Finally saw my endo...

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Tru
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   Posted 12/7/2006 9:10 AM (GMT -7)   
with adrenal and thyroid tests results in hand and he believed me...and he gave me the meds that I need(Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone).

Although, I do think that I'm missing one. Since I have estrogen dominance I need topical progestrone cream to counter excess estrogen...but I did see this in the health food store...a natural one, so I don't need a perscripton. I will tell the doctor first though. I also need something that decreases estrogen and testosterone.

Using topical progesterone will tell my body that I already have enough estrogen, so my body can reduce the excess...and the estrogen and testosterone decreaser is used to gobble the excess that I already have. Neither of them is used for more than a year...6 months is usually long enough.

I'm on my way to better health!

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:11:27 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/7/2006 10:12 AM (GMT -7)   
THAT IS AWESOME!!!! I wished you lived near me.  I would go to your Endo for a sure thing. 
 
Well, when are you starting the meds, tomorrow?  I look forwards to reading of your progress.
 
CONGRATS! tongue yeah

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Tru
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   Posted 12/7/2006 11:11 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Orion!


I started my meds today...I saw my endo on Wednesday. My meds had to be brought in from another pharmacy...I don't know which one because if would have known went to there...but I guess it was not local.

I didn't post because I was getting things together(my supplements and all) I just needed to get that part off of my mind first. I had to get a jumbo pill case too...you know the ones with S thru M(Sunday thru Monday) on each lid. They even had one for the week and different times of the day. I'll see how this works out first. I wish that I could find one with just the times of the day, because some of the supplements I have to take more than once...morning, noon, evening or night. I don't mind filling the pill case up each day....so I hope that I find one.

...but I sure will post my progress.

BTW...thanks Orion the ZRT tests were a huge help! First of all, this endo told me the he does not test for or treat conversion problems, because not being able to convert does not mean that you have a low thryoid...and I agreed...he's right...and I already know that. Something is preventing T4 from converting to T3...and I will find out what it is. Conversion problems is caused by toxins, chemicals, etc. Conversion problems mean that some of your much needed minerals are low which is why your endo system is not functioning right. Toxins, and chemicals depletes minerals. He really didn't want to put me on hormones, but I saw that he kept looking at my tests and changed his mind.

I told him that giving me these hormones will help my body balance out itself...and I don't plan to take them forever. The endo was concerned about osteoporosis...he said that too much thyroid hormones causes this. It's a shame that by the time I went home I figured everything out, because I would have told him that the reason why some people get osteoporosis after using thyroid hormones for too long is because docs are leaving them hanging. They can not just treat the thyroid and not treat the adrenals at all...and they must take those mineral that are being depleted too. Those minerals have a lot to do with hormone balance. Once they get the adrenals on track then they can focus on the thyroid vice versa. I learned all this from my 10 books on hormones.yeah

After I'm done with him he will believe that these illnesses should be treated with hormones in order to boost everything and get back on track. Shoot, I plan on having him order this tests for his other patients(if they need it) too. :-) I will convert him!

My next appt is Jan 23.

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:11:40 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/7/2006 1:03 PM (GMT -7)   
That's great.
 
Did you feel any different from the meds this morning?  Did he run any other tests before having you on these meds?

Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

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1000mg of Vitamin B5
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Tru
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   Posted 12/7/2006 2:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Orion82698 said...
That's great.


Did you feel any different from the meds this morning? Did he run any other tests before having you on these meds?


I'm feeling really good right now...I didn't slept at all yet. I didn't even lay down yet.

No he didn't run anymore tests...I don't know what he will decide to do on Jan 23 though. He wants to see how things work...and that's ok with me. Because I know that people that have PCOS(I don't have it ) adrenal, pituitary tumors, etc are now being treating with thyroid and adrenal hormones to relieve the stress from gland or glands that being stressed...so nothing is being wasted. I did have a pituitary MRI, and it was fine. I still wonder about my adrenals though, because they are over producing testosterone...because they are exhausted....but hormones shrink tumors if there is one, because it takes away the stress and stop the over production...and the tumors are usually benign(just caused by stress on the gland).

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:11:53 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/7/2006 2:39 PM (GMT -7)   
That's so great!!! I'm so happy for you!

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sparker
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   Posted 12/7/2006 6:20 PM (GMT -7)   
That's great news.. let us know how it goes with the new meds!
12/04/2006: Adrenal fatigue - awaiting endo blood test results.

