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JayBespoke
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   Posted 1/6/2011 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
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wearyRAsufferer
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   Posted 1/7/2011 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Jay-
 
I got so busy I didn't get to reply to your last post so I will do it all here.
 
I never heard of this patch so let us know how it works. Is your pain more from your fibro?
I never need anything to sleep- fatigue is my middle name but I know people who use over the counter melatonin here and they say it helps so I hope it helps you.
 
How exciting about your interviews and possible relocation to Germany! Have you heard any news?
 
I wish you all the best on your exams- I know you'll come out with flying colors! You are a very intelligent young man and you are going to go far in life.
 
Hope you are feeling well.

golitho
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   Posted 1/8/2011 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Jay, this is the patch I was on. It took a little while to fully build up in my system but it has some sort of blockers in it to stop addiction so if or when you need to come off it, its not a problem. The negative of the blockers is if you need BT meds like endone etc, they are blocked from working!!! I even found myself spinning out a bit on codeine.. But for that every day background pain it was good.
I managed to fully work and drive on it too.
Hope it helps.
One of my friends forewarned me that in some people it can have a neurological side effect of depression??? Anyway, didn't affect me that way but be weary of that one.
Glad you finally got a PM doctor, they made a great difference to me.
Best wishes for the new year, golitho

JayBespoke
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   Posted 1/9/2011 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,

Weary, I'll find out officially at some point this week now everyone is back at work, nervous!

Golitho, I've not heard about these blockers, sounds interesting - only chem I'm aware of with this property is naloxone, but there's no ingredient listings on my patches. I'm using tramadol for BT pain at the moment, but I think long term I will end up on Oxycontin - I have a lot of years ahead of me though, so I don't want to end up on the stronger opiates so soon or I'll run out of options!

Thanks

Post Edited (JayBespoke) : 11/7/2011 12:16:18 PM (GMT-7)


JayBespoke
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   Posted 1/9/2011 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
golitho - Just been doing some research on this opiate-blocking with Butrans patches, apparantely it's not something added but a natural effect of Buprenorphine, it binds so strongly to the opioid receptors that other opiate drugs don't get chance to bind to as many receptors. I guess this effect is more pronounced at higher doses, and I guess Tramadol is less susceptible to this because of it's low u-opioid affinity - Tramadol doesn't metabolise to morphine like many opioids.

I guess codeine doesn't compete for many receptors either because it's relatively weak - interesting thought about Oxycodone though. On the plus side, butrans patches are difficult to become addicted too and rarely cause withdrawal, apparently.

take care
www.JamesAButler.co.uk
21, Male, England.
Dx: Psoriatic Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Dyspraxia
Rx: 50mg Etanercept (Enbrel) Sub-Cut Injection, 50mg Amitriptyline

Oh, and plenty of Soma, Tramadol, Dihydrocodeine, Domperidone, Hydroxyzine, Acet- I think it might be quicker if I list the meds I don't take.

golitho
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   Posted 1/9/2011 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
The other negative or the stronger doses are bigger patches and I developed a rash to them. So make sure you move them around to new sites all the time and really wash the old patch off well. It must be the adhesive in the glue?
The other patch I was on (Diurgesic) I was less allergic too. It took a few weeks to fully realise the good effects too. You'll really notice them after a month, it seems to slowly build up in your system.
Hope you tolerate them, golitho

golitho
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   Posted 1/10/2011 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah heat can increase your absorbancy. I found the hot Aussie summer would make me spin occassionally. I kept havng cool showers to try and keep my body temp down.
But its amazing how you do adjust to it.
I found both patches worked equally well, but I developed migraines while on the fentenyl. Could have been coincidental?
I was severly stressed, moving house, throwing a party, overseas visitors etc...
All that snow I didn't think you'rd be getting too hot?
Best regards Golitho

golitho
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   Posted 1/11/2011 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I found on the middle range patch after acouple of months I would need cat naps. I would teach a morning class then need a small nap to be able to recharge for the afternnon.
It will be interesting to see if it has a similar affect on you.
It seems to build up very slowly in your system, I ended up dropping to a slightly lower dose, more pain but more awake.
I was in such a mess at that stage, they were brilliant, kept me in work and coping day to day.
best wishes, golitho

