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sparker
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   Posted 10/9/2006 12:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I just got done reading the thread named "Always tired" by Orion82698, and I was struck by the similarities, so I have to post.
 
I'm 41, and have been suffering for 5 years now with overwhelming fatigue/tiredness.  The initial post by Orion nearly describes in verbatim my issues.  I was in great health until I suddenly started becoming more and more tired.
 
Through the previous 3 years, I've gone through every blood test, x-rays, cat scans, hearth monitors and everything else without finding a cause.  I've been checked for rheumatoid arthritis, lyme and cfs but due to my lack of real muscle or joint pain, have been ruled out.  I underwent multiple sleep tests which came back fine.  I had my testosterone levels checked, no problems.  I had an allergy test with only a mild issue with dust mites.
 
They thought depression and treated without any success.  My real depression is the lack of energy and ability to live like I used to.  I too don't experience headaches, sore throats or anything obvious.
 
Like Orion, I too work in the technology field.  I too generally seem to sleep well, and wake up feeling somewhat alright, but crash within 20-40 minutes after waking.  I also, like Orion, began experiencing all these issues after a very stressful period of my life with work, a house and a relationship falling apart.
 
At this point, I'm just existing.  I don't really do much because I don't have the energy.  The doctors make me feel like it's in my head, and most of my friends/family don't understand either.
 
Sorry such a long post, but I'm curious how Orion is coming along now, and if anyone else is in a similar stuck point in figuring out what's wrong.  At this point, I guess I'll look into the adrenal fatigue direction.

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   Posted 10/9/2006 3:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi sparker and welcome. I'm sorry you have been feeling so poorly and haven't had any success figuring out what is wrong. Hopefully Orion will see your post and he can respond since your symptoms are so similar to his. I'm hoping you feel like you at least have a little direction and a little hope after reading that Orion is actually starting to feel a little better now. I don't know enough about Adrenal Fatigue to say much about it - I know there are conflicting thoughts out there about it, so I think it's something you just need to do some research and find someone credible in the healthcare field to talk to about it. There is also the book that Orion mentioned.

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Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 6:25 AM (GMT -7)   

Sparker,

 

    Welcome to healing well. 

 

Reading your tests and your story, almost makes me feel like I'm looking into a mirror.  I too don't have sore throats, headaches.  The only pains I have is a stiff neck, that seems to always be there.  It worse in the morning, and get's better throughout the day.  My fatigue is just like you described.  I wake, and after about twenty minutes, I feel like my eyes become heavy, and I crash.  I stay like this the rest of the day.  I too use to be extremely healthy.  Eating 6 meals a day, working out every day.  However, just like you, I was EXTREMELY stressed!!!! 

 

I'm coming along alright.  My illness (adrenal fatigue) is a long process that has up's and downs.  It can take a while for people to recover from this, however step on in recovery for me was finally seeing that it's not in my head, that it's not depression, that something truely is going on in my body. 

 

My suggestion to you, is to pickup Dr. Wilson's book "Adrenal Fatigue... the 21st century stress" and also look into getting a saliva test done.  It's $150, but it's pricessless when you truely know that's going on.  Here is the link for the adrenal test kit....http://www.salivatest.com/Page.aspx?nid=12&action=view&category=2

 

You want the kit that does 5 tests.  4 saliva tests (morning, noon, evening and before bed) and one DHEA-S test. 

 

I had mine rushed shipped, so I could do it right away.  The tests came back in 2 weeks and were very detailed.  They had a complete write up from a doctors on what they found on your test.  I broke down in tears with happieness once I saw my results.  If you would like to see my post with the results, look at my post called "Finally"

Please keep me up to data as much as you can, and provide me with as much detail as possible.  I'm on here daily (almost all day long), just have been busy the past 2 weeks and haven't had much time to reply. 

Take care!!!

-O-


Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000-8000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
60mg of vitamin B6
Licorice Root (450 mg)
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day.


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 6:34 AM (GMT -7)   
Also, get onto a very healthy diet.  I know it's hard to eat right when you feel like this, but it's the best thing you can do. 
 
