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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/19/2008 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello, I am new and I am desperate. I was hospitalized and placed on Trileptal and I had horrible side effects and was taken off the medication.

I am currently on lamictal, and then I broke out in a rash and will have to discontinue it.

I do not know what else there is for me to try.

Does any one know of another mood stabilizer which does not have horrible side effects-(no weight gain-would be a plus).

I am putting my husband through hell and I think he probably wishes he had not married me. I feel like a burden. I can not even get on a medication! I wish I did not live since I am such a burden, but my two children would not understand.

Can anyone help me with information about other mood stabilizers which have worked for them.

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   Posted 5/19/2008 1:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Zebra,

Welcome to HealingWell and to our board.

There are so many drugs out there for you to try. I'm personally on 5, and I'm not taking the most of some of the people on the board. Drugs.com lists over 20 associated with the treatment of bipolar disorder. Your doctor won't give up yet, don't you do it either. Some of the most popular ones are lithium, of course, but also Topomax, Klonopin, Zyprexa, Seroquel, Abilify, Geodon ... there are a lot. Tell your doctor you want to avoid weight gain and he/she will know which ones have that side effect. I believe Zyprexa is known for weight gain.

I totally understand how you feel about being a burden. Several of us have mentioned that over time. But it's something you have to learn to put aside. You can't imagine your husband wishes he was living a life without you -- I can't imagine that is true. Bipolar is a trial, it's true, but we pledge to go through those trials together when we get married. He would be devastated if you were gone, as would your children. However, if you ever start seriously having thoughts of suicide, I want you to call the suicide hotline right away. The number is 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433).

I am on Lexapro, which is a anti-depressant which finally worked for me after trying a bunch of drugs. I know it's terrible to live through the depression while trying to find a medication which works, but you will find something, just hang in there. It almost always takes a few tries before you find something that clicks.

best wishes,
serafena
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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/19/2008 1:33 PM (GMT -7)   
I am diagnosed with Bipolar II and it is my understanding that an antidepressant alone can not provide mood stabilization. It can increase rapid cycling and mixed something. (I learned this while at the hospital).

Yes it is true that I do not see what impact my disappearance would have on others, other than my children. I don't think some note will help my teenager understand.

Thanks for the phone # though. I may need to go back to the hospital, but I don't want some awful medication like trileptal.

Thanks again

serafena
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   Posted 5/19/2008 7:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh sorry, you're right. You don't want to be on just an AD. Some mood stabilizers are lithium, Depakote, Seroquel, Tegretol, Risperdol, Abilify and Geodon. Someone here has been on every one of them at some point and has good and bad things to say about it, because they all work differently for each of us. I've been on lamictal for years and it works great for me. The board is a little quiet this week so give it a little chance to respond...

serafena
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olivia of course
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   Posted 5/20/2008 8:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Zebra,

I completely sympathize with you on the meds issues, I have been on tons in the past on the search for the right one. I might be having a med change soon. One thing I can tell you is to try to be patient with the process, it can take some time.

I have been on almost all the meds that Serafena has described. Some of them worked, but I had a bad reaction/side-effect to them; while others just did nothing. But we can only tell you about what we have experienced, or what the common side effect are. But not everyone gets the side effects or reacts the same way to the medicines. What works for one person may not work for the next. You should discuss all your concerns with your pdoc, they are usually very understanding.

I found this website that might be helpful.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/bipolar_disorder_medications.htm

Best wishes on you search,
Olivia

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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/20/2008 11:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks to all of you. I went back to the dermatologist and she said it was ezema (sp). My pdoc said that it has become a common problem with his patients on Lamictal.

I let him know that I did not want off the lamictal and that I will take the itcy, scaly skin instead of facing any set of awful side effects.

Just that those of you on lamictal might want to know.

I am going to go look around and see how people have done with Depokote, just in case the ezema gets really bad.

thanks,

olivia of course
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   Posted 5/20/2008 12:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello again ZEBRA,

I am glad that it wasn't the feared rash after all. Trust me everyone freaks out about the rash when they start Lamictal. When I first started it I was out in the sun too much and broke out in hives, and was freaking out. But the rash is not that common, and less that 1% of the people get it.

As for Depakote, I have not been on it but have heard a lot about it. Especially since it has been brought up so much in the past as a possible med. Depakote is one of the older mood stabilizers and is very effective in treatment. The down side of taking it is that you'll have to get blood work done when taking it. A bigger downside is that is makes you gain MAD weight, diet and exercise helps but the weigh gain is not preventable. It is even worse than Lithium in that matter. I especially bring this up because you said you wanted something weight neutral.

Most of the newer mood stabilizers are more weight neutral than the older drugs. Both classes are effective, the end result is up to you and your doctor.
Olivia
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Post Edited (Olivia05) : 5/20/2008 1:31:08 PM (GMT-6)


ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/21/2008 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks for the information.

I saw the pdoc today and I can stay on Lamictal unless the ecxema gets really bad. I need to learn to spell that word correctly! Anway we spoke about topomax which is weight neutral but he did not think it was as effective as Lamictal.

