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hope4me2
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   Posted 7/30/2006 3:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I am new here. I am 48 years old and just had my second orthoscopic knee surgery, First one was in 1999 and now second one 2 weeks ago. I had a torn menicus this time and they clean up my knee of arthritis the best they could. The doctor said it is worse this time. He says it is really bad and that he has never seen arthritis this bad in someone my age. I am now in Physical Therapy 3 times a week but I still feel the same pain of bone against bone. He said said in some spots in my joint that is what it is. But my PT says he can get it feeling better. confused I asked him why my doctor is not mentioning knee replacement and he said because they like to prolong it. Well I have been suffering from this knee pain since the last surgery, I do not know if this time will make any difference.
 
Has anyone my age had knee replacement before? I am on an antiflamitory called Voltarin 50 MG of it and he also has me taking 2000 mg of Gulcosmine. But I am still in pain though and if I am on my knee any length of time it swells like crazy and that is what it did before the surgery too. I am hating this and it is depressing. eyes

Ducky
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   Posted 7/30/2006 3:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey there hope... welcome to the boards! I have not had knee replacement surgery but there are a few people here that have... I'm sure they will be along shortly to chime in... From what I've heard, a lot of doc's like to use knee replacement surgery as a last resort... it sounds like your doc wants to see how you do on the PT first... Do you have RA? OA? I have been on Voltaren before, it wasn't too effective for me. I am 33 and have PA (Psoriatic Arthritis) it effects every joint from my hips down.. hips, knees, ankles, feet and toes... as well as my spine.. and every once in a while, my left wrist. I went through NSAIDS like they were candy and was on darn near every one before I went on Enbrel... Have you tried using ice to help with the swelling? Heating pads work also to ease some of the pain... I wish you much luck and pain free days... I hope you decide to stick around with us and keep us posted on your progres... Big hugs.. Duck
Confirmed Diagnosis of - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis/Graves Disease/GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes/Chronic UTIs
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid/Nitrofurantoin
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots
Additional Supplements - Multi-Vitamin/Bromelian/Acidophilus/Green Tea

hope4me2
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   Posted 7/30/2006 4:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the warm welcome. I have OA and it is bad he says. I do not want to even think about shots in my knees...getting them before the surgery to have a knee and leg block was enough...do not think I could handle shots in the knee at all....thanks ~Hope~

hope4me2
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   Posted 7/30/2006 5:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Also my knee is stiff and after sitting for awhile I can't hardly walk on it...so still using crutches. It is better then the limp I had before surgery, the crutches help a lot but do not like the attention it draws to me. Just so glad I found this place to talk about how I feel.
Cannot wait to hear from others here at the forum.
~~Hope~~
 
 
 
Diagnosis--OA in left knee
                (1st surgery 1999, 2nd surgery 2006)
Both surgeries were to repair a torn menicus and clean up as much arthritis as possible. This last time Dr said to much arthristis and not much menicus left in the joint for someone my age (48)
                  "Currently in PT but still feeling bone against bone"
Thyroid--Levoxyl
Bipolar Meds- Zoloft, Xanax, Serequel, Trazodone, Lamictal
Arthritis- Voltaren, Glucosamine
Other Supplements- Fibercon, Multivamin, Vitamin E, Vitamin C,
 
 
 


erin.K
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   Posted 7/30/2006 10:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear hope,
So glad that you have found HealingWell!  Our forum here has tons of people with all sorts of arthritis, rheumatic & autoimmune conditions.  One thing is for sure...empathy and understanding you'll get a lot of! :-)
I have a question.  What brought on the OA of the knees for you?  I am hating tonite just thinking about how docs, SSI, and DIS throw in peole's faces their AGE!  mad HELLO...disease and illness does not infortunatley discriminate against age.  Was is injury, athletics, trauma?  When did you realize the beginnings of it?
{{{{{{{{{{{{  big hug  }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}  Sufferring and waiting are the worst things in the world.  sad Personally I am sick of it myself too!
 