If you need some consultation with this, fire away.  I've worked with nutritionists, and have talked with a few pro bodybuilders on diets.  The diet is 80% of the weights loss.  I lost over 90lbs before on a health diet and workouts, and I was eating over 2000 calories a day. 
 
Also, pick up these supplements
 
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Vitamin B complex, B6, B5
Adrenal Extracts
A good multivitamin (from GNC, or VitaminShoppe)
Magnesium
 
Check out my signature for the dosages I'm taking.  Yes, you can take that much vitamin C.  You'll read all about these supplements in Dr. Wilson's book. 
 
Hold off on taking DHEA until you know where your levels are.  DHEA can be bad for you, if you're taking in too much.  I would also start out at a low dosage. 
 
 


Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day. ---I can no longer take this, due to my reaction to Echinacia root (caused a serious rash)


sparker
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   Posted 10/10/2006 8:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the welcome hippimom2. Thanks for reply Orion. So, you are making some progress towards feeling better? I would love to feel that. This morning I felt especially awake and alert and as usual the crash came on the drive into work, it's especially discouraging when I feel that coming on.

I just ordered the book and saliva test. I'm going to pick up some vitamins today as well. I'm ready to try just about anything to be honest. I've gone a year now just not trying to get better because I've given up hope. The doctors are just plain worthless because they rule out what it isn't and then say it must be depression because they can't find anything else.

I just read your Finally post. I'm excited for you that you've found something, and hopefully on the road to recovery. I remember wishing I had cancer or anything else that they could diagnose over this mystery that every doctor seems to wash their hands of.

I'll keep posting here as I progress in getting the tests and try the diet change. Thanks for the help.

Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 8:55 AM (GMT -7)   

Sparker,

 

   God..   you sound just like me.  I wish for so long that it was something bad, so people would stop making fun of me, and understand my pain.  For so long, I just wanted to be understood.  Now, granted, this start 1 year ago for me, but go worse because my diet really sucked.  I was having so many bad cravings for sugar and carbs, it was crazy.  Do you have these cravings?  Like really bad sweet cravings, or really bad salt cravings? 

How's your diet?  I cannot stress enough, and you'll read about this in Dr. Wilson book how important this is.

Your recover will be based on these things

-Diet- (no sugar, caffeine, white flour products)  Whole foods (veggies, proteins, fats, and complex carbs... brown rice, whole wheat bread, and oats).

-Supplements-   Vitamins and minierals, as well as some adrenal stuff to help you out.

-Gentel exercise-  I walk for 2-3 miles every morning, even if I feel like complete crap.

-Sleep/rest/relaxation-   Get plently of sleep.  They say you should be in bed before 10, and sleep til 9 if possible (yeah... did this guy work????  ;-)   )    Rest as much as possible.  Don't over do yourself.  Try to do something relaxing.  Enjoy yourself. 

-Good state of mind-  Even though this sucks, you have to remember to remain positive.  Stress comes in all forms.  Stressing about getting better can make you worse.

Remember, this is a long road.  If you truely do suffer form adrenal fatigue, you will need to know, this won't happen over night, and will probably take alittle over a year to feel fully recovered, depending on your severity. 

 

Remember, we're here for you.  We know what's it's like to be fatigued.  When I first came here, HippiMom2 was a great friend (Still is :-)  )  I don't know what I would have done without someone to talk to or vent to.  My Wife is great, and she too has some health issue, but doesn't feel the way I feel.  It helps when you can relate to others.  It helps when you're not alone.  You're not crazy, and the doctors are! :-)

-O-

 


Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day. ---I can no longer take this, due to my reaction to Echinacia root (caused a serious rash)


sparker
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   Posted 10/10/2006 9:21 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm usually not a sweets person, but yes, I did go through a sweets phase. I literally had 5-6 bags of those little candy bars you give out at Halloween in my desk. I would also eat chocolate chip cookies at home and other sweets.. and that is very unlike me. I haven't craved it as much lately, but like you, in the beginning I was all over the sweets.

Diet, that will be interesting eliminating sugar and white flour products. Caffeine shouldn't be a problem as I don't drink pop any longer. For a long while I was drinking 12-18 cans of Coke a day to try and stay awake, doesn't have any effect any longer.

Supplements and Vitamins, I just ordered everything you're taking online, so it's all on the way. What are the adrenal stuff you talk about? Is it just a single type of pill?

