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Tom M.
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   Posted 11/28/2005 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Everyone.  I am a new Member (joined yesterday) and Susan was nice enough to welcome me abroad, but suggested that my hip pain maybe should be under 'arthritis' so here it is - maybe someone out there can direct me.  I am a 71 year old guy, who up until a few months ago was active in baseball and softball playing 130+ games this year, and 160+ last year.  However, in August/September my pain in the right hip became unbearable.  I wanted to get hyaluronic acid shots, but my xrays showed too little (or no) cartlidge in the ball and socket of the right hip.  So today I started physical therapy to help alleviate the pain and the limp.  The reason I am writing, is that I do NOT want to have hip surgery which two doctors (who do hip surgery) have said I needed.  I had team-mates who had the surgery and now they cannot move around or run or go side-to-side anymore.  Hence, my Memo has a 2-fold purpose:  First is there someone out there who HAS had the hip replacement AND can run etc?  Second, aside from the normal supplements (glucosamine, chondrotin, NSM, etc.) is there anything that is non-prescription or over the counter anti-inflamatory that has been successful with anyone?  I do NOT want to take prescription painkillers as they have too many side effects including really damaging one's stomach.  Any suggestions or experiences with this wopuld be appreciated.  Thank you.  regards....Tom

Ducky
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   Posted 11/29/2005 5:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning Tom -
 
I'm glad Susan welcomed you to the forum, I would like to welcome you to the Arthritis Forum.  There are a lot of people here that have the same problems that you do.  We also have a very good Moderator here, her name is Erin and she is also a very talented nurse.  She will be a long shortly and will be able to help you out more.  Glad to here that you are so active and want to stay that way!  I wish you the best of luck in all you do, and please keep us posted on your progress!  - Duck
Diagnosed January 2005 - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis
-Currently taking 50mg shot weekly of Enbrel

Diagnosed May 1998 - Graves Disease
-Complete Thyroidectomy September 1998 - While 11 weeks pregnant

Other Complications - GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes
 
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid
 
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots


erin.K
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   Posted 11/29/2005 6:34 AM (GMT -7)   
Goodmorning Tom & welcome to HW. 
I would first like to say, "Bravo" and applaud you for being so fit and athletic, it's very admirable!
So the right hip has little to no cartiladge, so we're dealing with Osteo Arthritis right?  The joint deterioration is from wear and tear.  Do you have any other rheumatic or arthritic condition?
 
Good move with starting PT.  Of course, surgeons are eager to cut and will push for hip replacement surgery.  I would however suggest, asking around to your friends and perhaps you will find an orthopedic who is conservative with surgery (some docs are not so "scalpel happy" and will maybe give you a different opinion.)
 
A buddy of mine is 54, male, basketball and runner who had bad hip pain, little cartiladge and a bad limp.  He had both hips done and DID continue to run afterwards and play ball....so, there is hope and remember that everyone is UNIQUE!  You may be very successful if you should ever have surgery done.
 
Okay, regarding treatments.  To add to your supplements: SamE improves joint function (and well being), fish oils such as Cor-Omega is great (I take that).  These can be bought at the drugstores OTC.  Nutri-Joint as well (but that's just like Gluc and Chond.)  Can also add gelatin to the diet as well as herbs such as tumeric, garlic, cumin which are good antiinflammatories.
Tylenol works well for pain and is easier on the stomach than NSAIDs.  But Tylenol can cause liver damage in high doses; in normal doses it is safe.
People have found chiropractics and acupuncture helpful (but that can be costly as not covered by insurance sometimes).
 
Pain can and will effect your quality of life and could keep you from doing the things you love.  Not all Rx narcotics have ill and undesirable effects.  One does tolerate them and the initial "drowsy" feeling lessens.
Prescription LidoDerm patches are excellent!  They are applied topically to a hurting area...ask your doc!!
 
The hips do take a beating over time unfortunateley. 
Remeber there is no rush to have surgery.  You're an athlete so you know your body well.
You'll make the right decisions Tom.
I hope this was of some help.
Have you been on steroids at all for the hip pain?  Seen a rheumatologist yet?
 
