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heatmiser
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   Posted 6/16/2005 3:07 PM (GMT -7)   
My dr just started me on darvocet for my arthritis.  Has anyone else used this?  I have crohn's and can't take ibuprofen unfortunately.  Have already tried celebrex and bextra.  Just feeling a little concerned since darvocet is a narcotic. 
Lynne


fleabagcat
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   Posted 6/16/2005 5:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,  I am new to forum but I will give you what I know about use of Davocet. It is realatively safe. I was on it for eight or nine years and it made my pain bearable until recently was put on something stronger.  I do remember when I first took it, it made me very drowsy but over a two week
period I started to adjust to it. Do not drive on it. I never did.  I was given
up to four a day and only took what was needed. Also some people get a mild upset stomach, try a eating few Ritz crackers to have something in your stomach. Yes, it is a narcotic and you should discuss this with your
doctor.  I am past the point of worrying about that because I've had fibro
and osteoarthritis for 20 years and I have several herniated discs into
the cord. It just want to be confortable.  Hope this gives you some
insight. fleabagcat

heatmiser
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   Posted 6/16/2005 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Good to know you can take it long term like that because I know this pain is not going to go away. I think I took it years ago after gallbladder surgery and it knocked me out and made me a bit nauseous, but so far I'm doing ok. I've only taken 1 each day at this point but can take up to 4. Thanks for the info!
Lynne


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   Posted 6/16/2005 8:15 PM (GMT -7)   
hi there Lynne,
how are you? i started taking darvocet N 100 about 1.5 years ago for joint pain. went through the whole NSAIDS and vioxx and celebrex and mobic bextra thing as well. sometimes a narcotic is best. better than popping 8 or 9 advils each day. i hope you get relief. it gets me through some pain. growing tolerant though now. was on morphine this week for joint pain in hospital so tomorrow is my rheumy appt and we shall see what is next for pain meds. you should do fine on the darvocet, watch out for constipation (get plenty of veggies if appropriate and fluids!) if that provides some relief i think that is wonderful! no one should suffer.
keep us posted! looking forward to hearing from you!
erin

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   Posted 6/16/2005 8:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,I too have crohns and RA,OA and I take Lorcets for pain and I'am able to take four aday as well but like you I use them only when I have to have it.I have been on them for a year and a half.But they are getting to were they are not doing as good any moore guess that I have been on them to long.


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heatmiser
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   Posted 6/18/2005 7:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Erin~ wow morphine for your joint pain...it must be bad! What did your rheumy do to help you out? The constipation thing should actually be helpful with the crohn's disease. So far no problems.

Hi Mela~ I was looking up lorcets since I've never heard of them and it sounds like they are like vicodin. I think my hubby still has some so maybe he'll share on my bad days! I get the impression the darvocets aren't as strong. What a bummer to build up a tolerance to things that are working. Did you see a rheumy?
Lynne


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   Posted 6/20/2005 10:48 AM (GMT -7)   
hey Lynne,
doing ok on the darvocet? i hope so. the post above was right on...it took 2 years for me to build a tolerance to one tablet every 8 hours, some days not even needing any. but as you have probably read it hasn't been good this month here. hold onto that vicodin too! in case of emergency!!!!!!!!! yea, i had something going on, whether it was a severe RA systemic flare or reaction to a virus...but i got real bad real fast this past 3 weeks. was on solumedrol drip and morphine push every 45 minutes. pain is still terrible, but they gave me percocets and strong steroids for this week. even the morphine wore off in an hour it was so bad. i could only imagine how it is to break an arm or something. i hope the darvocets help with your bad pain days. it's always good to have on hand in case of severe pain in the joints, and when the advils and all don't cut it! has it been upsetting your stomach at all? much much luck. here's to better days to all!
erin

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   Posted 6/21/2005 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   
nono  Hey all, Just a word of caution on those Darvocet's, they are rated as second worst pain med to cause constipation. So if you are prone to that ,you might want to consider one of the other ones, or talk to doc about a daily supplement. yeah
 
Of course, it could be: What is worse:EXCRUIATING PAIN  or no go
 
 
Flopsie,
 
 
Lord, put your arms around my shoulder, and your hand over my mouth.

erin.K
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   Posted 6/21/2005 7:24 PM (GMT -7)   
are they really? i thought codeine was the biggy? the PLUGGER UPPER!! hee hee hee. hey flopsie: isn't it correct that at times they give codeine in the hospital to help stop profuse diarrhea? i was always regular while on darvocet for about up to 2 years...only recently i've been experiencing a little "side effect" but i think it's because i have to take 2 at a time rather than just the one.
when can we win eh?
later my friend,
erin

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   Posted 6/22/2005 11:51 AM (GMT -7)   
yeah  erin, you are quite right, the big C is listed as #1, but info I received from ABN listed DCN and Darvon compound as #2. Probably because they are "glorified aspirin" and you have to take such a large dosage to get maximum relief.
 
ttyl, flopsie
Don't walk in front of me..I may not follow
Don't walk behind me..I may not lead
Walk beside me and be my friend...
                                             Albert Carnus
 
and Lord, put your arm around my shoulders and your hand over my mouth.


heatmiser
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   Posted 6/22/2005 11:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Erin, wow, sounds like they've got you on some strong meds there. Is it helping? The darvocets seem to be helping me but it doesn't take away my pain. I've been feeling a little nauseous since late last night but I have no idea if it is the darvocet or just my crohn's.