Exercise, will try to do it more regularly. Most people feel awake and energized as they exercise, I end up feeling more tired and zone out. I'm going to buy a dog to keep me company each day for my walks.

Sleep, I just started going to bed at 10 and am sleeping until around 8. Some nights I sleep well, others not.

State of mind... I'm working on that. A lot of negative things have happened due to these problems. I lost a high profile technology job, my fiance left due to my lack of energy (guess that shows she wasn't so committed), and many friends think I just need to "get better" and don't understand my situation. If I can get a sliver of hope or make any steps in recovery, I'll feel much better. Given that I'm going on 5 years of this though and I'm still fighting means I'm not giving up yet.

I appreciate the help and support, and am willing to do likewise if anyone needs someone to vent or talk to.

Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 9:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, I've always been a sweets person, but never this bad.  Yup, I was just like you until a few month ago when I realized that I've gained over 50lbs of the 90 I lost.  I was eating like 6-7 whole candy bars a day.  The sugar crash was horrible :(
 
Yup.  Get rid of the Cokes, coffee's, candy's, cakes, pies, everything.  If you want to eat it, then it's bad ;-)  No pizza, burgers, pancakes... all the things that are great to eat, but bad for us. 
 
Supplements are great!!!  You can order adrenal extracts from just about anywhere, and yup, they're just pills.  The best stuff is called Isocort, which can also be found online, and is cheap.  It's the all natural version of Corfef (hydrocorison) which requires a prescription, since it's a steriod and a natural form of cortisol.  Ofcourse, since our doctors don't believe us, or in adrenal fatiuge..  theyr'e not going to give us this stuff.  However, keep and eye out if you take the Isocort.  It contains echinacea root, which can cause rashes, and it did with me.  I had to stop taking it.  Remember not to over load on the supplements.  Shot gun approches to this don't help, and ofter leave you feeling worse.  You'll read more about this with Dr. Wilson book.
 
I feel your pain bro.  I use to exercise, and get more and more energy with every weight I lifted.  I remember the natural high I felt afterwards, like being able to take on the world.  Try not to lift weights, until you feel your energy really starting to come back.  Weight lifiting really takes a lot out of you.  I walk, do pushups, and crunches.  This will still allow serotonin to be released, and help you with your recovery.  I too walk my dogs in the morning.  He and my Wife helps me get up and out of bed for my exercise.  You'll still probably feel tired afterwards, because it's going to take time to bring your cortisol level back to normal.  This will all be explained again, in Wilsons book.
 
Good.  That's a great amount.  I too don't get great night sleeps, but it's just what you have to take. 
 
Keep fighting.  I pray these tests come back and show you your true cause.  You'll feel just like I did, and have that fire light up again to push through this.  Luckly, my Wife is a Godsend.  She's been here with me through thick and thin.  I probably would have clocked out a while back, if it wasn't for her.
 
No problem.  You'll find someone else who will need help one day.  Just remember to keep your head up, and no matter how do you get, don't slip up.  You will get better, and you will take your life back. 
 
 
Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day. ---I can no longer take this, due to my reaction to Echinacia root (caused a serious rash)


sparker
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   Posted 10/10/2006 9:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Not sure if anyone else has described how the tiredness/fatigue feels, but mine feels like it's focused right in the middle of my forehead/frontal lobe. I've described it to everyone, but it feels like a wet washcloth or towel is placed on the front of my head. It's seems like a noticeable pressure and weight. It's not a sinus issue, I've had all that checked out.

I should also add, the only other strange symptom I've had that other people haven't mentioned is sometimes my fingers/hands will get very cold. I'm normally a very high metabolism person and run hot so this is different than my norm. I've had all the normal things checked as far as circulation and all that, as usual nothing found - all normal.
Status - (just starting to fight again):
  Awaiting saliva test kit.
  Awaiting book on adrenal fatigue.
  Awaiting shipment of vitamin/supplement order.


sparker
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   Posted 10/10/2006 9:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Phew.. nearly screwed up the saliva test order. I clicked to the link, and quickly read how you said the one with 5 tests... so I saw the first one had 5 tests and then ordered it (Hormone Profile I).