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Tru
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   Posted 12/11/2006 11:29 AM (GMT -7)   
sparker said...
That's great news.. let us know how it goes with the new meds!


So far, so good with the meds...and supplements. I notice that my skin on my legs is not powdery any more. For years I would only take wash offs daily and a bath once every week, because too many bathes would cause my skin to thin and bleed when I scatched my dry itchy skin. I couldn't use lotion either...because it would cause the same thing to happened.

I'm no longer exhausted. All of the other symptoms still exists...my hair is still coming out, and my skin is still dry and itchy, etc...but my skin on my legs are no longer powdery...so everything is going in the right direction.

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:38:18 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/11/2006 2:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Tru..
 
what dosage of Hydrocortisone are you on?  What times of day are you taking them?
 
When you wake, do you still feel drained, or do you feel like you're getting a restful nights sleep? 
 
Do you feel like you can exercise? 

Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (25mg) 


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/11/2006 8:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Also, are you taking Cortef, or Hydrocortison?

Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (25mg) 


Tru
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   Posted 12/13/2006 6:34 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm taking 10mg of Hydorocortisone, and I only take it once in the moring because I'm still taking IsoCort.


I feel rested when I wake, and right now I'm looking for simple gym equipment, so that I can exercise....so yes I do feel like I can exercise...and I'm ready.


What is Cortef?

I've decided to purchase this complete toxin and mineral test...the one that I had done before only tested for a few toxins. Even though it proved that I had a high level of bis muth and an extremely low level of vanadium(it did not even place on the chart it was so low) it did not test my selenium level which is very important to remove toxins and convert T4 to T3...which is my problem. I want to know all of my levels.


/www.detoxamin.com/hairtest.html

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:12:12 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/13/2006 6:55 AM (GMT -7)   
That's great, and on a low dosage as well. Most get placed on 20mg a day and it's usually broken up throughout the day. Like 7.5 in the morning, 5mg in the afternoon, and 2.5-5mg in the evening around 5ish.

From what I've read ( and there has been conflicting stories) your body doesn't produce cortisol when taking a replacement. It's simply to allow your body what it needs, and allow your glands to heal and not be so over worked. Taking a replacement while also taking extracts, supplements, exercise and a healthy diet promote a faster recovery of the glands. Now, when I say comflicting, I've also heard that hydrocortisone heals the glands. Since this is still such a grey area for the medical community, I suggest you read up on it a little more, and consult with your doctor. Ask him how long he plans to have on you this med. Granted, you probably could take it the rest of your life, but be aware that this is also an anti-inflammatory as well. So, you could have say... and ear infection and not know it because of the hydrocortisone.

That's great. I must admit, as happy as I am for you, I'm also a bit jealous. I too hope my Endo see this for what it truely is.

Cortef is a brand of hydrocortisone. Hydrocortisone is the generic version of Cortef. I only ask because some find that they react better to the other. The only difference is the fillers included in the meds. Some people find that they can't stomach the other.

Good luck on the toxin test.

Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

Multivitamin
6000mg of Vitamin C daily
800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
Adrenal Extracts
DHEA (25mg) 

Post Edited (Orion82698) : 12/13/2006 6:59:03 AM (GMT-7)


Tru
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   Posted 12/13/2006 7:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks!

I have to ask my doc about my vanadium, because low levels of vanadium and chromium brings on diabetes. Since my vanadium level was too low to even place on the scale it really scares me.

Orion, I think the only thing that helped me with my endo was that fact that I already had proof...and you do too. I also felt that I had to have the thyroid test done too...and I glad that I did, because my endo was not concerned about my adrenals at all. If I didn't have my thyroid test I believe that I would have nothing. He only spoke about my thyroid...and I had to bring up my adrenals even through the adrenal test was the first test results on the sheet he skipped it and only paid attention to the thyroid tests.

I'm glad that I had my thyroid results, because if I didn't I would have had to wait for his results...and who knows it probably would have came back normal...and I knew that emotionally I could not deal with that.

With all these saliva, blood spot, and hair sample tests I think that I have uncovered everything. Every test proves the same thing(hormonal imbalance). All of these tests have allowed me to see my problems and fix it. The hair sampe was just as important as the saliva and blood spot. The hair sample showed me what caused my problem, which is bis muth. I have to get it out!

