does anybody has arthritis associated with bowel problems?

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istone
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   Posted 11/8/2006 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
 hi
does anybody has arthritis associated with bowel problems?
i have problem with my bowel and always when i have my joint become inflammed and painful.
has anybody such a problem? i did colonoscopy no evidence of chron's disease. i will do also endoscopy maybe in small bowel is a problem
 
regards

Marius123
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   Posted 11/8/2006 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   
 
Yes of course. One of the 'official' types of arthritis is exactly the 'arthritis associated with IBD'. Sorry that it's me again answering you, but I'm pretty certain about the correct answer of your question. Hope someone else will answer too.
I'm sure there are other examinations to detect inflamation in your bowels except colonoscopy. I don't know them. If you ask on the Crohn's disease forum they know them all. Inflamation in the bowels usually have symtoms like abdomen pain, frequent diarrhea, crapms, nausea, you did not tell to have such a symptoms. I've also asked you previously about what the docs says about you having possible food intolerance, Remeber?. Did they make you any tests to rule out this issue ? Food intolerances may cause exactly loss of weight and IBD like extra-intestinal symtoms like arthritis, arthralgias, eyes problems... and etc. You got to rule out strictly this possibility because for me it looks quite likely in your case. Food intolerances can be managed very well with excluding completely the alergen substance from your diet. Celiac Disease is an example for food intolerancing disease to gluten, which is a main substance in most of the regular foods, mostly bread.
Official dx, but I have doubts: chronic reiter's syndrome (1yr and 6 mnths).
suffer form chronic uveitis, conjuctivitis, mild arthritis, subfebrile fever and fatigue, also showing some strange kidney pain


istone
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   Posted 11/8/2006 12:08 PM (GMT -7)   

 

hi

i have this problem for so long. i think this is the reason i got this problem wiht the  joints

when i have problem with bowel  i have  problem with my joints. last night i had a big problem with my bowel and right knee and ankle and hip get inflammed. is so horrible. i think i have a bug inside my bowel they couldnt detected. i think i got from hospital or.. when i traveled.

next week i go to infection disease dr. and see ..where is the problem.

when i dont eat and i had this colonoscopy and fasted and bowel were empty i didnt have any problem with joints. is not allergy to some food is a bug in my bowel. oh boy............. sad

regards

Marius123 said...
 
Yes of course. One of the 'official' types of arthritis is exactly the 'arthritis associated with IBD'. Sorry that it's me again answering you, but I'm pretty certain about the correct answer of your question. Hope someone else will answer too.
I'm sure there are other examinations to detect inflamation in your bowels except colonoscopy. I don't know them. If you ask on the Crohn's disease forum they know them all. Inflamation in the bowels usually have symtoms like abdomen pain, frequent diarrhea, crapms, nausea, you did not tell to have such a symptoms. I've also asked you previously about what the docs says about you having possible food intolerance, Remeber?. Did they make you any tests to rule out this issue ? Food intolerances may cause exactly loss of weight and IBD like extra-intestinal symtoms like arthritis, arthralgias, eyes problems... and etc. You got to rule out strictly this possibility because for me it looks quite likely in your case. Food intolerances can be managed very well with excluding completely the alergen substance from your diet. Celiac Disease is an example for food intolerancing disease to gluten, which is a main substance in most of the regular foods, mostly bread.


Marius123
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   Posted 11/10/2006 5:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Iris, there are thousands of different forms of bugs in your guts. There are thousands of different forms of bugs in the guts of any person. Startin from streptococcus, staphilococcus, klebsiella, enteroccus, lactobacilus and many many more which usually persist in your gastro-intestinal tract even since birth. These bacteria are part of the natural bowel flora and usually does not cause any disease when they are present there. You receive live bacteria with almost every food you eat, especially with the uncooked food, vegetables, fruits etc. The docs only look for the pathogenic bacteria when doing examination, because as I already said there are thousands of different forms of harmless bugs in your guts, not only harmless, but they even help your digestion and nutrients absorbtion. There are also pathogenic bacteria wich causes disease. Such bacteria is salmonella 4 example. Salmonella is not a part of natural bowel flora. Rotten food, meal, eggs usually multiplies a big colonies of pathogenic bacteria, that's why people usually get diarrhea when they eat rotten food. The presence of pathogenic bacteria in your guts usually causes acute diarrhea, fever and nausea - which is the natural way of the body to get rid of it.