Luckily I went back to the link and saw the bottom Adrenal test and was able to call and change it. Doh.
Status - (just starting to fight again):
  Awaiting saliva test kit.
  Awaiting book on adrenal fatigue.
  Awaiting shipment of vitamin/supplement order.


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 9:58 AM (GMT -7)   

Well, I feel over all week.  Like picking up a 10lb weight and carrying would feel like 100lbs.  I also feel tired around my eyes.  If I push myself too much, I get bags around my eyes (red), turn pale, and break out into cold sweats. 

I too have cold hands every once in a while.  I haven't been able to link it to anything.  I'm usually a warm/ hot person.  I also sweat very heavily.  I use to have bad night sweats, but they have seem to gone away.  No matter what climate I'm in, my under arms are always wet, to the point you can see it through my shirt.  I've always been like this, but it's gotten worse over the past year.  When I sweat, I really sweat.

My other symptoms are a stiff neck.  It seems to be getting better, but is always stiffer in the mornings.  I also have swollen nodes under my jaw line. They have been gone for the past 3 weeks.  I'm taking this as a sign that my immune system is getting stronger, because I haven't gotten a cold or sick after working out, or doing yard work...like I have in the past. 

But just because you have more or less symptoms than I do doesn't mean we both don't have the same thing.  Stress can effect people in different way.  When this first started for me, I could feel my neck starting to hurt.  I thought it was from doing heavy squats with barbells, but it never got better after the muscle soreness went away.  It got worse as the months came, and I came to realize this was a symptom.  The same with my fatigue.  It started with me feeling more and more tired throughout the weeks.  I thought I had Mono and was awaiting my resutls when while I was on vacation.  While in Florida for 4 days, The last day I started to feel better.  For the next 5 days, I was myself again.  I had my energy back, and my strenght.  I couldn't explain it.  That further proved that this was/is stress.



Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day. ---I can no longer take this, due to my reaction to Echinacia root (caused a serious rash)


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/10/2006 10:03 AM (GMT -7)   
sparker said...
Phew.. nearly screwed up the saliva test order. I clicked to the link, and quickly read how you said the one with 5 tests... so I saw the first one had 5 tests and then ordered it (Hormone Profile I).

Luckily I went back to the link and saw the bottom Adrenal test and was able to call and change it. Doh.

 
LOL!!!! Yeah, that would have been funny.  Yeah, the adrenal one is the one you want.  They're also very responsive via email.  I emailed them 3 days after I mailed it, to make sure they got it back.  The package is semi big for the drop off mail, and I was worried.  They emailed me back that day telling me it had arrived and that it was being process. 
 
The results are great.  The show you your levels, and what they should be.  They then do a complete write from a doctor on what he see based of your info on your test and symtpoms that you submit.  Trust me, it's worth the money.  I'm going to submit mine to my insurance for poop's and giggles to see if they'll cover it.
Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (50mg)
Isocort (10 mg) 4 times a day. ---I can no longer take this, due to my reaction to Echinacia root (caused a serious rash)


sparker
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   Posted 10/16/2006 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, I received the adrenal fatigue book a couple of days ago and began reading. It's somewhat of a confusing book in that the information is never really summarized in specifics... most specifically, I wish he'd have gone into more detail on what the diet should be.

I started the vitamins and supplements as well. So far, no positive or negative effects yet. Too early I imagine for anything positive to happen.

Still waiting for the saliva test, it should be here today I'm hoping.
10/16/2006 Status :
Saliva test kit should arrive any day now.
10/13: Started reading book on adrenal fatigue.
10/12: Started taking (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg of Vitamin C  --- 800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5 --- 100mg of vitamin B6
400mg of Megnesium   --- 50mg of DHEA


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/16/2006 2:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Nope, I agree... however the diets are pretty simple.



Proteins (Red meat, chicken, fish, eggs, protein powders)

Carbs (Rolled oats, long grain brown rice, lentils, yams, 100% whole wheat breads)

Fats (Nuts, all natural PB/almond butter) olive oil.

Eat tones of veggies, and try to stick to fruits that don't have a high amount of natural sugar.



www.nutritiondata.com is an awesome resource. I use to use it all the time when dieting and lifting.