Take care Tom,
Erin

erin.K
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   Posted 11/29/2005 7:08 AM (GMT -7)   
I would also like to "CMA" (cover my A**) tongue by saying check with your doctor first before trying ANY new supplement, OTC med, and herbs or foods.
Even though something may say "Natural" and "Safe", it still can interfere with meds you currently take.
Especially blood thinners like Coumadin and BP meds...be careful with VitaminE, garlic, green veggies and fish oils for they may thin the blood further.  NSAIDs may do the same.
 
Play it safe.
Talk to your doc!
 
Sincerely,
Erin 

oreo
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   Posted 11/29/2005 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Tom, welcome!!!!

It is great that you are still very active at your age. (not meant as a slight at your age :-)) I work in a long-term care facility and see many, many people younger then you who's bodies have not faired as well. May you have many more years of activity ahead of you.
Just a thought here... and the others can feel free to jump in and add their two cents..... is there an injection available that adds "lubrication" to the joints? I vaguely remember reading something about it but don't remember if it was still in trial or on the market. Anyone?
I have quite a few residents that have had total hip replacements. Some are still active and others are not. It is all individual. It also has alot to do with the activity level afterwards too. A lot of people who have hip replacement surgery don't get up and into PT as fast as they should. In the home we encourage people to start "bearing weight" (not walking) within days of the surgery. It is very hard to do. The pain often makes people not want to. The fact is that you start loosing muscle mass within hours of inactivity, so imagine what happens after a surgery like this if you don't get into the PT fast enough. That is when a persons range-of-motion starts decreasing. If you wait for the pain to go away you will be behind the eight ball for a long time.
These are all thoughts to consider. There are often factors that work into a person's healing or lack there of. Look into all the options and decide what is best FOR YOU. None of us can tell you what to do. We can only arm you with our knowledge or point you to the place to find it.
Best of luck. I'll be praying for you. Keep posting and let us know how you are making out.
Oreo
God will never give us more then we can handle, I just wish that God didn't trust me so much.
 
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Tom M.
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   Posted 11/30/2005 10:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear Erin, Ducky and Oreo - - Thank you so much for your input - - it is greatly appreciated.  This is my first time at this kind of communication and your comments were all helpful and encouraging.  I had my second PT today and Och!  Did it hurt!  Even though I played baseball and softball for 58 straight years, I do NOT consider myself an athlete.  I have NEVER done any exercise, etc.  Most of my teammates on the 4 softball teams and 2 baseball teams I play on, always ask me how much "workout" I do a day, and they are amazed when I say "none."  I have always been blessesd with good health (first time in hospital was at 68 to have 4-part bypass, and within 3 months I was slidding into second base!).  The shots I wanted were hyaloronic acid which is what cartlidge is made of.  If I could get those shots they actually help the condition and not just mask symptoms.  I take a lot of vits and supplements including Omega 3s, and I was telling Susan that the only thing that does relieve a lot of the pain in the hip is a product I just started using a month ago called WobezymN.  It is an enzyme that is anti-inflammatory and it worked on me.  I buy it off the Internet - there are many companies who carry it.  I say that as there must be many other arthritis sufferers out there who are in pain.  Thank you also for mentioning acupuncture.  I am going to look into that also.  My PT person said that some of his patients have gotten relief from acupuncture.  At this stage I am ready to try anything, as sometimes I can hardly walk from the pain!  Again, thank you for your input and your concern.  It is encouraging.  Regards...Tom M.

oreo
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   Posted 12/2/2005 9:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Keep trying to find what works for you Tom. You sound as though you are a person that once you set your mind on something you don't give up until you achieve it. Keep it up!!! Those injections are what I was thinking about. Can you receive them or are the Dr's trying to talk you out of it? Do you have to have a little cartilidge for the med to work? I don't know too much about it. Keep up with the PT. It may hurt but should help in the long run.
Tom, have you ever tried hydrotherapy? (pool PT) It helps to build up the muscle mass and ROM using the resistance from the water. It is also good because it takes away the weight bearing load from the joints while still working the muscles. I have known people who have sworn by hydrotherapy over conventional PT.
Keep us informed on how things are going.
Oreo
God will never give us more then we can handle, I just wish that God didn't trust me so much.
 