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 7:13:29 AM (GMT-7)


Tru
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   Posted 12/13/2006 7:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Orion82698 said...
That's great, and on a low dosage as well. Most get placed on 20mg a day and it's usually broken up throughout the day. Like 7.5 in the morning, 5mg in the afternoon, and 2.5-5mg in the evening around 5ish.

From what I've read ( and there has been conflicting stories) your body doesn't produce cortisol when taking a replacement. It's simply to allow your body what it needs, and allow your glands to heal and not be so over worked. Taking a replacement while also taking extracts, supplements, exercise and a healthy diet promote a faster recovery of the glands. Now, when I say comflicting, I've also heard that hydrocortisone heals the glands. Since this is still such a grey area for the medical community, I suggest you read up on it a little more, and consult with your doctor. Ask him how long he plans to have on you this med. Granted, you probably could take it the rest of your life, but be aware that this is also an anti-inflammatory as well. So, you could have say... and ear infection and not know it because of the hydrocortisone.

That's great. I must admit, as happy as I am for you, I'm also a bit jealous. I too hope my Endo see this for what it truely is.

Cortef is a brand of hydrocortisone. Hydrocortisone is the generic version of Cortef. I only ask because some find that they react better to the other. The only difference is the fillers included in the meds. Some people find that they can't stomach the other.

Good luck on the toxin test.


I read that too. I believe what they mean is that hydocortisone allows the glands to rest so that they can heal...it doesn't heal the glands...well that's what I believe. To me it's all the same thing...as long as the glands are healing. :lol:

As far as the hydrocortisone goes, I told my doc about 6 months...and he agreed...but I will also go by how I feel and look too, so if I get better before 6 months then I will stop taking hydrocortisone.

I hoping that detoxing will speed everything up. Detoxing already have gotten rid of my 4 month long abdominal pain in only 3 days.

BTW...I've just noticed 10 mins ago that my face is rosier...it's not dry and as pale looking as it use to be. I didn't notice this yesterday. This is amazing!!!!

I'm thinking about canceling the toxin test order, because I was going to wait until after I test to detox. I don't want to detox before the test...so I don't know. Waiting to test...again...it slowing my progress up.

I think that I should cancel. I wish that I would have found this toxin test first! See....when I'm not looking for something it's soooo easy to find. Now when I was searching all over the net for toxin tests this one never came up...and this is the type of test that I was searching for in the first place...but I setteled for the test that I found...it was the only one that I trusted, because I was familiar with the lab.

Orion, did you know that progesterone nourishes the thyroid...and zinc promotes progesterone production. One reason that our hormones get out of balance is because when cause our zinc-to-copper ratio to become imbalanced by eating too much copper(chocolate, baker's yeast, almonds, peanut butter, trout, walnuts, lobster, grapes, crab, brain flakes, avocado, pecans, etc). That's why I had to add zinc supplement to my muti.

I didn't know that women and men can take progesterone in the from of wild yam to balance their progesterone level. Most use wild yam cream.

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 8:07:37 AM (GMT-7)


Tru
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   Posted 12/13/2006 8:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm going to cancel that toxin test....and plus I detoxed once already...and this test might show better results which won't prove much more to me...it will prove less, because I've already detoxed some bis muth out which is my my ab pain is gone...I believe. I don't won't anything that will make the doc say that I've been fine all along. I'm tired of hearing that...so I will cancel...I'm in fear of better results when I'm not completely better yet. You know...I mean better results won't tell him where I stared...I won't him to know where I started. New results will tell him where I am know. I just feel that I have to prove that it's really real...so I'll let the first toxin test be my only proof. I already know all that I need to know. If I'm having conversion problems my selenium is low...I don't need a test to tell me that.

I guess after being put though all this stress and rejection by docs I feel that I have to prove everything...well...all of these tests proved enough. I know what's going on now.

I'll let you know how my detox goes...I'll do it later this week...or this weekend.

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/13/2006 8:47:50 AM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/15/2006 2:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Tru,
 
 
   How has everything been going the past few days?  Still great? :-)

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Tru
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   Posted 12/16/2006 8:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Orion82698 said...
Tru,




How has everything been going the past few days? Still great? [img]/community/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]


Yes, everything is still great. My meds and all my supplements work great together. Thanks for asking!

