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Allbad
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   Posted 2/7/2007 12:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm new to the board and have a question for anyone that takes lithium or knows anything about it. I have been taking this crap for about four years and have been on various anti depressants over that time. I am not taking anything but lithium now. Over the last few weeks I have been decreasing the daily dose in hopes that I will not have any problem and can get off of everything. I take two 900mg does per day totalling 1800mg per day. What would be an appropriate rate to decrease daily amount? Thanks for the help

smiler
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   Posted 2/7/2007 6:10 AM (GMT -7)   

WAMT10 , welcome to our Healng Well family - as one of our members said ; we put the FUN back in dysFUNctional tongue

OK , now this is the bit you were expecting , but didn't want to hear - you must not do this without medical supervision. You need to be monitored while coming off meds. Were you suicidal before taking lithium , as these feelings can return. Please contact your doc so they can help you come off your meds safely. 

I know I sound like mother hen  nono but I'm only looking out for your best interests :-)

Take care , let us know how you are & keep posting ,

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Allbad
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   Posted 2/7/2007 5:10 PM (GMT -7)   
NO, your right that's not what I wanted to hear. I hate my doctor and am not asking for his help in any kind of way.  I know I need to find a new doctor but I keep thinking I can do it on my own. I am convinced that if I can ward off the anxiety I'll be ok. I have not been manic for quite some time now and this lithium is making me uninterested in all people and activities. I am simply existing and have had enough.
 
I am very easily agitated to the point of rage sometimes over things that would not usually p*** me off so badly. I really need to be on an anxiety med. Xanex is the only one that I have found that works well but the only doctor's I've been to will not prescribe it because of my past drinking history. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance

Post Edited By Moderator (smiler) : 2/8/2007 10:14:29 AM (GMT-7)


smiler
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   Posted 2/8/2007 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   

Deffinitely get yourself another doc if you're not getting on with the one you have.

When you had xanax before did you abuse it? If not , and , if you show them you are abstaining from alcohol I can't see any reason that they couldn't give you single dose prescriptions or something....so that you couldn't posess enough at one time to abuse it.

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wmnak
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   Posted 2/8/2007 9:36 PM (GMT -7)   
i would like to add my welcome to hw and to the bp forum.  i hope and pray that you are able to find what you need (not necessarily what you want) here.  if not here, then somewhere soon.
 
unless you are a "lurker" (someone who reads threads but does not enter posts), you don't know me.  if smiler is your mothe hen, then i am your great-grandfather.  believe me, i have your best interests in my heart.  i am jus too old and too tired to give a rat's a** about how people take what i have to say.  like the umpire says, "i calls them like i sees them."
 
you have a life-long illness.  it is a chemical imballance in the brain.  it is perhaps most easily likened to diabetis.  just as my wife cannot stop taking metformin for the rest of her life, you and i cannot stop taking meds for bp.  being "strong" about coping with this illness is another form of insanity.  strong has nothing to do with it.  did you know that a tornado can punch a blade of grass into an oak tree?  yes, grass is known for being giving and oak is known for bering hard.  but the power of the tornado (BP) overcomes everything.
 
you NEED meds to live, just like you need food and water and air.  get used to it.  i don't know how old you are, but i suspect that you will be on these meds for many, many yrs.  you have two choices.  you can curse it or you can welcome it for helping to keep you functional.  i hope that you welcome them.
 
warren
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Allbad
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   Posted 2/11/2007 5:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the advice.  I am well aware of the fact that I "need" to be on some form of medication but this one is not the one for me.  I am not totally convinced that if I was never put on this med then I would not have the disoreder in the first place if I even do. I think the only problem I have is severe anxiety. I was diagnosed with bipolar by two doctors that are out of touch with al patients and reality because of their age. (70-75 yrs old) I am not sure they should even have a license. I am decrease the lithium very slowly. Hopefully at my next visit I can get put on an anti anxiety med.  I have not abused xanex in the past but I think that is what they think might happen. I am not going to continue life in this uneventful, unexcitable, miserable state any longer so a change must happen soon. Hopegully it will be for the better not worse.

