bipolar disorder and VPX REDLINE ENERGY DRINK!

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kungfutaxifool
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   Posted 5/16/2006 1:42 AM (GMT -7)   
i am very attracted to VPX Redline energy drink. the energy effects, as well as the weight loss are very attractive to me. i am 17 years old and was diagnosed with bipolar about 12 months ago. im on provigil, depakote, and efexor (spelling?). VPX Redline is a very powerful drink and after some research, i found that it could be potentially dangerous to mental health disorders. has anyone with bipolar tried this drink or know someone who has? my dad is VERY against me taking this energy drink, and im somewhat hesitant, and want to do my research before saying yes or no. the average person if taking this drink properly would be fine. but im not an average person, i have a disorder, and am on medication. its taken me 10 months to get to where i am now mentally (which is actually pretty good!) and i dont want to screw anything up, but i really want to know the effects of this drink on bipolar. PLEASE HELP ME!!!
 
!!! confused !!! confused !!! confused !!!

Ellie 1
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   Posted 5/16/2006 6:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Welcome to Healingwell.
I must say that I agree with your father. The effects of the drink with your meds are unknown. I don't believe it to be worth the chance. I too would like to find a quick weight loss miracle. I'm not willing to compromise my health though.
Take Care
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whitedog
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   Posted 5/16/2006 7:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Ellie:
 
DON'T DRINK THE STUFF!!!!!!
 
If you don't mind an opinion on weight loss, please spend some time checking out weight loss blogs and notice how many people start out at a normal or near normal weight thinking they're fat and end up dieting themselves  to 300 lbs.   It's very unpopular not to be watching your weight, but God created our bodies in such a way that they'll fight you every step of the way due to the weight regulating mechanism in the brain that determines what you need to weigh to be healthy.  Dieting is metabolic disaster no matter what anyone says--the formula, food consumed - calories burned + weight loss breaks down after a few weeks and leads to obsessions with food, eating disorders, binges, etc., etc.  Your body overrides any will-power. 
 
If you find that you gain weight on Depakote, might look into Lamictal--I've lost a few pounds on it and prefer it to Depakote.  Also, I think [or at least in my case] Effexor also caused a slight weight loss.
 
PLEASE DON'T RUIN YOUR HEALTH!!!!! 
 
 
Hayley


clic
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   Posted 5/16/2006 8:50 PM (GMT -7)   
hey guys
 
does this have lotsa caffeine or something, like Red Bull? I would avoid it like the plague if it does. If it is loaded full of caffeine it will do nothing but make you miserable, and all of that hard work you put in will be for not. Caffeine aggravates, and could trigger mania/hypomania, and when you come down from that, comes the depression...we all remember the cycle all too well I think. I think you are on the right track "kung" (your name is so long!)-avoid the drink! workout and eat well!
 
Best wishes,
S

kungfutaxifool
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   Posted 5/16/2006 9:04 PM (GMT -7)   
yes, in alot of aspects i agree with alot of you. earlier this year i played football for my varsity football team for my own intrest and at my psychologist and psyciatrists request. it was a blast, and i was in the best shape in my entire life (ranked first in state!!!). i had some fat on me, but i was buff, 6'4 and around 210lbs. this is where i want to be. as soon as football ended i went from wellbutrin to effexor, and in a little over a month i lost most of my muscle, and gained 50lbs. i weighed 260. i started weightwatchers, but have only lost 4 lbs in almost 2 months. i am still active as i play basketball for an hour everyday, and badminton occationally. i dont feel that dieting or using suppliments will make me diet to 300lbs like a few posts above, but i do feel that it can help if using the RIGHT suppliments, and this highly concentrated caffine, 5-HTP, CAMP, Yohimbine HCL, and Vinpocentine mix is the right one(those are the supplements in the drink that "scare" me), even after hearing amazing results. ALL replys are highly appreciated, as i take all opinions into account. i am VERY openminded at the moment :)

clic
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   Posted 5/17/2006 8:39 AM (GMT -7)   

open minded is good!

Let me just add this though...before I started treatment, I ate whatever I wanted and never exercised. I weighed 110 lbs on a 5'4 frame and could never gain a pound. On this cocktail that makes me sane I gained 45 pounds and spend a great deal of time resenting my new body and my drugs and want a quick fix to the old me. So, I totally know how you feel. I haven't tried diet and exercise tho, so that wll be first step. Still, don't do the drink, lol! nono

Take care!

S


kungfutaxifool
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   Posted 5/17/2006 9:35 PM (GMT -7)   
i appreciate everyones replys and opinions, but im looking for more of a scientific approach than a moral or ethical approach. my question is more of a chemical scientific question than an ethical question, any ideas?

whitedog
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   Posted 5/18/2006 7:52 AM (GMT -7)   
If you want to research that sort of thing and you're interested in weight control, medication and this drink, look into the set point theory of weight control.  Might also check out something called the weight regulating mechanism discussed in an old book called How to Lower your Fat Thermostat. 
 