I just wanted you ot know this.


Official dx, but I have doubts: chronic reiter's syndrome (1yr and 6 mnths).
suffer form chronic uveitis, conjuctivitis, mild arthritis, subfebrile fever and fatigue, also showing some strange kidney pain

Post Edited (Marius123) : 11/10/2006 5:19:58 AM (GMT-7)


PiaSava
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   Posted 11/15/2006 2:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey istone..

I have some kind of IBD, or at least the doc thinks I do. I have had joint pain for about 3-4 years before I had any issues with my bowels. I can tell you this much tho. The very day my bowels started changing, the pain in my joints intesified and stayed around. Prior to my bowel issues the joint pain would come and go, and rarely stay with me for more then a few days. Anyhow, I have only had bowel issues for about 6 months, but I did have 1 great week of relief. During that week I didn't ache in one single joint.

Maybe you do have the IBD... I had ulcers in my colon, but it takes years for some people to get diagnosed.

Get well soon!
Hospitalized with Infectious Colitis.
Colonscopy showed ulcers.Diagnose changed to either UC or Crohn's
Whatever it is, I was told its mild...
Medication Asacol 1x3 
Never had a good follow up - no small bowel test at all.
Gastroscopy was normal, but Still have a burning feeling in my stomach.
Looking for a doctor in Oslo who knows what he's doing atm.
 


istone
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   Posted 11/15/2006 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   

hi Marius

I was to infect. disease dr.  today was a crap a stupid darn idiot

i lost money and time, he didnt know about infect disease for GI telling me that for virus doesnt exist any medication etc... i have terrible candidosis from antibiotic uses for UTI infection

i can rid off i tried difulcan and  natural yogurt. probiotic im suffer i have trush in my mouth

and throat please if u have some idea to help me please. my joints are affected from this candidosis god  i need help!!!

 

i still believe that i have bacteria in my bowels and cant find it. tell me what i have to do where to go and what test to do .

kind regards

 

 

 

 

Marius123 said...
Iris, there are thousands of different forms of bugs in your guts. There are thousands of different forms of bugs in the guts of any person. Startin from streptococcus, staphilococcus, klebsiella, enteroccus, lactobacilus and many many more which usually persist in your gastro-intestinal tract even since birth. These bacteria are part of the natural bowel flora and usually does not cause any disease when they are present there. You receive live bacteria with almost every food you eat, especially with the uncooked food, vegetables, fruits etc. The docs only look for the pathogenic bacteria when doing examination, because as I already said there are thousands of different forms of harmless bugs in your guts, not only harmless, but they even help your digestion and nutrients absorbtion. There are also pathogenic bacteria wich causes disease. Such bacteria is salmonella 4 example. Salmonella is not a part of natural bowel flora. Rotten food, meal, eggs usually multiplies a big colonies of pathogenic bacteria, that's why people usually get diarrhea when they eat rotten food. The presence of pathogenic bacteria in your guts usually causes acute diarrhea, fever and nausea - which is the natural way of the body to get rid of it.

I just wanted you ot know this.


Marius123
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   Posted 11/15/2006 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
istone said...

hi Marius

I was to infect. disease dr.  today was a crap a stupid darn idiot

i lost money and time, he didnt know about infect disease for GI telling me that for virus doesnt exist any medication etc... i have terrible candidosis from antibiotic uses for UTI infection

i can rid off i tried difulcan and  natural yogurt. probiotic im suffer i have trush in my mouth

and throat please if u have some idea to help me please. my joints are affected from this candidosis god  i need help!!!

 

i still believe that i have bacteria in my bowels and cant find it. tell me what i have to do where to go and what test to do .

kind regards

Jesus, Iris, relax! You sound like paranoic!!! Not that I am not such too, but at least I'm trying not to be so much and staying calmed.

everything's gonna be alright!