Yeah, the supplements are just going to aid. It's not something you're going to see over night, nor probably in the next few months. Allow time, and remain positive. How's the exercise coming along?

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sparker
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   Posted 10/18/2006 8:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the site link, I'm making a shopping list for this weekend and what foods I'm going to buy and try to get some meals planned. I'm not exactly a great cook, so my meals (like last night) consisted of chicken on the grill and a can of green beans. I need to start munching on veggies while I'm at work, that would be a way of getting them in.

The exercise is tough. Right now I've been doing some yard work preparing for winter, so that has been my exercise for the last week or so, but I only last about an hour before I'm pretty much whipped.

My saliva test arrived yesterday, so I'm taking it through today.
10/18/2006 Status :
10/18: Taking saliva test today.
10/13: Reading book on adrenal fatigue.
10/12: Taking the following (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg of Vitamin C  --- 800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5 --- 100mg of vitamin B6
400mg of Megnesium   --- 50mg of DHEA


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/18/2006 10:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Awesome!


Just remember, just because you have to eat healthy, doesn't mean it has to be boring. You don't need to be a good cook to eat right and have it taste good. Do some research on line and see some healthy recipies. Most of what you'll find is going to be portion control, and healthy foods.



That's great. You should have answers within 2 weeks then. just remember not to eat 2 hours before doing each test.

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sparker
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   Posted 10/20/2006 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, this weekend will be the big push to get and cook the right foods.

I sent the saliva test stuff back, so now I just have to wait for the results.

Today, I'm dragging BIG TIME. I think being a software developer has to be the absolute worst job to have with this ailment. Sitting all day is horrible. I find I have to get up and move around every 30 minutes minimum just to stay somewhat awake and alert. Today I'm struggling to make it to 3:30 PM so I can duck out early and go home to sleep. ARGH ARGH ARGH ARGH ARGH. I hate this feeling.

The sad thing is most people are looking forward to Friday night so they can go out and do whatever with their friends. I haven't had that thought for coming on 5 years now. I hope to just make it through the day and then get home for some sleep.
10/20/2006 Status :
Awaiting saliva test results.
Reading book on adrenal fatigue.
Taking the following (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg of Vitamin C  --- 800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5 --- 100mg of vitamin B6
400mg of Megnesium   --- 50mg of DHEA


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/20/2006 12:38 PM (GMT -7)   
It's amazing how alike we are.

I too sit all day long infront of my machines. I don't create software, just fix network/server issues. I too need to get up and move around. It's part of the reason I started smoking again, which is very hard to resist now :-(



I'm right there with you dude. All I want to do is go out with my friends and hang out, or take my wife out somewhere, but I'm do darn tired. I'm be catching up on some certification work when I get home, but it's so hard to read and concentrate, when all I want to do is fall asleep.

I'm really looking forward to your saliva test. I pray this brings you great news, as it did for me!

Take care,

-O-

sparker
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   Posted 10/24/2006 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   

A friend's wife gave me a copy of some pages from a medical book that talked about what nutrients and herbs to take for assisting adrenal recovery - so not strictly adrenal fatigue, but simply strengthening the adrenal glands.  The following items were in it, some of I was already taking, some I'm now considering after I check some more.

For nutrients, it said the essential items were a B complex (100mg of each major B twice daily) and vitamin C (4,000-6,000mg daily in divided doses).

Items marked very important were Coenzyme A (which I've never heard of) and L-Tyrosine (500mg daily on empty stomach with water or juice - not with milk - take with 50mg of B6 and 100mg of C for better absorption).

Important items were raw adrenal glandular and raw adrenal cortex glandular.  Huh.

Helpful items were multivitamin with at least the following: calcium 1500mg, magnesium 750mg, natural beta-carotene 15,000 IU, copper 3mg, potassium 200mg and zinc 50mg.  In addition, Coenzyme Q10, chlorophyll, raw liver extract and SAMe (do not use SAMe if manic-depressive disorder or taking prescription antidepressants).

The recommendations it mentions are: fresh fruit and vegetables, especially green leafy ones, brewers yeast, brown rice, legumes, nuts, olive and saflower oils, seeds, wheat germ and whole grains.