Seroquel/Zyprexa can also cause weight gain and Zyprexa can cause peripheral edema. I tried Geodon but the side effect was a word that means "restless legs" I could not stand still and so that was out.

He named some other ones with big fancy names and I had no idea what he was talking about.

He wants me to hold on my current dose for one week and then continue....will hold to see about the exzema(sp). So for now its Lamictal.

quietpain
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   Posted 5/22/2008 11:08 AM (GMT -7)   
I spent 3 years on 2000 Deprokote, and I didn't gain weight from it nor did I have hair loss. Depakote is nice because they base your dose on your blood levels. It can be hahrd on your liver and with the other meds , my liver enzyemes shot and got physically sick. Two days off and I could move and walk and talk again. It has been a year now and I have no signs of liver damage. I did get the rash with lamicatal, it started quickly and faded slowly. I am lucky too that it didn't leave scars since the SJ rash teends to scar.

quietpain

ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/22/2008 3:44 PM (GMT -7)   
hmmmm. So if depakote gave you liver problems and lamictal gave you the rash, then what are you taking? I hear people talking about "other meds" like what?

I also take Neurontin which is suppose to also help with other mood stabilizers and help with anxiety.
I think it works because my anxiety is better. I also take Klonopin as needed.

Is there spell check available? I feel bad about all my words that I did not spell correctly.

I feel funny with a user name of Zebra. ha ha

olivia of course
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   Posted 5/22/2008 5:12 PM (GMT -7)   
ZEBRA,

Right now I take Lithium, Tegretol and Buspar.

In the past I have taken Lamictal, Trileptal, Seroquel, Zyprexa, Geodon and Abilify as mood stabilizers.

I noticed that sometimes including in my case that more than one mood stabilizer works better than just one. Like I said before, everyone reacts differently to meds, what works for one person may not work for another. Also, side effects vary from one person to another; sometimes there is not sides effects at all.

Olivia

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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/22/2008 8:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I wish everyone had the same side effects so that way we would all know what to take and what to avoid.

For example, I had to drop out of the Trileptal because I had such bad bad bad side effects. I also heard that Tegretol is a far second to Depokote regarding side effects, but apparently you must not of had bad side effects. What is Buspar suppose to do?????? Is it for anxiety? are the doses spaced out over the day?

Does anyone take neurontin? generic called gabapentin?

serafena
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   Posted 5/23/2008 12:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Zebra,

If you want, you can change your display name on the control panel, under "edit profile."

serafena
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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/23/2008 9:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Well zebra's are nice and I like to feed them at the safari but it sounds odd to go by the name of zebra. Well I am odd so I guess I will keep the zebra ha ha

olivia of course
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   Posted 5/26/2008 12:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Zebra,

Any updates on meds? I hope you find what works for you real soon. Buspar is for anxiety, it has to be taken in 2-3 doses throughout the day. Unlike benzos it does not make you drowsy and does not have a chance for addiction. Please let us know if anything new comes up.

Also as Serafena said you are welcome to change your name if you feel uncomfortable.

Olivia

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quietpain
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   Posted 5/27/2008 2:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Zebra


I haven't done well with mood stabilizers of the traditional sence, it is questionable how I would do on Lithium, but I have thyroid issueas and heart issues from it. I even had to go through two weeks of cardio rehab. Since I am not quiet as suicidal now we may use ut. Right now to stabilze my mood I take 6mg. Rispredal ans 20mg of Zyprexa. I am not the typical bipolar. I have a severe depressive atypical bipolar disorder with ongoing psychosis. No meds have gotten rid of all the psychotic symptoms. With this disorder,I hypomania is is my best of times. I am usually not suicidal, I can control cutting, and get out of the house to pick my daughter up from school Mania entails a total psychotic breakdown. I become more suicidal than when I am in my deepest depressions because the need to stop terror of the world I believe is around me. I hope that was clear. Right now I am in a depressed state; I am left alone for fours at a time, then my husband come s from work to evaluate me. I also don't sleep much any more at night so I cut myself and have bruises from my husband holding me down until I the PRN he has to either shove in my mouth makes me sleepy, then the suicidal struggle ends.

Besides Risperadal and Zyprexa (which is according to the FDA both a mood stabilizer and antipsychotic), I take a between 10 and 13 meds. We haven't found the answer yet, and although ECT sessions worksd the first three times (at 17, 20, 23,), the last didn't (a year ago.) My current goal is just to sleep at night, then we wwill go back to talking about feeling like showering and going outside.

If fear of gaining weight is a reason not to take a med, you have never seen hell. i know that sounds mean, but I gained a hundred pounds the first time I was on zyprexa/seroqel mix and I feel like if the side effects aren't life threatening, render unable to drive like seizures as it be with some meds, or if it makes you more ill mentally than before - ask yourself how bad you really feel.


quietpain

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quietpain
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   Posted 5/27/2008 2:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Neurontin is a newer medicine that is used for nerve pain. At one time they thought it help with stabilizing moods. Tests on patients who had pain left over from shingles did seem happier and less moody. So the have been giving to the mentallly ill even though studies, lots of s stidies show it is as effective as a placebo. If you suffer from pain during your depressive cycle (it is one symptom of depression) you may feel better. I spent a lot of time on neurontin in the 90's before they realized is wasn't a very good drug. It did help last year though when I had shingles in my eye, but any pain relief makes you "feel" better.