Remember healing comes one step at a time, sometimes it seems that its two steps forward and one step back, but ultimately, always in a forward direction!!!
 
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Ducky
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   Posted 12/2/2005 2:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Tom, how are you feeling? Have you looked into the acupuncture yet?
Diagnosed January 2005 - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis
-Currently taking 50mg shot weekly of Enbrel

Diagnosed May 1998 - Graves Disease
-Complete Thyroidectomy September 1998 - While 11 weeks pregnant

Other Complications - GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes
 
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid
 
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots


Tom M.
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   Posted 12/2/2005 6:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear Erin, Ducky and Oreo - - Thanks once again for your helpful and encouraging comments.  Let me address your questions individually.   First Erin - -  You asked do I have osteoarthritis? The two guys with the knives (aka the surgeons I went to) along with the crowd that took the xrays of my hip and also MRI, say that I have Degenerative Arthritis of the Right Hip.  Yes, I also take Omega 3, and I take a liquid Gluco, MSM, Chondroitin plus tumeric, CoQ10, curcumin, and a host of other supplements (about 20 different ones) as I have always taken vits and minerals since I was in my twenties!  Even now, the only prescription med I take is clonidine as I have high blood pressure (just the top number) the bottom number is always in the 70's and my pulse is always in the 60's. As to your question on ever using steroids the answer is no.  I also NEVER took any of the "big league" anti-inflammatories like Celebrex and Vioxx, etc. as I knew they were lethal.  Also, I have always advised my teammates against cortizone because although it relieves the pain miraculously, one is only postponing a disaster that will be excellerated down-the-road, i.e., cortizone causes on its own the dibilitation of bone, etc.  What a nightmare that cortisone is! I think that covers your questions, and thanks again for your thoughfulness.
 
Hello Oreo - - As to your questions, no I have never tried hydro therapy, but I have heard it is extremely good for all the reasons you mentioned.  Thank you for that.  In the Spring I am moving to a new home being built in an over 55 community that has an indoor and outdoor pool, etc. and I will look into that at that time.  As to the hylaronic acid shots, yes they put the needle right into the cartlidge between the ball and the joint of your hip.  Since the cartlidge is made up of that hylaronic acid (and the acid is "sticky") it stays in the cartlidge to provide lubrication and cushio and acutally helps rebuilds it.  My most recent guy said there was 'bone on bone' hence he couldn't do it - - but said to call him back when I want the replacement hip! (haha).   Thanks again for your note.
 
Hello Ducky - - How am I feeling?  Well pretty good.  The enzyme stuff I am taking is definitely releiving some of the pain, and I do beleieve that the PT will help me down-the-road.  I have NOT called an acupunturist yet, but I have found one that is only about 15 miles from my home, so I am going to give them a call on Monday and go see them when I get an appointment.
 
Again folks, thank you very much for your concern.  I appreciate it very much.  Hope all three of you have a great weekend.  I am going to a weekend retreat for 9th graders in our religious ed program at church, and I am only one of two male teachers out of 37, so they need me there for discipline purposes.  Although I am Tom M. all my life, I am secretly Capt. Bligh! (another haha).  Regards...Tom M. 
 

oreo
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   Posted 12/7/2005 8:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Tom, how did the retreat go? Did you have to play the heavy? :-) 9th Graders don't get into t-h-a-t much trouble. HaHa. Lead a youth group for a few years and I know ALL about retreats. Days are great, it's the nights that can prove interesting when they are more interested in chatting/playing practical jokes then sleeping. ;-) Did you survive? You are a very brave man to go on a youth retreat. I bet the kids love it though, right?

How are your hips these days? Is the PT offering any relief? You are never far from my prayers. Just wanted to let you know.

Oreo
God will never give us more then we can handle, I just wish that God didn't trust me so much.
 
Remember healing comes one step at a time, sometimes it seems that its two steps forward and one step back, but ultimately, always in a forward direction!!!
 
