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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/10/2006 11:54 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been on a nice mix of lamictal, lithium, and remeron for a few years. But in the past two weeks I can't sleep again. Its not like the mania I had before, but just unable to sleep. Doc suggested I increase my lithium by 400mg . Hasn't worked. Any suggestions besides counting sheep?

Ellie 1
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   Posted 9/11/2006 12:15 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know, to tell you the truth. It's 2 am here and I'm still up too. Been an eventful night. In fact my 3 yr old is up as well. They say warm milk helps, but you couldn't pay me to drink the nasty slime. I just gave it up and turned on the television. I'll pay for it tomorrow.
I would call the doc and tell him his little idea didn't work and ask him what the next brilliant idea might be.
I have to be up at 7 so I probably won't go to bed tonight. I occasionally do this. Then I'm right back on my normal schedule. How long have you been dealing with the insomnia?
By the way, Welcome to Healingwell, it's always nice to have someone to talk to when you can't sleep in the wee hours.
Take Care
Ellie
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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/11/2006 12:27 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello late night traveller!

I have been unable to sleep at any length for 2 weeks now. 2-3 hours a day, not always at night. And, we must be in the same time zone.

Mind is going off like a flash cube, thinking of everything from the Krebs cycle to Otis Campbell. Used to like this, because I thought I got alot of work done.

Sorry to hear your three year old is up, if it is any consolation, I am sure my 21 yr old is up as well.

This is such a neat place. I checked into some other boards and they were awful. I already feel very welcome here. Thank you.

Thanks
Cap
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


Ellie 1
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   Posted 9/11/2006 1:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Oooooooo, sounds like you need perhaps a different med. If adjusting the lithium isn't doing it, it may not be working anymore, something obviously isn't. It may not be mania...yet, but that may be just around the corner. I've often wondered if mania came from lack of sleep or if the insomnia was created by the mania. No pdoc has ever had a straight answer for that one.
BTW, my 21 year old is probably down for the count, shes got two babies, but the 24 year old, thats anybodys guess, lol.
Take Care Cap
Ellie
Good judgement comes from experience and alot of that comes from bad judgement.
 
You just have to accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue. 
 


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/11/2006 1:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Capnin,

Welcome to HW! It's really nice to meet you -- and great to see you on the Happy Thread too! :)

Wow, was this catching last night???! I went to bed at 12, couldn't sleep, played games on my mobile phone, couldn't sleep, watched tv, couldn't sleep. Finally got there at about 5am, up at 7.30. I should have just turned on the computer and joined you guys here... except that I'm in the UK, so you had a few more hours to wait before the insomnia! Lucky us, eh.

I've read that disrupted sleep is a big bp trigger for mania, but then it gets into vicious circle territory as when you get manic you stop feeling like you need sleep. I suppose the defining difference is that whilst still not manic you're tired but can't sleep, when manic you're not tired and don't sleep. But that may be over-simplifying, I don't know!

How long have you been on the increased lithium Capnin? I guess it may take a little while for that to help ... but you may already have been on it a little while. Both you and Ellie really need to get to your psychiatrists and make these guys think a bit more I reckon. I know these meds can take a bit of tweaking and adding to when cycles creep up (and in the early stages of treatment ... and at other random times ... great huh?!). I think it's time to tweak and/or add again.

So glad you had each other at this bad time. Hugs to yas.

Take care,

Rosie x
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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/11/2006 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I actually got to sleep this morning! Slept like a baby for about an hour. Did watch a beautiful storm early this morning. Lots of heat lightning, unusual for this time of year.

I've been on the increased lithium for about four days now. Pdoc seems to think this is the quickest way to break me out of this hypomania. I believe this is the first episode I've had since being diagnosed.

Remeron (mirtazapine) used to knock me out in 10 minutes. I may have dreamed this, but I thought I heard somewhere that a lower dosage promotes more drowsiness than a larger dose. Is that true?

And I cannot say enough times how great it is to be here! I feel truly welcome! I hope that I can show support here to someone else as you all have shown me.

Very, very glad to be here

Cap
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/11/2006 8:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Cap,
 
I love storms too -- lucky you!!
 
Your pdoc may well be right about the lithium increase -- I've read that this can really work, though it may take a few more days to really break the episode.
 
Are you still on Remeron? I ask because my (bipolar) ex's pdoc put him on this (only realised when you mentioned mirtazapine cos the Remeron brand name isn't as commonly used here) and I then discovered it's not approved for bipolar -- even says so on their webpage!! http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/mirtaz_wcp.htm -- Why don't docs know this???!! Or maybe they know something I don't (hm... just a chance, eh?!); either way, I wish they'd explain! tongue I don't know about the lower/higher dosages and drowsiness ... but I bet someone here will!
 
Do you get Benelyn or Benedryl over there (USA?)? Benelyn always used to send me to sleep, and I've known others post about Benedryl (same thing, different name?). Oh, and Piriton (antihistamine tablets) make me feel drowsy too. Something there might work!
 
I'm so glad you came here -- does help doesn't it? -- one way or another there's normally *somebody* else on, whether it's due to insomnia or the different time zones! I bet you'll be helping others in no time. -- I became a right chatterbox when I got here -- which is a little unusual for me as I'm often a hiding sort of bod! scool (me hiding behind glasses!)
 