You didn't ask, but just to know. Topamax is for epilepsy and helps some who cannot take the traditional meds or as an add-o to control siezures. It is also used to prevent migraines. It also eases hunger helping you to maintain your weight, but generally that is for a ten to fifteen pound weight gain only. I took it for the headaches and weight thing. I took 800mg. It worked great with my migraines and I did feel less hungry, but that only lasted about a week. But like neurontin it is a weak if anything drug for depresssion or bipolar disorder.

quietpain


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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/29/2008 6:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Bummer I just wrote a super long email justto accidently erase it. Okay good news the eczema is under control. May of been a side effect from starting Lamictal at 350mg per every day.

I am having eyeball pain-right eyeball with some weird filament growing due to super dry eyes. I am post Lasix. My dry eye is extreme. I read that Nuerontin can cause eye problems. I will turn it in to my eye doctor.

I am afraid to try something else for the anxiety and as a mood stabilizer along with the Lamictal. Does Topamax have horrible side effects, like the Trileptal?

Sorry about breaking the rule, I guess it would cause others to consider it. Thank you for the clarfication.

mavila the silly zebra. ha ha

is there a spell check -aargh

ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/29/2008 6:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I suffer from depression also but I am not psychotic. the word psychotic scares me. Does Topamax help with the gross depression and axiety?
mavila the Zebra.

Bipolar II with difficult to treat depression

serafena
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   Posted 5/29/2008 7:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Mavila you silly zebra,

There is no spell check, which is why we don't get worked up about spelling.

I take topomax as a mood stabilizer. I haven't had any side effects. I did lose just a little weight at first but that effect dries up pretty quickly. The other effects are that soda tastes terrible and you can't rely on birth control pills. I think it adds a boost to my lamictal, but it didn't work so great on it's own.
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Danxiety
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   Posted 5/29/2008 9:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been on 1000MG of depakote for about a month. I've noticed a few things.
1. Yes, you have to get blood work done but after you're at a stable dose you slow down on that.
2. I have not gained weight, but seemed to lose 2LBS. Very uncommon and i do CRAVE food. I just eat apples instead of fries (I miss fries)
3. I too have really dry eyes, especially in the middle of the night. It made me wonder if i was sleeping with my eyes open (that would be awesome, cause its creepy).
4. I've had skin problems on numerous medications. I think the drying out happens to more than my eyes. I have "Seborrheic dermatitis" which is like dandruf but on my face... Boooo! I hate that! But i found that Fish oils help (omega 3s high in EPA) and some non-greasy, sensitive skin lotion..
5. I have some sexual side effects, that are very commonly associated with Zoloft or other SSRIs.
6. So far, I have no hair loss, but i heard or read some where that this tend to affect more women than men.

Good luck. Its great that you dont have "they" rash. And the Egzama thing should be easy to control :)

take care_
dan

By the way, ZEBRA is a awesome name...
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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/30/2008 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
WELL I am glad that depokate works for you except for some weird stuff -ha-ha.

I read one of the side effects of neurontin are dry eyes. this is bad news for those who have had Lasik since they usually cause dry eyes. hmmmm what else,, what else, what else,

He mentioned ambilfy???? but isn't that for schizoprenia, I totally cant spell. No one answers my question on spell check.

Silly but I'm afraid Ill become schizophrenic if I try any of the anti psychotic meds silly I know.

Totally cool about your weight loss

mavila

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   Posted 5/30/2008 10:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I did answer your spell check question. See above, goose. The closest thing is that in my browser (firefox,) misspelled or unknown words get underlined in red.

I'm on abilify. It's not just for schizophrenia -- the anti-psychotics sound a little scary but are used to treat mania. You won't (can't) magically become schizophrenic just by taking a pill. I'm ironically on mood stabilizers, anti-depressants and an anti-psychotic. We cover all the bases. :-) Don't let the terminology scare you.

serafena
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ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/30/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -7)   
OH NEver mind, the moderator explained there is noooooooooooooo spell check.
Thanks.

okay here is the bottom line what what what does not have dry eyeballs as a side effect? i NEED my Lasik eyeballs.


the dried eye zebra

ZEBRA
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   Posted 5/31/2008 2:33 PM (GMT -7)   
wELL I have some good news. If you happen to have ugly scars, especially keloid scars ( ones that just keep on growing thicker) well my dermatologist said she can inject cortisone at about six week intervals and the scars well lay flat and be less noticable.

She can also give you a prescription for a cortisone/steroid topical solution which well make non-keloid scars look even fainter.

I hope I did not break any rules but I wanted to share that information.

Will see pdoc Monday and probably just stay on the lamictal, neurontin and klonopin. I can use eye drops for now, unless any one has a better idea.

He said he had not seen any good results with Topamax - anyone have a different experience?

mavila zebra of the day!
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