Help HealingWell continue to help people.  Please donate today.  Every little bit helps.  To donate go to www.healingwell.com/donate
 


Tom M.
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   Posted 12/7/2005 3:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Erin - - In one of your memos to me, you mentioned a friend of yours in his mid-50's who had BOTH hips replaced and is a runner!  Is it ok to give you my email address and ask that this fellow contact me?  I would love to talk to him, as my experience in talking to the few ball players who have had hip replacements, they CANNOT run - - as a matter of fact their doctors strongly advise against it etc.  Also, there is a fear of falling, as I am told if you do fall and break a hip there is no place left to insert the replacement piece.  I do NOT want to violate any rules of the chatroom, so please email back what I should do to contact this chap.  Thank you.  Regards...Tom M.

Tom M.
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   Posted 12/7/2005 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Oreo - - Thank you for your note.  Yes, I had a great time (the teacher always learns more than the pupil) and another "Yes" I had to be the guy that had to take one of the 9th grade wise guys out of the room and give him a down-and-dirty "tongue-lashing."  With raising 5 boys of my own under my belt, I pretty much have seen all there is to see with these guys!  All of us (including this kid) had a great time.  In all seriousness, I rather enjoy dealing with some of these guys who are out-of-line, as it is rewarding to see them down the road straighten out and become good citizens.  I feel THEY are the ones who really need the guidance - not the kids whose parents are in Church all the time and teach religious ed themselves. etc.  As to my hip I went for physical therapy again today, and I am coming along nicely.  These enzymes are also giving me relief, so I am not in constant pain anymore!  I will follow up with acupuncture shortly to see if that will help the pain. I hope I can be of help to others, as I have been an advocate of Surgery as a Last Resort, so maybe I can share some of my knowledge to help others.  I am sure the high-energy I have at my age (no one could keep up with me
 before my hip problem) is due to the various vits and minerals and supplements I have taken over the years. (Plus just through sheer luck, I do not like the taste of liquor nor the taste of tobacco (otherwise I would probably be a 2 to 3 pack a day person and a heavy drinker, as I do everything else to excess.)  So-long for now, and thank you for thinking about me.  Regards...Tom M.

erin.K
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   Posted 12/7/2005 4:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Tom, I think you're GREAT!  You're such a good asset to HealingWell.  A true motivation and inspiration for many I'm sure, including myself.
You're making me reconsider taking up PT again.  Since I have medicaid maybe I can find a place that accepts it.  Or at least try to get back to the pool (even if I can't swim well right now, at least maybe paddle a bit).
 
The best to you.
 
Sincerely,
Erin

Tom M.
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   Posted 12/7/2005 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Erin - - Thanks for the kind words. How about that runner with the hip replacement? How can I reach him - - or he reach me? Please advise. Thanks. Regards...Tom M.

erin.K
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   Posted 12/7/2005 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
oh man! I haven't spoke to my buddy in over a year! (I do not go to the gym anymore, and I lost touch with many friends). But I do know by word of mouth that he's hittin' the gym and playing ball. You know what, the holidays are coming and we go to the same pub, I'm sure I'll see him. I'll see if he has email and I'll get a full report of how he's doing with his bionic hips! Will get back to you.
Erin

Chocolat
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   Posted 12/8/2005 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey Tom,

I'm a newbie here, but your post caught my eye right away.

I have found something that has helped me in amazing ways.  In fact, I do not even have hip pain anymore.

It's called "Traumeel".   It's a homepathic med and you can buy it on the internet in many different places.  Just make sure it's the HEEL brand.

I could barely lay on either side from sciatica too, and it has healed that.

I've never taken any ANTIFLAMMATORY that worked like this stuff does.  It is like an antiflammatory without ANY side affects.

You can do a google search and learn all you need to about it. It has changed my life and many, many others.

Blessings, Chocolat yeah


Tom M.
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   Posted 12/8/2005 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Chocolat - - Thanks for that info!  I had heard of taumeel a couple of years ago, but forgot all about looking it up, etc.  I just now went up on Google to look where I could get it, and I only got 12 responses - 11 of which were in German and the other was just talking about it - no way to order.  I'll keep searching.  Thanks again.  And glad to hear you are pain-free.  Regards...Tom M.