It's normal to have candidosis/and frequent UTIs with antibiotics abuse. Antibiotics kills in line. They kill good and bad bacteria together and because like every evil in this world - bad bacteria are stronger then the good, and they starts to grow freely because the good one is killed and does not compete for and obstruct the bad's growing. Probiotics are good replacement of the good bacteria for the guts, some probiotic vaginal thrushes are good for the vagina. If you are still taking antibiotics I think you should reconsider with you doctor wether to continue this treatment if it obviously is not helping you. Antibiotics also doesen't kill bacteria completely they are just suppressing it in order the immune system can cope with it more easily. That behaviour makes bacteria more resistant with prolonged use of it and that resistance may potentially unlock future chronic infections anywhere on the body. Antibiotics are rarely used for more then 2 weeks and if they are prescriped for longer periods there should be a GOOD reason ..like tuberculosis, pneumonia, some spirochete caused diseases like syphilis, lyme disease and more... Antibiotics also lowers the immune system responce fighting viruses.

about your freqeunt UTIs? What the  infectious diseases doc says about them, why they cannot heal? Did he/she make any alternative suggestions? How long have you been taking antibiotics?

"he didnt know about infect disease for GI " -- if this is TRUE,  you should find another doc because there are many infectious diseases that affects the GI. I'm 100% sure about this. Most of the bowel infections are acute, but few of them may be lingering. There is affected bowel biopsy that is taken and looked under microscope and right after the dignosis of IBD could be established. Even if there is inflamation, not any bowel inflamation means IBD inflamation. The IBD bowel inflamation has speciffic clinical and histological differencies and does not have speciffic causative pathogen.

about the bug in your guts: there are lab examinations on faeces. Why don't you just put one.

Hmm.. about the viruses and and anti-viral medications: as soon as I know there are antiviral medications, but they are not as effective as antibiotics on bacteria. The most powerfull and only fighter against viruses is our immune system.

Did they make you chlamydia blood test, HIV blood test, syphilis and lyme diseases blood tests?

Have you noticed some strange skin rashes or eyes inflamation on you? People says that skin and eyes are mirror of the human's health condition.

Please answer me. You are rarely answering my questions! I want to help you...

You should realy find an interested doc. I hope you find it soon.


Official dx, but I have doubts: chronic reiter's syndrome (1yr and 6 mnths).
suffer form chronic uveitis, conjuctivitis, mild arthritis, subfebrile fever and fatigue, also showing some strange kidney pain

Post Edited (Marius123) : 11/15/2006 4:56:10 PM (GMT-7)


istone
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   Posted 11/16/2006 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   

hi

Did they make you chlamydia blood test, HIV blood test, syphilis and lyme diseases blood tests?

i dont have such a disease and im not paranoic

was a simple UTI infection s agalactiae who grows in your body.

im very sensitive to antibiotics and candidosis

 

 

 

 

Marius123 said...
istone said...

hi Marius

I was to infect. disease dr.  today was a crap a stupid darn idiot

i lost money and time, he didnt know about infect disease for GI telling me that for virus doesnt exist any medication etc... i have terrible candidosis from antibiotic uses for UTI infection

i can rid off i tried difulcan and  natural yogurt. probiotic im suffer i have trush in my mouth

and throat please if u have some idea to help me please. my joints are affected from this candidosis god  i need help!!!

 

i still believe that i have bacteria in my bowels and cant find it. tell me what i have to do where to go and what test to do .

kind regards

Jesus, Iris, relax! You sound like paranoic!!! Not that I am not such too, but at least I'm trying not to be so much and staying calmed.

everything's gonna be alright!

It's normal to have candidosis/and frequent UTIs with antibiotics abuse. Antibiotics kills in line. They kill good and bad bacteria together and because like every evil in this world - bad bacteria are stronger then the good, and they starts to grow freely because the good one is killed and does not compete for and obstruct the bad's growing. Probiotics are good replacement of the good bacteria for the guts, some probiotic vaginal thrushes are good for the vagina. If you are still taking antibiotics I think you should reconsider with you doctor wether to continue this treatment if it obviously is not helping you. Antibiotics also doesen't kill bacteria completely they are just suppressing it in order the immune system can cope with it more easily. That behaviour makes bacteria more resistant with prolonged use of it and that resistance may potentially unlock future chronic infections anywhere on the body. Antibiotics are rarely used for more then 2 weeks and if they are prescriped for longer periods there should be a GOOD reason ..like tuberculosis, pneumonia, some spirochete caused diseases like syphilis, lyme disease and more... Antibiotics also lowers the immune system responce fighting viruses.

about your freqeunt UTIs? What the  infectious diseases doc says about them, why they cannot heal? Did he/she make any alternative suggestions? How long have you been taking antibiotics?

