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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/11/2006 1:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Everyone remembers what they were doing this day five years ago. On that day, we were all Americans, there was no distinguishing us from any other. Regardless of your beliefs, opinions, or anything else, we all mourn again today. And the world mourns with us.
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/11/2006 2:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for posting this Cap. Beautifully put. Yes, I remember that day well. The world changed. Less security, certainly. But I can't help thinking that there's more compassion too, more recognition of the suffering of others. Yes, we do mourn. We mourn the loss of lives, and the loss with them of hopes and dreams. I guess it leaves us with a responsibility too -- not to let our own hopes and dreams slip away: that day serves as a reminder that, hard as it is, life is precious. That probably means more to people here who have had suicidal thoughts than to many. Every day I come to this forum restores my faith in the humanity that people can show towards each other, and proves our need for connection to survive. In a world that it's hard to live in sometimes, you guys give me a reason because none of you give up on the precious lives you have. Today is a good day to remember the living as well as the dead.

Sorry if that sounded a bit preachy. -- It's been a long few days and this struck a pensive chord.

Love to you all,

Rosie x
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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/11/2006 6:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Not at all preachy, but very soothing. We all mourn for what we lost that day. Many lost family members, the rest of us lost our invinciblity. When mortality makes a call on us, how does one react? If faced alone,that mortality is met with fear, anger, or sometimes apathy. But when we face it together, it makes us all stronger, and closer.
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


wmnak
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   Posted 9/11/2006 8:48 PM (GMT -7)   
lost my last post.  let me try again.  everyone has expressed my feelings concerning 9/11 beautifully.  after the collapse of the twin towers, my wife and i drove until we fould firefighters collecting $.  we donated more than we could afford.  we're americans.  $ is easy to give.  it is the ones who crawled on hands and knees into the rubble looking for survivors but finding little more than body parts who really have my admiration.  they went in, some paid and many unpaid, at great risk to their lives and health to help.  true heros.  the rest of us are witnesses.
 
maybe it's my age or maybe it's just the life i've lived, but i am also angry.  i am angry at the sick americans who attacked muslem-americans, blindly striking out without reason.  and some say we on this forum are crazy.  i am angry at some american soldiers and their leaders who have abused iraqui civilians and prisoners.  i pray that this is not a return to the "it's only a gook" mentality that many soldiers developed in viet nam.  finally i am angry at this administration.  the entire world was behind us after 9/11.  they squandered it.  a senate intelligence committee report released today says that there never were and wmd in hueesin's iraque and that hussein had total distain for al quida:  there never was a link between 9/11 and husien.  we were lied to and manipulated.  once again, are we crazy or are the ones guarding this assylem nuts?
 
sorry to rain on a good parade.  just trying to bring balance.
 
warren

CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/12/2006 10:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren

There are Americans that do horrible things, and it makes us all angry.

But there is a United States that is more prevalent than our government. It stays quiet for a while, then shows up when other Americans are hurting. It is people, like you and your wife, who contribute anytime another American is in need. If it is left up to the government, it will be screwed up regardless of who is in power. Just look at Katrina, both Republicans and Democrats were inept. But individual Americans and private relief organizations stepped up, and in fact were hampered by our own government.

After Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yammamto said, " I fear all we did was awoke a sleeping giant." The giant he referred to was not our government, armed forces, or a political party. It was all the average, typical Americans in the United States.

I'll tell you the story of my experience with the Murrah Building bombing someday, too long and not enough time right now.

My point is, in this great country, there are more people like you than people like them. Unfortunately it doesn't make good news copy to report on the true Americans. The relief effort required people to go in harms way to crawl, looking for survivors. But it also required people to help out with the tremendous cost of the operation. Your contirbution was as heroic as any other. As one American to another, I thank you.

Your friend

Cap
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.