A total knee replacement would be so wonderful for you!  It's like 50 is the magic number for TKRs.  And even 50 year olds get the run around too.
If this is the "worst case of bone on bone" your doc has seen...I would think that would bump ya up on the totem pole a bit.
Gosh, it makes so much sense to have the knee replacement.
How many opinions have you sought?  In many instances, in a a severe case where TKR is inevitable finding an orthopeadic surgeon that's  devil scalpal happy devil is a great thing to come upon!
Have you any MD or surgeon that is really pushing for you and advocating your case?  If you seek a 2nd and 3rd consult with a surgeon or knee specialist maybe someone will get things going and this can be done sooner.
 
Ah, no way PT will make things much better.  No way for a PT to put fluid and cartiladge in your sockets! All PT is doing is keeping the blood flowing, strengthening the supporting ligaments, muscles & tendons so overall it will help make walking easier on that knee.
Some other supplements maybe think about adding if ok are: gelatin (Knox Gelatin); a higher dose of Glucosamine and chondroiten with MSN; SAM-E; and Cor-Omega Fish Oil.  All adds in the hopes of building back some of the cushy stuff.
 
Are you happy with your pain management?  Can you take Tylenol along with your meds?  There is a topical RX pain patch that I find actually HELPS knee pain!  They're called LidoDerm Patches and you apply them to the knee and can keep them on for 12 hours straight and even wrap an ACE bandage to support the knee (so ya have pain reliever plus compression and support).  It basically numbs the area, pretty good.
 
Yikes, I know what ya mean about the joint injections! They are NOT PLEASANT!  Then again, it's not the worst thing in the world neither (I've found that EARLY ICE is key to swelling and bad pain after the shots).  There is SYNVISC and a slew of lubricating synthetic for the knee joint via injection.  It may benefit you in the meantime.
So what's your next step?
 
I wish you the best and QUICK intervention. Hate to hear of someone sufferring.
Sincerely,
erin 


Active/Severe Rheumatory Arthritis. Crohns. AS. Chiari Malformation & Right Brain venous anomoly. Partial complex seizures. Emphysema. Rheumatic Lung & Heart. MVP and Tricuspid prolapse. Had Lymes disease for 10 years.
Meds: Humira 40mg Q 4 days; Prednisone 20mg; Pentasa 4G daily; Imuran 50mg; Dilaudid 4mg; Diazepam 5mg; Avinza 60mg; Reglan; Antivert 25mg tid; LidoDerm; MiraLax & too many others.

Post Edited (erin kachmar) : 7/31/2006 12:08:29 AM (GMT-6)


deb in indiana
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Date Joined Aug 2005
Total Posts : 387
   Posted 7/31/2006 7:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi iam Deb i was told at 48 i needed a k/replacement i agree with Erin when its bone on bone a lot of the things won't help at least thats what i have been told and believe me i have had 3th,4th, opions i was to get mine done 2 years ago but blood pressure was to high and out of the blue hubby's insurance changed 1 month later and all these other doctors agree iam to young so i got a injection and losing more weight and iam on mtx now and i haven't felt this good in 15 years i went to a rumy cause i just couldn't go any more i was tired of feeling like 80 so the new rumy and new pain doctor got me on the right road and i feel blessed every day iam 85% pain free i go and get blood work in the morning and see rumy also all the other doctors say the life of the k/replacement is 10 years if i go back to work or 15 at the most if i don't thats why they want to wait i just turned 50 so iam waiting it out take care  and i know how it is DEB