"he didnt know about infect disease for GI " -- if this is TRUE,  you should find another doc because there are many infectious diseases that affects the GI. I'm 100% sure about this. Most of the bowel infections are acute, but few of them may be lingering. There is affected bowel biopsy that is taken and looked under microscope and right after the dignosis of IBD could be established. Even if there is inflamation, not any bowel inflamation means IBD inflamation. The IBD bowel inflamation has speciffic clinical and histological differencies and does not have speciffic causative pathogen.

about the bug in your guts: there are lab examinations on faeces. Why don't you just put one.

Hmm.. about the viruses and and anti-viral medications: as soon as I know there are antiviral medications, but they are not as effective as antibiotics on bacteria. The most powerfull and only fighter against viruses is our immune system.

Did they make you chlamydia blood test, HIV blood test, syphilis and lyme diseases blood tests?

Have you noticed some strange skin rashes or eyes inflamation on you? People says that skin and eyes are mirror of the human's health condition.

Please answer me. You are rarely answering my questions! I want to help you...

You should realy find an interested doc. I hope you find it soon.


erin.K
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   Posted 11/16/2006 9:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Iris...what is your main concern? You say you had a "simple UTI" yet you say you are suffering? How badly is it you are suffering? Are you completely disabled? Can you walk, bath, dress yourself?
If it is so that you are in tremendous fear and are suffering, sometimes it is best to be admitted as inpatient to a hospital for observation, a thorough round of blood cultures and MRIs and CTs. And even perhaps another colonoscopy. A biopsie is only as good as the person interpreting the biopsie...so what one person takes & sees, another pathologist might see different.
Personally, the inflammatory arthritis I have which directly correlates to the Crohns disease effects the vertical axis joints....mostly IBD arthritis displays symptoms in the shoulders, hands, hips, back, and knees. ANd when the Crohns flares, so does the arthritis.
I would suggest you keep a journal daily of what yo are feeling both physically and mentally. Notice what makes the joint problems worse/better....
It seems to me like you are screaming for help! :( Is it just that you want to know what is wrong and want a diagnoses? Or are you in a lot of pain and severely ill?
Take care & write back soon.
Erin
Active Severe Rheumatory Arthritis. Crohns Disease. A.Chiari Malformation & right brain venous anomoly. Partial Complex Seizures. MVP & Tricuspid Valve Prolapse. Rheumatic heart & lung. Previous Lymes Disease for 10 years.
Meds: Remicade infusions; Intra-articular knee injections; Imuran; Mesalamine; Prednisone; Meclizine; Reglan; LidoDerm; Diazepam; Restaril; Dilaudid; Avinza and too many others. 


kim123
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   Posted 11/16/2006 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Iris, I'm surprised diflucan didn't help you out. It is a strong antifungal and should clean up your fungus problems. Have you tried natural antifungals like oregano oil, olive leaf extract? As well, you might want to consider eliminating (not even a mouthful of) processed sugars, grains and yeast foods for awhile, as these keep feeding your fungus. You may never get 'well' again "if" that is the problem after all. Something to consider, I suppose... Good luck!

istone
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   Posted 11/22/2006 10:29 AM (GMT -7)   

hi Pia

 

I had colonscopy nothing was dx they said is ok but when  i have always bowel problem u have joints pain. i also have jonts damage on knees and ankle . i live in Helsinki do u think could be RA? all my blood test came negative i have this problem since nov. last year. is like a nightmare nobody can dx me. im so tired and frustrated. they dont accept my papers on rheumatic clinic cos all tests are negative . they are so rude and i dont have money to pay for private i consulted 4  rheumy and were so dump couldnt say what i have.im so afraid to not be RA. my ankles , elbows, wrists shoulders hips knees toes  hurt and is migratory pain and i also have on fingers joint damage.

kind regards

PiaSava said...
Hey istone..