Both theories are based on the fact that your body is much more complex than the simple calories consumed - calories used += weight gain/loss.  They hold that our bodies maintain a certain weight by increasing or decreasing our appetite till the desired weight is achieved or in most cases, maintained.
 
Some medications cause your set-point to go up or down and result in weight gain or loss.  When I started Lamictal, I lost about 5 pounds without doing a thing--lost my appetite till the weight came off then slowly regained it.  Sadly, Depakote probably raises the set-point in most people as a weight gain of around 10 to 15 pounds is normal on it. 
 
That energy drink might have something in it that lowers the set-point.  The old diet pills that were little more than speed worked by lowering the set-point, but once they were discontinued, the set-point reset itself and the weight came back.
 
Hope this gives you a few things to think about and research in your quest for info.
Hayley


kungfutaxifool
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   Posted 5/19/2006 8:24 PM (GMT -7)   
awesome ill look into it more

lazy
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   Posted 5/25/2006 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   
 From a scientific standpoint, most of these weightloss, energizing drinks, pills, supplements, whatever form they come in, have some form of thermogenic component which in essence is speed and some form of  "natural herb" like  you would find in some teas.  Just because it is natural doesn't make it good for you.  For example, digoxin, which is a heart medicine is from an herb.  And of course, as others have mentiioned, lots of caffeine.  Those of us with BP have enough natural speed in our brains already. I vote with your dad.  Stay away from that stuff. 

kungfutaxifool
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   Posted 6/5/2006 1:21 PM (GMT -7)   
any more sugjestions?

lovely_dove
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   Posted 6/11/2006 5:47 PM (GMT -7)   
My conclusion : DO NOT DRINK IT

My reasoning : + Energy weight loss drinks work by boosting your metabolism. They also boost your energy, so you feel less hungry.
+ They also boost everything else, including your mood.
+ Drastic and unnatural boosts to your mood will cause a bipolar person to crash.
+ Crashing will make you eat more. (and feel like crap)

My suggestion: A natural change in lifestyle.

A quick fix: Hypnotism, and change your meds!

- I am 19, and have battled severe bipolar for YEARS. I used to be on meds (like depakote) that make you fat. There are other options out there, such as seroquel, that do cause weight gain, but less severly. If something is not working for you ... change it! This change for me, significantly helped me lose weight, and helped my mood. I'm not suggesting seroquel. I'm suggesting that you play around and find something that works, don't expect something that is not working, to suddenly kick in. (I learned the hard way)

-Two months ago, I decided to see a different psychologist. She was great in general, but happened to be internationally recognized in hypnotism. Do not dismiss me as a big hippie!! IT WORKED. Nothing drastic, nothing unnatural. I slowly stopped picking up the fork as much, and started to go to the gym. I have since lost 30 pounds.

A lifestyle change is the best way to lose weight, permanently. I could not have changed my bad habits without help. and hypnotism did it.
Best part, my hypnotherapist has a PHD. So its covered by my insurance.

If you can find a good hypnotherapist, do it. Everything varies from person to person. But you will never know unless you try. and dont play around with energy drinks! Yea it could work temporarily, but its not the kind of change you need to succeed. Its also going to %^& with your mood. And you dont want that. yuck.

benguy101
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   Posted 8/25/2007 1:03 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi,

I am 24 years old and I was diagnosed with Bipolar I disorder in February this year. I was put into hospital and then put on Epilim and Respiridone. I noticed a few months later I lost alot of energy, felt drowsy, gained 15 kilos and lost my alertness.

My opinion is take 1 drink a day whenever you need the energy of it the most - if you're going to an important event, or feel like a boost.

Its been 6 months since I've come out of hospital and I am doing much  better now, I've slimmed down, I have more energy - (I exercise and diet alot) and I have the occassional energy drink.

But be careful. Anymore than 1 drink a day could trigger mania.

Best of luck

Ben


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   Posted 8/25/2007 4:55 PM (GMT -7)   
There's very little evidence associating caffeine intake with mania. Just about none, actually. There is, however, a condition known as caffeinism that looks a lot like mania. Lots of anecdotal stuff, but I haven't found a study that really proves it. The reason is that unlike traditional stimulants (cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine) caffeine has little to no effect on dopamine. Dopamine is the neurotransmitter that is the most obvious culprit in mania. Long term, or even short term, use of cocaine or amphetamines may result in a stimulant psychosis that can't be told apart from "real" psychosis. Add to that the stimulating effects, and you have something that looks exactly like mania- starting out with mild stimulation, then major stimulation and eventually yeilding to a psychotic stimulation. That's pretty much how mania develops in most people.

Is it possible that caffeine could cause mania directly? I doubt it. Through secondary effects, like it causing you to sleep less, I suppose it's possible.

There's really no way to say anything like [quote]But be careful. Anymore than 1 drink a day could trigger mania.
because without having any idea of what you weight, how much caffeine you take in normally, your general physical health, and (probably most importantly) unapparent, unusual predisposition to the effects of stimulants, blanket statements like that are really useless.

