how long it taks depression to go a way?

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arsen-1978
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   Posted 1/16/2006 4:03 PM (GMT -7)   
  ive been diagnosed with major depression in 2003 summer, since now Ive been taking medication for depression, bipolar and for  anexiety and panics,  medication dont hepl maks wors for me, i cant sleep cause thoughts are bothering me and feeling low and i talk to my wife all night till 5 am i some how sleep but every day now for about 2 years ive beeen waiking up at 2 or 3 pm, and when i wake up i dont feel anything i feel all confused and very agressive, i usualy talk nonsese and i usualy talk about my past how i was when i was good, i dont know what im doing in my life i going down everyday, i have muscle pains and joints maybe cause i sleep too much, my head feels like i have migraine feels like im in space, most bad things i feel usually are hard to concetrate and focuse hard to understand people i get distracted from liltle voices around me sometimes i cant even walk, thinking is bad, sex is bad lol, i dont talk to no one atall, dont wanna see my friends and familly too, feels like i dont recognize no one anymore, i feel like im in coma world, last mont i stop my medications now im only takind b12, life got hard about suisides i used to thing usualy i feel like im dieing
 
this happed 2003 summer when i went to armenia/russia to get married
and after my divirse from my 1st girlfriend been togeter for 5 years and now she has kids and shes married to someone els,
it all so happend cause i switch jobs, in 10 years i changed 15 jobs
and maybe cause i lost everything what i owned, friend, jobs, hobbies, single life,and everything
no one understands what im going tru, its been 3 years almost same, i dont know what to do anymore life went left with no reality,
 

Ellie 1
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   Posted 1/16/2006 6:44 PM (GMT -7)   
You should absolutely be talking to your doctor. I recently had some major upheavals in my life as well, and if your meds weren't working well in the first place, and it sounds like they're not, you're looking at trouble. You don't want to let the depression get out of control. I let mine go way too far.
If you're feeling confused and foggy it could be that it's caused by your medication but stopping your meds without your doctors supervision isn't really a good idea. It could be that you just need a different medication. There is no reason you should be going without sleep and feeling agressive. Thats what the meds are supposed to prevent. There are so many meds now that don't cause that brain fog and grogginess, and alot of time it takes a few tries before you find the right combination.
Don't give up, theres hope still, make sure you let us know how you're doing.
God Bless and take care
Ellie

Ellie 1
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   Posted 1/17/2006 8:12 AM (GMT -7)   

While I am all for taking good care of yourself with good nutrition and exercise, neither of these things will cure BP.  To try to deal with this with an exclusively natural approach could be disasterous.  People with this disorder, especially in a depressed and agitated state, can become a hazard to themselves and others.  While cleansing your system might make you feel better physically (might) it will not remove any agitation and depression, nor will it cure Bipolar disorder.  To suggest otherwise is irresponsible and downright dangerous, and I would ask you to refrain from doing so.  More often than not this disorder requires lifelong medication, not simply good nutrition and a visit to the chiropractor.  If it were that simple, we would all be med free.

Ellie


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   Posted 1/17/2006 7:49 PM (GMT -7)   
While some people with very mild version of BP may be able, with talk therapy, to avoid the negative consequences of this disease, the vast majority have a more serious problem that will also require medical intervention. For over 2,000 years and prior to additives and other negative food practices manic depression has doged people. So, given that many people who suffer from BP are nutritionist and that in times prior to additives there were still BP, it would seem that to argue a nutritional causation is not upheld. Interestingly, it should be realised that lithium is a "natural" therapy for BP. Over 2,000 years ago people with BP would go to a lake in Italy an take the waters. These waters were found to help the condition. It was found in the last century that these waters were high in lithum. A natural occuring ion was a suitable treatment.
 
It is important to have a good diet when dealing with this illness, because poor diet adds to the problem - this is not the same as saying good eating will "cure" the problem - it only avoids additional ones.

arsen-1978
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   Posted 1/18/2006 1:35 AM (GMT -7)   
You guys are saying the right things, I was on Lithium for 3-4 months no resulth I only fealted the first day at night when i was culm, I also tryed Lamingtol, Wellbutrin, Zyprexa, Tegretol, Abilify, Gabapentine, Depakote 1275mg for 3-4 months, Resperdal, Klonopine, Zanax,  Effexor 375 for 3 months, Lexapro, Lorazepam and more Mood meds and exiety meds Antidepresants No results in All of this Drugs I used it only kicks the first day for about a minute feels like Im getting my brains back but it goes away and I get the same foggy and all confused and fears, my worse is i get sceared of people, I start talking to people i dont know, it's hard to deal with BP or depression, my usual daily symptoms are confussion, not feeling things like objects and i feel like i know evrything, vision problems like hard to see things and everything gets messy speacialy at nights i cant look at cars when the lights are on, bright things are bother me a lot, somethimes it's hard to hear and body pains, the painy one is hole left side the heart side legs and body and headeches on the left side only i think it's exiety only, it goes away, it happens when im surounded in the croud of people. this when it gets all confused when all of this symptoms are working , but thank you all for the hepls you guys are writing it helps me, I starded to take care a lil i eat but not too much and i try to waik up in the morning and bacicly eating right to loose waight, i was 155 pounds when i was normal ive been 155 for all my life after this happend i was eating eveything and i was 210 in 5 months now im 185, my goal is to go down to 165 it would be perffect for me, I dont know i might go back to tegretol it was helping me a lil. thank you all 

SMSIRL
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   Posted 1/18/2006 6:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Arsen, I'm happy to hear you are going to give tegretol another go. It is important to remember that some of these drugs take time to work. For example it may take three weeks for some antidepressants to work. Lithium it can take a year or so - because it's not working on individual symptoms but on the overall instability that lead to cycles over time. When it takes time for some meds to work others can be added to help make the symptoms more bareable.