Tom M.
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   Posted 12/8/2005 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Chocolat - - Oooooooops!!!  I found out I was spelling it wrong!  See what happens when you get old?  Three things:  One, you start forgetting, and...Two....er...I forgot what the other two are....(haha)  Again, thanks for the help and I found a lot of places that have it.  Regards...Tom M.

erin.K
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   Posted 12/8/2005 11:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Hah!  Tom, you are one funny fellow.  Hopefully you found some info written other than German.  Darn...should have paid attention in "German Club" in highschool.  Shucks!
 
Welcome CHOCOLAT!  Glad to have you here at HealingWell.  So what is this Traumeel?  An elixir? Pill?  What was your experience on it and how did it help?  Are you interested in homeopathy?  I'm curious to hear your story, please share!
{{Just remember that when posting responses, we can't advertise/solicit products...but if you're interested in posting a link, you have to clear it with Peter at admin. and he'll inform you how to do it.}}
 
Looking forward to hearing from you Chocolat!  Again, welcome.
Oh, do you have OA of the hips too?
 
Sincerely,
Erin 

Ducky
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   Posted 12/8/2005 5:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Welcome Chocolat! Hope to see you around...
Diagnosed January 2005 - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis
-Currently taking 50mg shot weekly of Enbrel

Diagnosed May 1998 - Graves Disease
-Complete Thyroidectomy September 1998 - While 11 weeks pregnant

Other Complications - GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes
 
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid
 
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots


Tom M.
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   Posted 12/8/2005 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Chocolat - - I found the Traumeel. I notice there arte the tablets and the creme. Did you get relief by using the tablets? The creme? or both? Please advise so I know which to order - or both! Also, what was your "time frame" for relief? Thanks again for your help. Regards...Tom M

Chocolat
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   Posted 12/9/2005 11:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I have Fibromyalgia and Severe Arthritis.
 
I got the sublingual tablets.   Results :   IMMEDIATE
 
There was a letting go of tense muscles, and the pain was better immediately too.   Almost as soon as the thing disolved actually.
 
The hip pain was much better in a week, in two it was gone.
 
Many of my fibro folks on another board have used it ...MOST with the same results.   about 95%    They say only a few folks aren't helped with homepathic methods.
 
I can't say enough good things about it.  I could barely walk..or lay on either side from sciatica.  All of that is much better and the hip pain is gone.
 
I take 2 a day but you can take 3. 
 
SIDE BENEFIT:   ENERGY
Blessings, Chocolat <><
 
"Life must be lived forward, unfortunately, it can only be understood backwards".
 
Chronic Fatigue - 26 years
Fibro- 18 years (and all that goes with it)
Arthritis - 10 years
Facet Joint Syndrome - 3 years
DDD - 3 years
and the list goes on......


Tom M.
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   Posted 12/9/2005 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Chocolat - - Thanks for the info. I am going to order the sublingual tablets. I will keep you posted as to my success with them! I am glad for you that you are pain-free with them, as chronic pain can really tire you out! I'm sure it played a big part in your chronic fatigue. Fortunately, I only started getting this hip pain several years ago, but foolishly I let it go, and now it is horrendous! That is why I posted a remeinder to folks out there who have pain (say in their hip or any other place for that matter) to right away start doing something to relieve the pain, otherwise your options for correction of the problem diminish with time. Thanks again for your help and continued good luck with YOUR pain! Regards...Tom M.

Chocolat
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   Posted 12/9/2005 2:16 PM (GMT -7)   
I can't wait to hear back from you TOM. Best wishes with it...I think it will help you, I really do.

AND you are sooooooo right.......get the pain nipped in the bud before it's out of control.

This is certainly the best STUFF I have ever used for anything health wise.

Keep me posted.
Blessings, Chocolat <><
 
"Life must be lived forward, unfortunately, it can only be understood backwards".
 
Chronic Fatigue - 26 years
Fibro- 18 years (and all that goes with it)
Arthritis - 10 years
Facet Joint Syndrome - 3 years
DDD - 3 years
and the list goes on......


erin.K
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   Posted 12/10/2005 9:15 AM (GMT -7)   

Can this be used for RA?  as well as OA?

Thanks,

Erin

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