This side effect of constipation is actually a good thing with the crohn's disease. But when hubby was on vicodin they gave him a stool softener because of the constipation it could cause. I'm guessing it must be the narcotic causing it? I've never noticed that tylenol cause it.
Lynne


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   Posted 6/23/2005 10:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Lynne, Constipation is a side effect of all narcotics. For most people it's a problem but for us Crohnies, it can be a real blessing.

I have been on every NSAID & Cox II except Vioxx & Indomethacin (they have high rates of GI bleeding). The only thing that I could tolerate was low doses (200mg) of Ibuprofen. Everything else tore up my gut. Now I'm taking Vicoprofen, which is Vicoin 7.5mg (hydrocodine) & I buprofen 200mg. So far, this combo seems to be working better than plain Vicodin. Lortab is the same as Vicodin, just a different brand name.

Just about the only narcotics that I haven't tried are Darvocet & MSContin. Vicodin, Codeine, & Percocet are all some form of derivative of Morphine. Somehow Darvocet is different. It's all in the chemical structure. I've been told by several people that it works well and I hope you are getting good relief from it.

On top of the Vicoprofen, I've also had several procedures at the Pain Clinic to help manage the pain and it's going very well. Although I still have pain and need the pills, it's not quite as bad as it had been. If you need more help, please find a good Pain Mgmt Doc to work with so that you can manage the pain without having to take so many meds that you are out of it.

Be well.
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erin.K
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   Posted 6/23/2005 10:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Lynne,
pretty much all opioids pain relievers unfortunatley have substances that cause constipation. that's why intestinal obstructions and GI problems are such a big deal with seniors especially in the hospitals....not only are they sick, in pain, and on bed rest....they are usually limited in mobility and a lot of times can't have high fiber or bulk diets and they get soooooooooooo constipated. it really is a double edged sword. and it's heartbeaking too.
so with your crohn's are you unable to take any NSAIDs at all? what came first? CD or arthritis. or did the CD trigger the arthritis? and then isn't there a special type of arthritis specific to CD?
i wish that there were more pain medicines for injection that totally bypass the stomach. i would be so game for that. have you tried lidoderm patches or any topicals yet? i've not any success with them, but they work sometimes for folks.
good talking to you!
erin

heatmiser
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   Posted 6/23/2005 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Erin, my docs tell me to stay away from all nsaids, but I cheat occasionally when I have bad headaches and so far nothing has happened. They think nsaids can cause a flare up so I need to avoid them. It's a shame too, since they work so well for me. :( The cd came first then the arthritis. At this point they are saying it's cd related arthritis but I haven't seen a rheumy or anything. All I've tried is celebrex, bextra, tylenol and now darvocet.

Keah, that's great that you can tolerate a low dose of ibuprofen. Someone on the cd board said their doc lets them have it and gives them prilosec to reduce the problems. What kinds of procedures have you had done at the pain clinic?
Lynne


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   Posted 6/24/2005 8:42 PM (GMT -7)   
My husband has been on Darvocets for years and I know the man cannot be getting any relief. He has just been on them to dang long. He takes 3 at bedtime and has for years. He has poor circulation in his legs and has alot of pain. But he is stubborn, he will not ask the dr to switch him. I now think its in his head that they help, but who am I to rock the boat.
 
I am currently hooked to a tiny catheter in my spine that has an iv type line attached to a bottle thing in a bag that is releasing a total of 5cc's per hour of a mixture of morphine, fentanyl and klonopine and for the 1st time in over 20yrs I am pain free. My dr is trying to schedule having the intrathecal pain pump implanted next Wed. I have cd and osteo in all major joints, plus gi thinks I have cd arthritis as well. All I know is the pain flat became unbearable with a 50mg duragesic patch and 4 oxycodone a day. I was spending more time in bed than out of bed. The horrific knee pain is gone, but oh do I really realize how stiff my knees are and will still be using cane for balance. My knees are really a mess, not sure what the ortho will do next, we have talked about replacements, but my pain level was so high he said no way would he subject me to more pain. He wants to see how the pain pump works. I cannot tolerate a steroid of any kind so they are out of question. My PCP wanted to try me on Celebrex, gi said no.
 
I have been a challenge for the various drs I see to treat because all of the drugs that work good I cannot tolerate. I have asthma & copd, cd, 2 kinds of arthur and steroids are the best to get them under control. Years ago before I nearly had a stroke from steroids, my neurologist gave me injections of Decadron for pain and oh it worked so well. We did for 2 1/2yrs, when I got down and could not hardly get up, I was stroke line my BP was off the scales and I was already on 2 BP meds. These injections were given every 6 wks, I did not know I should not have had them past 6 wks per my pcp. He called my neurologist up and cussed him out in front of me screaming nasting names and asking him if he was trying to kill me. I was not allowed to go home & pack a bag, instead his nurse drove me across the street to the hospital.
 
I encourage anyone with chronic pain, or problems handling medications from either bad side effects or just plain allergic reactions to consult with a reputable paim mgt dr that knows about your type of disease. I am so fortunate to have one on my side. Keah, is also under the care of one and he has given her some help. Susie 


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   Posted 6/30/2005 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
mad   redface nono   Hello all,
 
Well you have heard the old saying 'WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND"? or vice bersa, can't remember...anyway, here I am on here telling ya'll how much I dislike DCN_100.  HaHa, to pain clinic this afternoon, guess what I came home with?  100 of them suckers...teach me to badmouth something..huh?    lololol
 
everyone have a great evening,
 
flopsie
Don't walk in front of me..I may not follow
Don't walk behind me..I may not lead
Walk beside me and be my friend...
                                             Albert Carnus
 
and Lord, put your arm around my shoulders and your hand over my mouth.

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