hope4me2
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Date Joined Jul 2006
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   Posted 7/31/2006 8:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Erin,
:-)  My arthritis is not due to sports when I was younger it was from a bike accident which I banged my knee bad and was laid up for awhile then a year or two later I ran and fell knee first on same knee yes and it swelled up bad and I had an infection set in and they had to clean it out and take gravel out...both times with bike and ice....then about 6 years later I was in an accident with my step mom...my head hit the windshield and my knee yes the same one banged into the dashboard and it swelled big time and I was on cructhes for awhile...nothing since then so I figured it has to be from all that abuse.
My other knee aches too but only had one accident on bike with it.
The one I had surgery on is still hurting...achy bad if I have been on it a lot and after PT...feels like a dull ache inside when I sit down. Sometimes makes it hard to sleep. Taking Vicatin for the pain, I take one pill every 4 to 6 hours but it does not help any..I take percocet at bedtime if it gets too bad. This bone on bone SUCKS ..when I walk I use one crutch now and lean on it a lot. My knee has been doing a lot of popping too....is this normal with OA or after surgery? The pops hurt. When I sit for any length of time it is stiff and hard to walk...it hurts and I almost loose my balance a few times now...UGH eyes
Deb,
:-)  I see my doctor again Aug 15th and if it is not any better by then going to see what other options I have. Do you mind me asking what you mean by rumy? and do you go to two doctors one for pain meds and the other is a rumy? Why do you have to get blood work done? Did it hurt when you got the injection in your knee and did it help, if so for how long?
So sorry for all the questions...just nice to have someone to talk to that really understands and feels my pain.
Thanks


                                         ~~Hope~~
 
 Diagnosis--OA in left knee
                (1st surgery 1999, 2nd surgery 2006)
Both surgeries were to repair a torn menicus and clean up as much arthritis as possible. This last time Dr said to much arthristis and not much menicus left in the joint for someone my age (48)
                  "Currently in PT but still feeling bone against bone"
Thyroid--LevoxyL
Bipolar Meds- Zoloft/Xanax/Serequel/ Trazodone/ Lamictal
Arthritis- Voltaren, Glucosamine
Other Supplements- Fibercon/ Multivamin/ Vitamin E/ Vitamin C
 
 
 

Post Edited (hope4me2) : 7/31/2006 9:30:34 PM (GMT-6)


deejane
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Date Joined May 2006
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   Posted 7/31/2006 10:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi!  I'm so sorry you have to deal with all of this.  It seems the medical community settles on the age of 50 for some things and does not budge!!!  Well, I have had one total knee replacement on my right knee and I was 49 (surprise, surprise!)  I guess someone read my age wrong.  But, it has been one of the best things I have EVER done!!!  It is remarkable the recovering, healing time, and what I am able to do one year later.  I can do so many more things that I thought were gone forever!!  Now, I'm not looking at great athletic feats but walking up and down the stairs and the simple act of walking is such a blessing!!!
 
I've had SEVEN knee surgeries on my left knee because at 43 the docs wouldnt even consider a replacement.   So. I finally went for a total knee reconstruction called  a high tibial osteotomy - excrutiatingly painul!!!!!!  It was also a long recovery time....almost a year.  Ten years later  I am looking for a time to have a knee replacement on that knee finallly.  I am now 51 years old.  I had all the shots and knee joint fluid injections in that knee and I didn't like all that stuff.  It just hurts too much for what you actually gets and how long it actually lasts!  If you have a choice, and it sure sounds like you should, go foro the "good stuff".   Recovery will take a little longer but you'll be on your feet before you know it and you'll feel good much quicker!  Please email me if you'd like to talk more -- deborahstahl@hotmail.com.    All the best to you!  Hang in there.  Many of us do Actually FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!!
deejane
 
Current DX:  psoriatic arthritis/rheumatoid arthritis/spondylitis/fibromyalgia, CD, carpal tunnel, degenerative disc disorder, nerve damage, high blood pressure
Current meds:  Remicade 400 mg. every 5-6 weeks, methotrexate, celebrex, lortab, folic acid,
flexeril, topamax, toprol XL, lortab 10-500
Previous meds:  Enbrel, humira, bextra, vioxx


erin.K
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   Posted 8/1/2006 11:37 AM (GMT -7)   
hey there *hope*,
ah i see now.  that's some major trauma to that knee!  infection too...wow.  well hon, that'll do it!  how awful.  like deejane said..."we do feel your pain".
the "pop" noises you here:  this is a benign (normal for your condition) reaction.  MOST TIMES that is.  if there ever is a "POP" or snap with sharp, sudden, acute pain followed by severe swelling and inability to move your leg or if the knee "locks" and you can not bear any weigt on it at all...that's an emergency & one should go to the ER.  the meniscus or patella could be injured. it's a freak thing that happens sometimes. 
but the normal pops & cracks when bending, sitting up, or standing up comes from fluid or inflammation, and it's the noise of the material making up the knee capsule moving around or rubbing up against each other. ***crack your knuckles...it's the same proces****also the same thing goes on when you twist @ the waist, crack your back, neck and the bone crackin' the chiropractor does. so musical aren't we?
to answer your question about it being normal for OA and all? Yes. normal in the sense of it being expected to happen.
 