The problem with this drink isn't so much it's caffeine content- but the concentration. One serving equals a caffeine content a bit on the high side, but nothing spectacular. With the concentrated version (not sold at 7/11s, but available at health food stores) 4ml is equal to what the half-a-can-o-soda / serving version would give. 4ml isn't much! It would be extremely easy to overdose were it not for the incredibly disgusting taste of such purified alkaloids. Think: chewing vivarin tablets.

The combination of high doses of caffeine with yohimbine might pose more of a problem than most energy drinks. I really can't say. I believe yohimbine is a vasopressor and vasoconstrictor. The combination of increased heart rate and narrowed veins can drastically raise heart rate and lead to heart attacks.

Combining this with Provigil (Modafinil) has to potential to be quite dangerous, however. Adding stimulant on top of stimulant on top of stimulant is a recipe for a heart attack. It's like smoking meth, shooting coke and attempting to run a marathon. Strong stimulant plus strong vasopressor = bad things. Provigil is definitely not a strong stimulant, though for some reason it is scheduled (though I've never seen anything to indicate a need for that, especially when there are certainly unscheduled pharmaceuticals with much more potential for abuse and diversion) and I haven't read much (read: anything) about it's effect on heart rate, food intake or blood pressure. The combo might be fine, it might be quite bad. There's really no way to know from just this.

If you're really intent on trying it, be sure to care for your heart. I think your best bet would be to try a low-dose and check your blood pressure and heart rate before even considering going to what they consider a full dose. Then, even if you do- have those checked fairly regularly. And definitely consult a
doctor. There's a lot of information out there that deals.

serafena
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   Posted 8/25/2007 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I just want to point out that the original post date on this topic was over a year ago. Not that it's not a relevant discussion, but I don't think the original poster is still looking for our advice. I made the same mistake earlier before realizing it.

That doesn't mean that talking about dietary supplements isn't worthwhile though...

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   Posted 8/30/2007 4:40 PM (GMT -7)   
benguy,

Welcome to the HW family, I am glad you found us. I hope you find the support you are looking for here.

I am with serafena on the old post thing. It is not an insignificant post, just very old.

I don't know about caffeine and weight loss together. I have heard from my doc that caffeine actually slows down your metabolism. There must be something else in the drink that works as a dietary supplement.
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   Posted 7/9/2010 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
nono    You should not consume this beverage!  It is extremely dangerous!  The dosage of caffeine is more than anyone should take at one time!  The label is so misleading!  You are actually getting double the dose of caffeine which raises your heartbeat too quickly!!  This is even more dangerous if you have an unknown heart defect or other underlying symptom. 
 
My boyfriend drank this drink regularly and he ended up in the hospital!  We are filing a class action lawsuit with Howard Rubinstein (howardr@pdq.net). If you have purchased and used this product, then you may also file a claim.  Just send him an email or call him at 832-715-2788.

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   Posted 9/16/2010 11:48 AM (GMT -7)   
redline has a somewhat movel apraoch to creating "energy" as far as energy drinks are concerned. Redline uses n acetyl -tyrosine and tyramine plus some herbal extracts and a moderate amount of caffiene. The amino acids are to produce dopamine. The role of dopamine in drug seeking behaviour is not well understood, but what is understood is that there is a difference in people with bi-polar disorder and dopamine matabolism. Also, I would caution you seriously about the amino acid tyramine as this can cause a hypertensive crisis if combined with mao inhibitors. Mono amine oxidase is a system that our body uses to detox amine related drugs and protiens. The system also breaks down dopamin and other nurotransmitters. MAO inhibiters allow more dopamine to accumulate as it is not being broken down. Some drugs to treat depression and manic disorders were mao inhibiting. Most of them have fallen out of favor for selective seratonin and epinephrine inhibitors, such as effexor. I do not care for these drugs like effexor as they can become quite addictive, and are often used to counteract the sysmtoms of other psychiatric drugs that cause depression. I would evaluate what drugs you are taking and find out what drugs are being used to counter act side effects of other drugs. I would imagine that many of you meds could be removed and replaced with a wholistic nutritional protocol.

As far as the redline goes, you might be attracted to it as it does seem to release a good deal of dopamine which in turn will raise your level of mono amine oxidase, thus creating the situation where could swing in to a depressive phase. Use it with caution and look in to getting some specific amino acids and b-vitamin supplementation.

Seek advice from a qualified wholistic M.D. in your area.

shaymuscrow
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   Posted 9/16/2010 11:57 AM (GMT -7)   
http://bipolar-disorder.emedtv.com/depakote/depakote-and-weight-gain.html

depakote can cause weight gain and estrogen increase.

http://www.psycheducation.org/hormones/vpadata.htm

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   Posted 9/16/2010 8:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Suggestions.. hmmm.  It took me about 2 years to find the right meds for me.  Most of them will make you gain weight.  There are some that don't.  We tried those and they worked.  Don't be afraid to try different meds.

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   Posted 2/17/2011 11:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello, I know you wrote this post in 2006. I'd like to know how you are doing now. I know for a fact that 3 or more energy drinks in one day will bring on a manic episode in my son.
I hope you are well and dealing with your condition. I can trace our family's bi-polar condition on my mother's side for four generations. Cinamon
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