Help! I need answers about my 13 yr old daughter!

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Fallon
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   Posted 5/5/2008 12:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I've read about bipolar disorder in children and so far haven't found the answers I'm looking for.  We have an appt with a psychiatrist, but you know how long it takes just to get in to see them! 
 
My step-daughter suffers from anxiety (like her biological mother) and is exhibiting behaviors that go beyond anxiety disorder.  She suffers from extreme paranoia also.  Her mother was diagnosed with bipolar disorder a while ago, but she refuses to believe that she is. She is on Prozac, like my step-daugher.  We aren't seeing much of a change at all in the 4 weeks that she's been on the Prozac.  In fact, I feel she might be getting worse in some ways.
 
She doesn't have extreme highs or lows, however.  Can some kids with bipolar have more mild symptoms? She is really low a couple of days and then has a panic attack.  Then miraculously the next couple of days, she's up and almost bouncy.  I'm so confused!  She's been this way for a long time.  The panic attacks only started 4 weeks ago, however.
 
Please write back!

quietpain
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   Posted 5/5/2008 1:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Bipolar in the teen years can be extreme or mild, just watch and have her seen by a children pyschiartist unyil she in 18.They have a better understand of pediatrics. Most are dual psychiatrists and pediatrician, so they are very comefortable with the childds' ysmtomly for their complicating factors. Iwould be really concerned she help help an the panic attecks. Since they are new, maybe she even knows the trgger but can't idendify. WHat changed in her life 4 month sor so. It mabe hirmal or it maye situation, bu she is holdingback fear of something.Don't put a ten on benzos, try propapolo -it isa safe betablocker that relaxest he body organ systems to no normal and is nonaddictive.

quietpain

loving frustrated wife
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   Posted 5/5/2008 3:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Fallon, I am the mother to a S who is BP. YES, there is a broad range of symptoms, and countless levels. My S is on the milder side as well. His shifts are not "extreme", but they are evident. He never goes really high, it is more the depression he tends to, but that has also never hit so bad hospitalization is required..."thoughts" of suiside...yes...but they have only ever been thoughts and he comes to us (again...signal for med adjustment). I describe it more like he would implode, before he would explode. Does that make sense? Anyway, my S is 14 1/2, and he was dx when he was 8. What I have seen in the teenage years is that as the hormones begin shifting and changing in him, the closer we have to watch because it plays havoc on him. All in all he is quite stable, but believe me....we have our moments with him were it is clear something is off.

It is great that you are having her properly evaluated. Just work between now and them to stay calm for her. Be her anchor, remind her that while she is unmedicated, for whatever her condition is, she will see and experience the full symptoms, but help is coming and there will be answers. In the meantime, you and her father are here for her, and she is safe. You can only imagine how scary this must feel inside, but for her to hang tough, it won't be long...help is coming. But also set her expectation clearly that when things are straightened out for her, there may be some trial and error with medication until they get it just right. She needs to learn ALL she can about whatever dx comes, and that when the proper meds are found, her life will be full and happy as long as she stays diligent to the dx. Do a simple comparison to diabetes, it seems understandable for a kid this age. It has been for mine since he knew a few diabetics. It helped to think of himself as no different, just that instead of insulin being the chemical off inside, is was some others, and instead of it affecting his blood sugar, it affected his moods. So, as long as he was on his meds, and watchful of the balance - the controls and choices were with him. When the balance goes off, he can feel that some of the choices to how he feels get taken away, and we speak to the pdoc and get his meds adjusted.