I have some kind of IBD, or at least the doc thinks I do. I have had joint pain for about 3-4 years before I had any issues with my bowels. I can tell you this much tho. The very day my bowels started changing, the pain in my joints intesified and stayed around. Prior to my bowel issues the joint pain would come and go, and rarely stay with me for more then a few days. Anyhow, I have only had bowel issues for about 6 months, but I did have 1 great week of relief. During that week I didn't ache in one single joint.

Maybe you do have the IBD... I had ulcers in my colon, but it takes years for some people to get diagnosed.

Get well soon!


istone
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   Posted 11/22/2006 10:38 AM (GMT -7)   
hi erin
im so scared cos for 1 year i dont have any dx. i have migratory pain in all the joint.
here they dont admite in hospital or rheym. clinic if u dont have positive blood tests. are so dump and stupid rules. i cant pay anymore private and i consulted 3 without results. i think my bowel problems cause joint pain also UTI . im in pain every day and dont know what medication should take cos antiinfl. med.cause bowel inflamation.im normal nothing wrong with my mental health dont worry. is because so long i dont have rheumatologists and dx to treat me . is so hard !!
 
erin.K said...
Iris...what is your main concern? You say you had a "simple UTI" yet you say you are suffering? How badly is it you are suffering? Are you completely disabled? Can you walk, bath, dress yourself?
If it is so that you are in tremendous fear and are suffering, sometimes it is best to be admitted as inpatient to a hospital for observation, a thorough round of blood cultures and MRIs and CTs. And even perhaps another colonoscopy. A biopsie is only as good as the person interpreting the biopsie...so what one person takes & sees, another pathologist might see different.
Personally, the inflammatory arthritis I have which directly correlates to the Crohns disease effects the vertical axis joints....mostly IBD arthritis displays symptoms in the shoulders, hands, hips, back, and knees. ANd when the Crohns flares, so does the arthritis.
I would suggest you keep a journal daily of what yo are feeling both physically and mentally. Notice what makes the joint problems worse/better....
It seems to me like you are screaming for help! :( Is it just that you want to know what is wrong and want a diagnoses? Or are you in a lot of pain and severely ill?
Take care & write back soon.
Erin


erin.K
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   Posted 11/22/2006 4:10 PM (GMT -7)   

sad  awe, i'm so sorry.

in the USA, medical doctors can diagnose rheumatory arthritis and other autoimmune arthritis' even without positive blood labs.  some autoimmune diseases do not have a + ANA or a  +RF...so they take into consideration everything else in order to diagnose.

also, sometimes it takes YEARS for a persons blood to show + for RA, Lupus or anything like that...the blood titers for those conditions that is. so yeah, those doctors you speak of are rude for disregarding you just because you test  -  on labs.

i do have a confirmed Dx of Crohns via colonoscopy (the worst part is the damage in my small intestines) and yes...when the Crohns disease flares (abdominal pain, diarrhea, bloody bowel movements, ascites) the joints in my shoulders, elbows, hips, knees, feet all get much worse.  and my GI doc says that this is expected with Crohns flares.  the joints in the vertical axis of the body will flare & get worse as well.

i can't take nsaids neither, oh they hurt! but i do have to take steroids, prednisone, to help the joint pain & inflammation.

have you had Prednisone or Solumedrol at all?

again, i'm so sorry for what you are having to go through. it's terrible i know.


Active Severe Rheumatory Arthritis. Crohns Disease. A.Chiari Malformation & right brain venous anomoly. Partial Complex Seizures. MVP & Tricuspid Valve Prolapse. Rheumatic heart & lung. Previous Lymes Disease for 10 years.
Meds: Remicade infusions Q3 weeks; Intra-articular knee injections; Imuran; Mesalamine; Prednisone tapering from 120mg; Meclizine; Reglan; LidoDerm; Diazepam; Restaril; Dilaudid; Avinza and too many others. 

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