spinal soldier
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   Posted 1/11/2011 8:47 PM (GMT -6)   
the codiene will not work in the presence of even a very low dose of buprenorphine. codiene is a full opioid agonist unlike tramadol. one good breakthrough pain option while using the patch is the sublingual suboxone or subutex (buprenorphine), i think it comes in 2mg and 8mg. buprenorphine is a mixed opioid agonist/antagonist but it is still very potent; 0.3mg = 10mg of morphine
L4,L5,S1 bilateral Laminectomies, Foraminotomies 2002
L4-S1 PLIF with instumentation 2008,

current Rx: OxyContin 80mg q8hrs. , MSIR 30mg prn qid,vistaril50mg prn nausea, Lyrica 150mg 2x,Adderall 20mgs 1x A.M. 10mg PM prn, Soma 350 mg 3X, Relafen 1000mg 1x, lorazepam 1mg bid prn, Supplements: CO-Q10 100mg, Vitamin D 2000IU, Fish-Oil1000mg EFA, B-Complex50 3x/day, GABA 750mg,

JayBespoke
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   Posted 1/12/2011 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, yes I am concerned that as I increase the Buprenorphine I cannot use Codeine and other opioid agonists as they won't work - and I think I'm going to ask my doctor for 2mg subutexes for BT/flare with 10 then 15mcg/hr patches, but I'm not sure I'll get the sub-linguals as he tends to shy away from prescribing anything.
www.JamesAButler.co.uk
21, Male, England.
Dx: Psoriatic Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Dyspraxia
Rx: 50mg Etanercept (Enbrel) Sub-Cut Injection, 50mg Amitriptyline, 5mg Buprenorphine Patch (titrating)

Oh, and plenty of Soma, Tramadol, Dihydrocodeine, Domperidone, Hydroxyzine, Acet- I think it might be quicker if I list the meds I don't take.

MELttdown
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   Posted 1/13/2011 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I will be very interested to hear how the melatonin goes for you... if you do in fact get it.

I am so darn fatigued but sleep is something that escapes me more often than not and I dread going to bed most nights. Falling asleep is just like a second job and the amount of times I awake during the night .... well, let's just say it's not pleasant.

I am particularly interested as melatonin was suggested to me by my doc at my last visit. He said they're relatively new (so I'm assuming that means they're relatively new to aus?) which meant he didn't have any decent patient feedback. As I have kids at home (summer holidays) I needed a solution that WOULD work, not something that MIGHT work, so he prescribed temazapam. I admit my sleep has improved a little, but nowhere near where it needs to be, and I know my doc has said this drug is to be very temporary (6 - 8 weeks).

spinal soldier
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   Posted 1/13/2011 5:05 PM (GMT -6)   
melatonin is also about the most powerful anti-oxidents ever identified, so it can prevent or treat many diseases.
L4,L5,S1 bilateral Laminectomies, Foraminotomies 2002
L4-S1 PLIF with instumentation 2008,

current Rx: OxyContin 80mg q8hrs. , MSIR 30mg prn qid,vistaril50mg prn nausea, Lyrica 150mg 2x,Adderall 20mgs 1x A.M. 10mg PM prn, Soma 350 mg 3X, Relafen 1000mg 1x, lorazepam 1mg bid prn, Supplements: CO-Q10 100mg, Vitamin D 2000IU, Fish-Oil1000mg EFA, B-Complex50 3x/day, GABA 750mg,

JohninVA
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   Posted 3/3/2011 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone!
New Member; just reading this thread because my Dr prescribed me these patches as a possible change over for Vicodin.  I'm on 2 ES V 4 x a day, which is a lot because I've been taking them for years because of ruptured disks, spinal stenosis and sciatica.  He was (is) hoping to see if the patches work instead of the V.  I have taken Oxy's and came off them really quick; although the worked awesome for pain, I felt that addiction coming on and had about a 7 day rehab just for being on them for about 4 months.  Percocet doesn't really work either so he never prescribes those.
 