I don't remember you test result, but read this:

"Importantly, if we are under a lot of stress and our adrenals are pumping out cortisol, our bodies will take any available progesterone and divert it to meet that demand. If too much progesterone gets diverted for cortisol, as happens when you suffer from adrenal fatigue, there is not enough to make the testosterone..."

So, it good that I'm taking progesterone. Progesterone nourishes the thyroid too. Progesterone is a natural building block for all the steroid hormones for males and females. Most people take progesterone in the form of Wild Yam.

"Wild Yam has many effects on the body, among other things, its very good for the liver and endocrine system, by toning and nourishing the liver it helps to balance hormone production. Wild yam is very well known for its steroidal saponins (chemical constitutes in the plant) contained within particularly diosgein, an important hormonal precursor for progesterone. Precursors provide necessary elements or building blocks to produce and balance the hormones progesterone and cortisone."

I also read that wild yam is used to treat candida and fibromyalgia . I started taking Wild Yam orally yesterday. They say that transdermal is better...I believe that it's just quicker, but both the transdermal and the capules has the same effects...eventually.:lol: The back of my Wild Yam capsules bottles says, "Wild Yam has been highly praised for its disosgenin content. Disosgenin is used as a bildding block for creating human hormaones."

It's just that I'm statisfied with ProGest, but I'm still doing research on what's best. I can not find wild yam cream in health food stores here!!!:( I also read that Wild Yam has to go through a process first...but ProGest is bio-identical. So, I believe that ProGest is best for women.

I will not take either of them all month long. Done this way it increases fertility...if I would take it all month long it will decrease fertility. Also, wild yam taken all month long is natural birth control.

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WHY TOPICAL APPLICATION OF NATURAL PROGESTERONE?

Progesterone is a fat soluble compound which maintains its integrity much more readily when absorbed transdermally (through the skin) than when taken my mouth. When progesterone is ingested orally, it is subject to rapid breakdown (metabolism) in the liver, making it considerably less effective. Medical practitioners have used synthetic progesterone in a variety of forms ranging from capsules to injections to vaginal and rectal suppositories. Originally, orally administered progesterone or progestins were not efficiently absorbed through the intestinal wall and had to pass through liver tissue before entering the bloodstream. Consequently, much of the absorbed progestins were metabolized by the liver into inactive compounds. Up to 80 percent of the effectiveness of progesterone can be lost when taken orally.6 By contrast, progesterone is very nicely absorbed transdermally (through the skin) and much more of its biochemical activity is retained. I believe that natural progesterone cream derived from wild yam extract should be used by almost every mature adult . . . I believe that progesterone cream could do more to preserve health and well-being in elderly people than all the drugs in the world.7

Dr. Lee reiterates that “. . . natural progesterone is efficiently absorbed transdermally, a fact that enhances patient’s acceptance of its use and greatly reduces the cost of therapy.”8

Salivary hormonal lab tests are becoming more common and have further supported the effectiveness of natural progesterone absorption through the skin by monitoring levels.9 These tests have proven that progesterone levels rise when wild yam extracts are applied to the skin.


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Well.....I found my answer...but I can't find Wild Yam cream here :( But, from what I've read bio-identical is better. Wild Yam is also considered to be bio-identical too so...they are both good IMO. When I searched the web for Wild Yam cream a lot of them contained parabens(I don't won't that)...and they all are mixed with so many things with only a small percentage of Wild Yam even though it's called Wild Yam cream. Some of them contain what's in ProGest plus a small percentage of Wild Yam....and parabens. My ProGest is paraben-free. I'm starting to love to using ProGest!

Well...I can use both. I'll just use the capsules for my liver...and candida.



Wild Yam/Nautural Progesterone link: vitanetonline.com/forums/1/Thread/454

Low Progeterone link: http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/c8769.html

I have adrenal fatique(or one of the many names that is called), low progesterone and hypothyroidism(tissue resistance to thyroid hormones).

Meds: Armour Thyroid, Hydrocortisone, ProGest and lots of supplements in addition to my multi-vitamins.

Post Edited (Tru) : 12/16/2006 3:34:31 PM (GMT-7)


Orion82698
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   Posted 12/22/2006 11:30 AM (GMT -7)   

Tru...

  Haven't seen you around lately.  I'm guess everything is still going great!

 

Stop in and let us know how you're doing.


Suffering from Adrenal Fatigue (confirmed by Saliva test)

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800mg of Vitamin E
1000mg of Vitamin B5
100mg of vitamin B6
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