Hope that all helps to know you are not alone, and you are doing the right things for you stepchild. LFW

chriscars
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   Posted 5/5/2008 4:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear LFW,

Thank you so much for your response. You've helped a lot! It does help to know I'm doing the right thing. It really pains me to see her like this. Yesterday she cried her eyes out b/c she was afraid that all the ones she loves were going to die and leave her alone. Just the day before it was fear of bleeding to death from the inside out (when she saw a horrible bruise on her leg and had no recollection as to where it came from). She's had bruises before and knows what they are, but there is NO rationalizing with her! It's something new almost everyday. Today it was her temperature. It was 99 and she was convinced she had some disease. She wants her dad and I to make an appt with a reg doc so that they can do a battery of tests on her to make sure she is healthy and her body is functioning ok. Not that it will do any good b/c she thinks that the world is conspiring against her to kill her b/c she has real problems. It worries us to death. So far no thoughts of suicide. She's just afraid everyone is out to get her. The thing that makes me think BP is at play here is the fact that this morning she was so bubbly and happy. She SKIPPED into the kitchen! After school she was happy too, however at around 5, she felt a little "weird" so she took her temp. Then she had another panic attack....crying saying she was really scared. Inconsolable. She has since calmed down and convinced herself that the thermometer had to be wrong.

We can't see the pdoc soon enough! Thanks again for the response. It's what I needed to hear!
Fallon

serafena
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   Posted 5/5/2008 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Chriscars/Fallon -- While I am sympathetic to your postings, it is against forum rules to have multiple sign in names. You need to choose one and stick with it, delete the others. There is a third account as well, is there not?

Rule 7. No use of multiple usernames. Please register and use only one username for the forums. Posting under multiple user accounts will result in administrative action (ie. banning).

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serafena
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Fallon
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   Posted 5/5/2008 6:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Serafena,

I'm sorry. I am chriscars wife. I didn't realize that his id was logged in already when I wrote my response. My husband told me about this site, and I have my own account. I believe he and my stepdaughter all have their own accounts as well. We all use the same computers when we are home so I
will have to be careful to make sure it is my acct when writing. We all have our own issues to deal with where she is concerned. Thanks for the heads up!

serafena
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   Posted 5/5/2008 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   
No problem. It's great that all three of you find the site useful. It's just easy to get confused...

All bipolars have different levels of highs and lows. There's bipolar I and bipolar II -- it's a spectrum of highs and lows, certainly your daughter's moods could fit on it. Here's a link:
www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/bipolar-disorder/symptoms.shtml

And here's one on bipolar in children and adolescents:
www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=By_Illness&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&Contentid=17591

serafena
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loving frustrated wife
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   Posted 5/5/2008 7:28 PM (GMT -7)   
It is critical that you also make sure that the pdoc you use for your SD is versed with kids having BP, and potentially other issues to. Directly ask them how much of their practice is with kids/teenagers. Check with them to see if they are comfortable with complex cases. A good way to find a referral to check out the pdoc is also to speak with various university psych departments and ask for names of great pdocs for kids, then speak to various pediatrician offices. Eventually, you will hear the same name come up in a positive way. Make sure you make an appointment with more than one to determine the best fit for your family. The right pdoc & therapist team is what can make or break this process. ALL of you should work together on behalf of your SD, you must think of yourselves as part of her wellness team. Make sure you sign whatever is necessary so they can freely speak to each other about her case (HIPPA and all).

In the meantime, just keep reassuring her that you are there and she is safe, you will always make sure of it. This will help calm her until the meds start helping....regardless of what the final dx turns out to be. Plus, between now and the pdoc appointments, make use to keep a "mood" observation log on her. This way you can report the various shifts and situations that come up, and how often.

Hang in there, it can and does get better. LFW

Howlyncat
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   Posted 5/9/2008 5:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Fallon
When your hubby posted in anxiety about "help for his daughter" he had said she was not "quite"13......
I then suggessted that Brenna and my daughter hook up on email or msn ....yahoo
This was because Cait is a teen (older) but very empathetic and I thought it may help Brenna........

It was made clear way back when that Brenna was not old enough to join HW yet

Cait and Brenna have emailed one another but right now Cait is in Quebec.........
I DO wish you all the best in getting her help and finding the right DX for her...........
You will find a way I am sure and support is here as you can see.......

be well
LYN
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Moderator @ Anxiety Panic..Alzheimer's..Co mod @ Crohns
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