Post Edited (CapninHapnin) : 9/12/2006 11:56:18 AM (GMT-6)


lazy
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   Posted 9/12/2006 10:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I didn't think of using this site as our own memorial to 9/11...but yes, I remember exactly what I was doing on that day.  I have watched "The Path to 9/11" and "The Twin Towers" and numerous other shows that have been aired over the past few days.  It is all very scary. I think we all felt vulnerable on that day...and many of us still do when we think about it.  And, Warren, I am crazy, but not as crazy as many so called "normal" people.  Seems like our government has been lacking in the common sense department.

wmnak
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   Posted 9/13/2006 12:16 AM (GMT -7)   
thank yo cap, and lazy, for your kind words.  i don't feel like a hero.  i am an american and usually i'm proud of it.  we are the most generous people that this world has ever seen.  we give to other americans in need, as with 9/11 and katrina, and we give to people around the world who are in need.  i'm jewish but found a group of evangical christians who were making a big difference in africa.  my wife and i, living only on disability, scrounged together a donation.  that's the way we're built.  no thanks expected or reauired.  i agree, most americans are that way.
 
but we are not a homogenious county.  e plurabus unum.  (at this time of the morning, i'm lucky to remember any latin).  our government sucks.  their first job is to get re-elected.  they are owned by big business and (sadly) more and more by big religion.  why?  to fulfill their first objective.  sick.  we are manipulated and lied to and abused by our elected representatives - of both parties.  their handling of 9/11 was abismal at best.  their handling of their pay raises is stellar.  makes me sick.
 
my rant isn't political is it?  hope not.  maybe, just maybe, we are a "sleeping giant."  i hope so and we deserve better.
 
warren

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   Posted 9/13/2006 2:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,

I'm using my discretion on the "political" rule, Warren, as it seems to me that what has been said is to do with frustration at politicians in general reather than promotion of a political point of view (which, yes, I'd have to edit!). All fine so far. It's part of our memories of 9/11.

Rosie x
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People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

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CapninHapnin
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   Posted 9/13/2006 9:11 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi All

I am sorry if my posts implied a political viewpoint. I in no way intended this for that purpose. I do not discuss my politics, because it is such a polarizing issue. If someone disagrees with me, I will never convince them to my viewpoint, or vice-versa. Only causes dissention, even among friends.

And Warren, I don't care if you disclaim it, your still a hero in my book.

Once again, I apologize.

Cap
I want "I wish I had one more day to spend at the office" on my tombstone.


CounterClockwise
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   Posted 9/13/2006 11:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Cap -- No need to apologise at all. What I said in my previous post goes for all the posts in this thread, I just made the comment with Warren in mind cos he'd raised the question of the rules. My feeling is that we're all good on this rule in this thread. So no more apologies for this, ok! As I say, frustration with how things have been played by those with the power to do real good is part of our remembering of 9/11, because 9/11 is as much about what's happened since as it is about that day itself.

Rosie x
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People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

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wmnak
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   Posted 9/13/2006 6:56 PM (GMT -7)   
cap,
 
thanks, again, for those kind words.  they mean a lot to me.  i agrree with you about agueing politics.  it's like argueing religion.  you'll never convince me and i'll never convince you.  all that we can do is generate heat and dissention.
 
you and rosie are both right.  i AM frustrated with the american government.  at the time the Constitution was written, elected officials were called "representatives" and "public servants."  somehow, those titles have been replaced by the self-serving term "leaders."  i've got a wife who leads me better than they ever could hope to!
 
glad we're agreed about our interpretation of the Rules.
 
warren

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   Posted 9/14/2006 2:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I vote Martha for President! (Now that really *could* sound like political promotion -- better stop right there!) :)

Rosie x
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People are not like fish: they do not work well battered.

When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded...

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wmnak
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   Posted 9/14/2006 2:18 PM (GMT -7)   
she doesn't want to be president. she wants to be Dictator For Life. :)  OFF WITH THEIR HEAADS!!!
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