Take care,
 
Rosie x
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People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/11/2006 8:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Ho Counter

First off, glad to make your acquaintance, Rosie!

Yes, I am still on Remeron.

I checked your link. That is scary! I never knew that, just figured Pdoc knew what was going on. I will bring that up with Pdoc next appt.

I was initially diagnosed with ADD and given Wellbutrin XL which sent me into bad depression, hospital for a few weeks. I had told that first Pdoc of family history of suicides in previous generations but I believe she ignored that. Although suicide is no laughing matter whatsoever, my family often spoke of these suicides because many were quite creative. I won't go into that though because it would be counterproductive.

I've tried benedryl but to no avail. Good suggestion though. Given up coffee, soda pop, unable to give up cigarettes. Hasn't worked.

This place does help, I feel better already. I don't speak about this too much with my wife, it tends to scare her. She is my angel, why she stuck with me through all this is a great mystery to me. I often tell her I am the one with BP, but she is the one that suffers with it.

Thanks so much for just being here

Cap
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/11/2006 11:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Cap,

Oh, you and me both on the cigarettes! :( One day, one day...!

Gosh, I know bp isn't as common as depression and add but I really wish they'd screen people better for this before chucking meds at them. Anti-depressants on their own can send bp people all over the place (as is happening with my ex, who binned his first pdoc and now seems to be going through the whole diagnosis phase again, just on an anti-d ... and in a hypomanic phase... grrr). Misdiagnosis can lead to some really terrible consequences -- I'm just glad you're ok and passed that now -- even if things aren't whoopsie-do great right now (and if they were we'd all be thinking "mania", right?!! -- isn't this illness a joy?!).

I'm really pleased you feel comfortable here. It's a great place to come. You and your wife are both welcome to email me any time. As I say, it's my ex who has the illness, not me -- ex/partner on off since this all started (gets fairly confusing... again, this illness is a joy!?!). I found that reading about the condition and chatting to people here helped me understand better and took the scary out of it. Good on your wife for sticking with you -- person first, illness just a part of that person, when it comes to love -- and that's how it should be. :)

It really is nice to meet you too.

Rosie x
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People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

********************

 
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wmnak
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   Posted 9/11/2006 9:05 PM (GMT -7)   
when i told my pdoc that i was having problems sleeping, he just rxed sleeping pills.  i became addicted to them, so went cold turkey on my own (i only see the pdoc about every 3-6 mos).  i was awake for about 2-3 days until i became regular again.  i am now having poblems sleeping again (it's 11:00 om), but have resisted sleeping pills for the last week.  sorry, i did take one a few days ago.  but i'd rather have natural sleep (even if it's from exhaustion) than medicated sleep.
 
once i took 2 lortab and 2 darvocets which i take for chronic back pain.  i fell asleep, but my pdoc wasn't very pleased.  i don't recommend this method.  dangerous is british understatement.
 
i wish you well.  i'll be seeing a pdoc next week and hope that he can help me.  hope yours helps you.
 
and you are very welcome here.  nice to have another guy in the house. :-)    your wife sounds like mine.  true jewels.
 
warren

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   Posted 9/12/2006 6:25 AM (GMT -7)   
WOW!!! It is contagious.  For the last few nights I can't seem to fall asleep and then I'm up early (although, I have nothing to do).
 
Seems like I'm tired, just exhausted, but buzzing around and when I go to bed, the anxiety sets in.
 
I was on Ambien, I was taking two along with .5 Ativan and 2-Tylenol PM and still nothing.  Yesterday, pdoc changed me to Restoril 15 1-2 at bedtime, I took one waited then took the other, along with the Ativan and eventually the Tylenol PM.  Apparently, at some point I dosed off.
 
Does anyone try journaling before bedtime?  Sometimes getting your thoughts out of your mind on onto papers seems to let you relax.  I used to do that and it worked, but then I forgot to do it.  Maybe I'll remember tonight.
 
Sweet dreams to all tonight, hopefully.
 
 
Rosa
 
Today's problems will tomorrow be in the past.  One day at at time.


CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/13/2006 4:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi All

The increase in lithium dosage has helped! I slept very well last night. I think I have moved off the hypomania. Wow, I feel really good. I think this site has helped as well.
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/13/2006 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm *so* chuffed for you Cap -- this is great news!! Wonderful that you're off the hypomania and feeling good in yourself. As Hannibal would say, "I love it when a plan comes together" (A-Team reference -- sorry!)!

Rosie x
********************

People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

********************

 
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wmnak
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   Posted 9/13/2006 7:16 PM (GMT -7)   
rosie, a-team was an american show. :)

luv,

warren

CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/14/2006 2:18 AM (GMT -7)   
I know, but who could resist?! :) "I'm not gettin on no plane, you crazy fool." (Murdoch hands BA a glass of milk ... thud).

Rosie x
********************

People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

********************

 
Co-Moderator, Bipolar Forum


wmnak
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   Posted 9/14/2006 2:12 PM (GMT -7)   
figured that you knew, rosie.  just being tacky.  weren't they great?  i often wonder who was really crazy.
 
warren
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