Eat deep-water ocean fish, salmon or tuna a least 3x a week.  Include in diet garlic, onions, craptake mushrooms, pearl barley (which contain germanium).

Avoid alcohol, caffeine, tobacco - which are highly toxic to the adrenal and other glands.

Stay away from fats, fried foods, ham, pork, highly processed foods, red meats, sodas, sugar and white flour.  These put unnecessary stress on adrenal glands.

Get regular, moderate exercise.

As much as possible, avoid stress.  Continuous and prolonged stressfrom marriage, job, illness and feelings of low self-esteem or loneliness can be detrimental to adrenal glands.

Anyways, much of which I kinda knew, but some new pieces I didn't know.


10/20/2006 Status :
Awaiting saliva test results.
Reading book on adrenal fatigue.
Taking the following (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg of Vitamin C  --- 800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5 --- 100mg of vitamin B6
400mg of Megnesium   --- 50mg of DHEA


Orion82698
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   Posted 10/24/2006 8:27 AM (GMT -7)   
My problem is now, I need to quit smoking.


I also refuse to stop eating Red meat. I don't think having it a few times a week in small portions will kill your progress, but we shall see. I'm going to do another saliva test here in another few months to gauge my progress.

sparker
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   Posted 10/24/2006 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Yup, the smoking thing is gonna be hard - but in the long run it'll pay off. I'm with ya on the red meat thing - that's something I can reduce but not entirely eliminate. I'm going to try and increase my fish consumption though.

I am thinking about adding some other supplements, namely L-Tyrosine, CoQ10 and Niacin. Then because I'm not taking any adrenal extracts, looking to add ADRENergize. I realize I'm throwing the kitchen sink in many ways at this, but I've spent a hell of a lot more money in doctors and therapists over the years with zero return on that, so this doesn't bother me.
10/24/2006 Status :
Awaiting saliva test results.
Reading book on adrenal fatigue.
Taking the following (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg/Vitamin C        800mg/Vitamin E
1000mg/Vitamin B5       100mg/vitamin B6
 400mg/Magnesium         50mg/DHEA
 450mg/Licorice Root


Orion82698
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Total Posts : 423
   Posted 10/24/2006 9:40 AM (GMT -7)   
yeah, it's going to be hard. As soon as I get done my weight loss contest here in 3 weeks, I'm giving it up for good. Right now, it's just hard. When the contest is over (which I'm winning), I won't be concered with eating extra. I shouldn't have entered into this, but it's $500 for the winner, and I'm way in the lead.


I would do some research on taking lots of supps. Might be doing more harm than good. I would atleast take them at different points in the day. I spread my stuff throughout the day.



Still waiting on your results?

sparker
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Date Joined Oct 2006
Total Posts : 114
   Posted 10/24/2006 9:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah.. still waiting on saliva test results. I'm kinda worried though because the day I took the test was one of my best energy days I've had in about a month, so hopefully that won't skew my results.

Yeah.. I'm starting to spread out my supplements. Right now I'm taking pretty much what you're taking, and I'm not experiencing any issues (except one day when I took them on nearly an empty stomach - ugh).
I'm going to add anything from this point one at a time so if there's any issues I know what did it.

Everyone at work here thinks I'm crazy when they see me pull out this huge load of pills and pop them. It does look pretty funny though with all the pills.
10/24/2006 Status :
Awaiting saliva test results.
Reading book on adrenal fatigue.
Taking the following (in addition to multivitamin):

4000mg/Vitamin C        800mg/Vitamin E
1000mg/Vitamin B5       100mg/vitamin B6
 400mg/Magnesium         50mg/DHEA
 450mg/Licorice Root


Orion82698
Regular Member


Date Joined Mar 2006
Total Posts : 423
   Posted 10/24/2006 11:36 AM (GMT -7)   
LOL.. yeah I get those looks too.


Don't worry about the energy boost. Were you still a little fatigues and felling bad that day? Even if you did have high energy, it probably wasn't the best, which will still show on your results.

Orion82698
Regular Member


Date Joined Mar 2006
Total Posts : 423
   Posted 10/25/2006 9:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Sparker,


How's your neck? Stiff/sore? Worse in the morning?
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