oh, a Rheummy is our pet-name for our Rheumatologists. tongue you'll see a "rumo" "rheummie-doc"  i praticularly like Aldo's name for his rheummy...what is it?...shoot can't think!  and some of our GI docs? well, they can be "Asstronauts". hah.
 
hey what about using both crutches? i'm on & off crutches for my knees as well (for RA) and after i get joint injections. it's hell on your back using 1 crutch (and 2 at that but at least we're balanced).
i really really wish you that TKR.  what a shame to make people wait...wait for what?  wait for things to get worse? wait to just be in pain? i don't get it.
write back soon!  and i'm so glad that you found HealingWell.  in fact, perhaps you'll get in contact with folks similar to you and they can guide you in how to fight for your TKR, ya know...who are the right MDs and surgeons to seek, who's the best peolpe to get in contact with and so on...
take good care hope,
erin
Active/Severe Rheumatory Arthritis. Crohns. AS. Chiari Malformation & Right Brain venous anomoly. Partial complex seizures. Emphysema. Rheumatic Lung & Heart. MVP and Tricuspid prolapse. Had Lymes disease for 10 years.
Meds: Humira 40mg Q 4 days; Prednisone 20mg; Pentasa 4G daily; Imuran 50mg; Dilaudid 4mg; Diazepam 5mg; Avinza 60mg; Reglan; Antivert 25mg tid; LidoDerm; MiraLax & too many others.


razzle51
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   Posted 8/11/2006 11:13 AM (GMT -7)   
first of all what is OA . And yes my brother-in-law had total knee replacement and he siad it was the best thing he could have done . He went thru the shots and the orthoscopic surgery twice , got the knee replacement and said all was a waste of money.
Syringomyelia T4-T10
Chiari Malformation
Decompression Surgery 1999
 
We are normal people, trying to live normal lives,
with bodies that have forgotten what normal is
 
 
"Remember I'm pullin' for ya, we're all in this together" Red Green


Ducky
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   Posted 8/11/2006 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Razzle.. OA is OsteoArthritis... here is some info on it...


Confirmed Diagnosis of - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis/Graves Disease/GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes/Chronic UTIs
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid/Nitrofurantoin
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots
Additional Supplements - Multi-Vitamin/Bromelian/Acidophilus/Green Tea

razzle51
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   Posted 8/11/2006 3:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks . My daughter has Psoriatic Arthritis so thats kinda of why i am here. By teh way my brotherinlaw that had knee replacement was 46 when he had it done. thanks
Syringomyelia T4-T10
Chiari Malformation
Decompression Surgery 1999
 
We are normal people, trying to live normal lives,
with bodies that have forgotten what normal is
 
 
"Remember I'm pullin' for ya, we're all in this together" Red Green


Ducky
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   Posted 8/11/2006 3:23 PM (GMT -7)   
What type of Decompression Surgery did you have, Razzle? What does your daughter take for her PA? How long has she had it?
Confirmed Diagnosis of - Psoriatic Arthritis/Spondylitis/Graves Disease/GERD/Scoliosis/Hiatal Hernia/Graves Disease of the Eyes/Chronic UTIs
Current Meds -  Enbrel/Prevacid/Synthroid/Nitrofurantoin
Past Meds - Inderal/PTU/Prednisone/Voltaren/Feldene/Mobic/Cortisone and Steroid Shots
Additional Supplements - Multi-Vitamin/Bromelian/Acidophilus/Green Tea
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