wmnak
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   Posted 2/11/2007 8:11 PM (GMT -7)   
wamt,
 
i pick up a lot of resentment/anger/rage in your posts.  these emotions are typical of bp.  i get them (mostly rage) frequently.  my psychiatrist (pdoc) says that it's from the depression; i thought it was from the mania.  what do i know?  i'm just living it the best wa i can - just like you.
 
as nyou know, bp is characterized by cycling from a state of "high" or euphoria to a state of depression.  mood stabelizers, such as lithium, which i have been on since 2001) do just that:  they stabelize your mood.  they do not make you hyper nor do they make you depressive.  the description that you have provided in your posts suggests that you are in a depressive episode and have been for some time.  the appropriate rx for depression is an antidepressent.  if your pdocs cannot see this and act appropriatly, fire their a**es!  i've done it with more than one dr (for chronic pain, not for bp).
 
blaiming the lithium is like - and i hope i don't step on too many toes here - blaiming the gun when someone has been shot.  the gun gunctioned perfectly. some gd idiot pulled the trigger inappropriatly.   PLEASE don't be like that fool who blaimes the gun.  the lithium is fundtioning perfectly.  you need another medication to work with the lithium.
 
find another pdoc who is compatable with you.  you must be able to trust this person totally - they have your psyche and you life in their hands.  and make finding this person your number one priotity.  more important than work.  more important than school.  more important than cleaning the house.  get the idea?
 
god bless you.  i know that you are having a very hard time riht now.  i've lived long enough to know "this, too, shall pass."
 
warren
That light at the end of he tunnel?  It's an on-coming train.
 
Some day you'll learn that a good bm is better than sex.
 
Insanity is defined as doing the same actions over and over again and expecting a different outcome.


Allbad
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   Posted 2/12/2007 1:49 PM (GMT -7)   
point taken.  I'm not sure I agree with everything you are saying but I think you are right about the fact that I need a new pdoc. I will take great pleasure in telling that guy to *%*# off. I will never believe that lithium works perfectly for anyone. I think it is simply the best they have right now and has been for some time. Hopefully I can get off this crap and start taking something else. My goal is not to compound more meds on top of this one. My ultimate goal is to get off all meds. I have taken several anti depressants and they have a minimal effect of me, and truthfully irritate the hell out of me. Anyway, you don't have to worry about stepping on toes around here, I appreciate the honest advice.--wamt

wmnak
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   Posted 2/12/2007 2:51 PM (GMT -7)   
wamt,
 
i agree with you entirely.  lithium is not a silver bullet.  the problem with bp - and i believe most illnesses - is that there is no such thing as "one size fits all."  from what i have read in this forum, sometimes it takes a yr or more to find the right "cocktail" that will alleviate your symptoms with a minimum of side effects.
 
you say that the anti-depressents that you have tried didn't work for you.  let me tell you a story (i'm jewish and we love stories :-) ).  i have chronic debilitating back pain.  several yrs ago my dr came into the examination room with a crap-eating grin on his face.  "warren," he said, "i think i have the perfect drug for your back pain."  it was ultram.  i took it and i vometed what looked like coffee groounds (don't mean to gross anybody out) for a week.  i stopped taking the med.  a  few months ago my wife went to see a dr about her neuralgia.  he rxed her ultram and the drug has helped her an aweful lot - with no side effects.
 
what works for me may well kill you and vice vera.  eaach person is unique and must find a unique set of drugs that works for them.
 
 
several yrs ago lithium was the only drug for bp and was effective fo the vast majority of cases.  unfortunately, there were some for whom lithium didn't work or who has unaccaptable side effects.  there are others, like you seem to be, who just don't like the drug.  fortunaately today there are several mood stabelizing drugs.  according to my pdoc, they all have side effects but it's a question of weighing the pros and cons.
 
get rid of those antique pdocs and place them in a musium somewhere (if any would have them).  do you have a new pdoc yet?  just pushing.  tongue
 
warren
That light at the end of he tunnel?  It's an on-coming train.
 
Some day you'll learn that a good bm is better than sex.
 
Insanity is defined as doing the same actions over and over again and expecting a different outcome.


Ducky
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   Posted 2/13/2007 8:43 PM (GMT -7)   
hey there WAMT10... how are you?
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