I just mentioned this because I'm a little concerned reading the post that I'm starting on 15mcg patches, so that seems a little strong to start - didn't even know they made 5's.  They were going to go 10 but the dr said no, 15s.  Waiting on them to come in at the drug store today; I will try to see how they work after 2-4 days.  My general pain is all the time, not high very low...but then in the afternoons and first in the morning it's intense.
 
He advised me to keep taking the Vs while on the patches, he actually said they shouldn't cause any disiness - from your postings I can see the BT patches themselves may give me some disiness.  I'm kind of prone to that with just the V's.  I guess anything like Oxy's or BT (morphine's) works well for me because I've never had them.  My concern is that I recently had surgery and I had told them that the stronger stuff knocks me out - and it did - they had trouble waking me from what they had given me (I guess assuming I needed a lot to be knocked out although anethesthia is different) - from a recent surgery that I was only under for about 45 mins for.
 
Look forward to more postings!

Post Edited (JohninVA) : 3/3/2011 9:30:09 AM (GMT-7)


dc0855
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   Posted 5/23/2011 4:03 AM (GMT -6)   
hello, i have had chronic shoulder pain for the last 3 years with 4 surgeries. I am an active duty militant in the United States Marine Corps so it is extremely important that i find some system of pain relief that still allows me to do my job as i do not intend on getting out is i have a choice. I, like many other chronic pain sufferers have gone from tramadol to vicodin to perocet to morphine sulfate. i finally was able to get transfered to be able to see a pain specialist 3days ago. i was excited cuz i wanted to search options that didnt require me to take pills. he prescribed me 10mg butrans patches with 5/325 norco for b/t pain. Its been a full 3 days on the patch and have not noticed any relief in pain but started having withdrawal symptoms...what do i need to do!!!

couchtater
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   Posted 5/23/2011 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried physical therapy?
Joy

Chartreux
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   Posted 5/23/2011 7:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Jay,
I was on a patch but the heat here in Texas, well it made me very sick so I don't
use a patch anymore...now, the melatonin well, my pain management doc said
I could use up to 15 mgs if needed, but I find that 1 and 1/2 mgs works
good, so try it in small increments to find what will helps...
Here in the states 1mg ; (100) of Source Naturals/Orange Flavored sublingual Melatonin costs
about $8.50 USD...I like this one it's easier for me to have sublingual...
How's School any info yet??? Keep us posted on that...well wishes
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Chartreux
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   Posted 5/25/2011 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Jay, you doing okay...worried about you...
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Tink22
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   Posted 9/10/2011 10:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello,
 
I am new to this forum and have a question about the Butrans Patch. 
 
I am to start the Butrans Patch soon and am concerned.
 
I get really hot at night and sweat a great deal as of lately and am wondering if the patch is going to make me really sick?  My pain doctor said not to worry, but I think he's playing it down a lot.
 
Any thoughts?
 
 
 
 
(Ulitmately I guess I wont know until I try sadly....)  :/

Chartreux
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   Posted 9/12/2011 8:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey there Tink,
hope you don't mind if I ask you to start a new thread and introduce your self a little,
best place for your post might be in the Chronic Pain Forum, as a lot more people
use the patches and know how to make them stick better ect...
nice to meet you but sure wish it was under better circumstanses than chronic pain.
this is a good forum you found and we usually have chronic pain chat nights on Thursday
nights...my CP (chronic Pain) was caused by a car accident many years ago, doc at the
time said I had sprained the whole left side of my spine...but enough about me...
yes there is a connection with heat and some patches...but if you ask this in the CP forum you might get a better response..
many well wishes and keep us posted on how your doing we do care...
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Tink22
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   Posted 9/12/2011 3:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay thank you.
 
Nice to meet you.

inpain66
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   Posted 1/8/2012 7:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Butran Patch is addictive and you will have withdrawals for about 2 weeks after use was on it a year

Tink22
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   Posted 1/10/2012 2:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so much for your repy.
 
I ended up not being able to use it as it did not settle well with me.  To many side effects.
 
Thank you,
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