Ellie 1
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   Posted 1/18/2006 7:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I didn't know that about lithium. I gave up on it long before it had a chance then. It just made me gain so much weight I flipped out. I have some eating issues anyway and I put on fifteen pounds in just a couple of months and quit taking it. That was more than a decade ago though. I was on other meds as well, (can't remember for the life of me all of them), so it probably wasn't all the lithium anyway. I had alot of luck with the abilify. It actually worked and killed my appetite all at the same time. I was impressed. To bad its so blasted expensive.
Arsen, glad you're not giving up. Make sure you're not dieting excessively. I know when I cut my calories too much my mood fluctuates more dramaticly and I'm more inclined to panic attacks. Maybe the tegretol will be combined with something else this time and do the job.
Hope you both have a good day.
Ellie

Putter
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   Posted 1/18/2006 8:31 AM (GMT -7)   
 I apologize first off for hi-jacking this thread. SMSIRL made such interesting comments (as always) and I was curious how I might learn more. I don't want to pry or get too personal, but I am always fascinated by the information you are able to share with other members and was wondering if you had a particular method to your research or if it is part of a specific area of interest?

I guess in short, I am eager to learn more about the history of BP in a Global sense and I would suppose that it stems from a need for validation. Is there a particular subject or topic you would suggest I start with to learn more (i.e. mental health through the millennia)?

Hope everyone is having a great day!
Putter


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SMSIRL
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   Posted 1/19/2006 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Putter,

Just a quick initial response to your question. The first reference I got to Lithum being used in italy was in a book on case histories published in the late 80's. The title was something like Case Studies in Psychiatry, and was by Tomb & Christensen if memory serves.

A good book on mental health history : Madness : A Brief History by Roy Porter

Some other things you might look up, the names should spring some results on the web [I'd have to find some boxes in my families attic to get the original references, which I found many years ago - alas those old grey cells are dead ] :

Hippocrates described melancholia and mania.
Aretaeus of Cappadocia [an old city in Turkey] recognized the relatedness of mania and depression. He described cyclothymia, a form of illness characterised by alternating periods of depression and mania.
If you look up Soranus of Ephesus [2nd Century AD] a follower of Asclepiades, you'll find that he used alkaline waters, which were high in Lithium.

A great book on Manic-Depression though dated : Manic-Depressive Illness by Goodwin and Jamison publish by Oxford [1990?].

A link to details

http://www.sciencedaily.com/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemSearch&SearchIndex=Books&Author=Frederick+K.+Goodwin+M.D.

This is a wonderful review of the research results to that date and also, if memory serves, some interesting information on : the history, personal impact, and some sociological aspects of the illness.

My usual way to research something where there is already a body of knowledge :

If I don't know the area at all I might just start with a lay persons/college text so I can read my way in before hitting the heavy jargon [they are also a good place to find the big names in an area]. Once I've identified the basic terms and hopefully the leading names, I try to find a definitive text by leaders in the field, or at least a fairly authoritative text with a good bibliography. Then go through the bibliography to find workers in the field. Then I seek out a list of their publications. The book above [Manic-Depressive Illness ] was a particularly good case because it involves a review of all the major research in the field at the time. It gave wonderful complete references to papers, and publications. Just a quick scan in any paper will give you a good sense of who the leaders in the field are. Once one completes this sort of survey, one can identify the key areas of research and keep an eye on them. I try to formulate questions at each stage – so that I’m always looking for answers to questions, this focuses the mind. Interestingly research show that a person who studies to answer specific questions retains more information [even on subjects other than those of the questions] than one goes to try and learn all he/she can.

Going to the library and looking up citation indexes is a way to do evaluate who was influential in a field – not always reliably. Finally, I will write to experts in the field if I have a worthy question.

 

With an area like Manic-Depression, I would actually start with something like a lay/college text on Psychiatry to start with, because issues like this border on other areas - so it is important not to make the boundary too tight. For example, understanding psychosis is important and being able to distinguish between schizophrenia and manic-depression is important. Something that would be difficult if one only studied manic-depression. However, unless I want to make a study of schizophrenia it is better that I deal with it at almost a lay, or more realistically, a college level.

In many areas the body of knowledge doesn’t exist then it is a mater of going to original sources, such as papers, notebooks, or setting up experiments to gather raw data, formulating theories and testing them…..


Given the subject you are interested in I'd start with a general book like "Madness : A Brief History by Roy Porter". Follow up the bibliography, and those mentioned in the text.

 


Best of luck

Seán

:-)  

Post Edited (SMSIRL) : 1/19/2006 9:21:42 PM (GMT-7)

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