Going off narcotic pain meds...... Wish me luck!!!!

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03Mach
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   Posted 1/18/2008 10:57 AM (GMT -7)   
My second opinion neuro doc thinks the pain meds are messing up my receptors and leading me to feel more pain than I'm really in. So now both neuro docs want me to come off the meds. I talked it over with my prescribing doctor and I'm stopping cold turkey,with some help for anxiety provided by diazepam. My concern is that coming off the meds isn't going to fix the extreme pain I'm in. But at least this if it doesn't help the pain, I can say "look I came off the meds and I'm still in pain" I think the doctors are really just missing something, but it's worth a try. Once off the oxy, I think we are going to try Lyrica and see if this helps. Wish me luck. If anyone wants to follow along let me know and I'll post a link to my youtube page where I will be documenting as much of it as I can.

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   Posted 1/18/2008 12:36 PM (GMT -7)   
you should never do it cold turkey nono
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03Mach
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   Posted 1/18/2008 1:31 PM (GMT -7)   
I was given 3 choices: Taper, check myself into a clinic and get bupe or cold turkey. I chose the later. With a tapper there is too much room for messing up and taking extra oxy and I just don't want to check into rehab. I'd rather just feel like crap for a few days and get it over with. I've managed to keep my dose low, so I don't think it should be too bad. Theres really no health risk like there is with alcohol and benzos. If things get too hairy for me I can always decide to check myself into the short term rehab. I get a different opinion from every doctor and pharmacist I talk to. I figure my wife is going to be home for a long weekend and school starts up again soon, so I needed to get this done. I took half of one of my diazepam and holy crap, it knocked the crap out of me!! I called the doc to see of there is any other benzo they can give me that won't floor me so bad.

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   Posted 1/18/2008 4:16 PM (GMT -7)   
You will probably actually want something that will knock you out, and the doctor probably gave it to you for that reason. The reason is because it can be exceedingly difficult to sleep during withdrawals, even minor ones, so having a dose of valium that "floors you" might be just what you need. Not to mention, as apparently the doctor told you, people are generally very anxious and uncomfortable during w/d so it will also help that. But probably the best thing is it will help you sleep, also you might want to ask your doctor about clonidine. It is a non-narcotic med originally for controlling blood pressure I believe, but is now commonly used to help people detoxing because it is very sedating and helps anxiety (it is actually prescribed for this off-label). Just be careful not to become dependent on those benzos!

By the way, what your doctor is talking about happening to you, from what I could tell, is opioid induced hyperalgesia. Did he say anything about that. It is basically where you become more sensitive to pain because the opioid you are taking causes your brain to upregulate its opioid receptors, meaning it creates more. This is also probably the mechanism by which tolerance develops, at least that is what is commonly believed today. You body also stops producing endorphins (its natural opioids) because of all this your body is unable to cope with pain on its own properly any more for some people. This is bad enough for some people that even though they are replacing their endorphins with whatever opioid they are taking and filling those receptors, they have become so sensitive to pain that the meds dont keep up and do as much as they should, but they definitely are helping some. I imagine he came to this conclusion because you were taking meds and had to increase your dose frequently or felt like your pain was getting worse or both. The good thing is your receptors will return to normal after you stop the med and your body will start making endorphins again. The bad news is that this takes a while and in the mean time, as you may be finding out now as we speak, the pain can be much worse than it was before you started the meds. I am certainly no expert, so do not take everything I say literally especially if your doctor said something else, but I have down a fair bit of research (of medical texts, research studies, as well as online information), read lots of first hand accounts, and also had lots of conversations with doctors (mine and the doctor in my family). I hope this information was useful for you and helps you understand the condition that your doctor is concerned about a little more. You can read about it on your own if you'd like, look up opioid induced hyperalgesia.

I hope things are going alright for you and that the lyrica helps, it has been quite a good med for me and some people I know (though I have migraines/chronic daily headache).
Circa

Post Edited (Circa1988) : 1/18/2008 4:32:35 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/18/2008 6:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Mach, I do wish you the best on your quest of "cold turkey", but by now and tomorrow you will feel alot of pain and feel like your socks have been knocked off. Do not try to be a hero here, if things get too out of hand, don't just suck it up, get some other form of help in detoxing. At one time my ortho thought this was happening to me, he talked to my pm dr and decided no, it was not the meds causing more pain. My problem stemmed from not being able to tolerate medications period. It was not limited to pain meds either. I ended up with a pain pump and life is decent for a change. Good luck, Susie


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   Posted 1/18/2008 8:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I commend you for taking a bold step in coming off the meds but as has already been said just be safe. I know you didn't choose Rehab but You know, it just doesn't sit well with me.

Rehabs are normally for people who are dealing with addiction and not just dependency. Dependency by it's self as you know is not the same as addiction but if one decides to go to rehab when all they have been doing is following the doctor's orders for treatment of chronic pain could come back to haunt you later on. If and when you need to start pain medications again and you must see a new physician who does not know you, if they find out you went to rehab they may think you are an addict. I have seen this happen many times. Federal law also states that it is illegal for a physician to provide narcotics (Opioids) if you suffer from addiction. There are of course ways around this and doctors who can treat addiction but for the most part it could cause some unneeded difficulties.

Now I'm not a physician but I have done quite a bit of research on what is known as Opioid Hyperalgesia. There are studies that say it exists but there are also studies which say that it does not. Some of these studies were based on bad science and faulty data. Now, I won't go into the results here but my opinion is that not enough is known to actually say one way or the other as to whether or not this condition is occurring. There are however physicians who feel that it does exist but a lot of them are basing their beliefs on these faulty studies. To blindly accept a study without question is unacceptable.

Just some food for thought.

Anyways, I wish you luck with the detox and hopefully you get through it fairly quickly and your pain levels stay low.

Post Edited (quahog) : 1/18/2008 9:11:13 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/18/2008 11:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Quahog-It is not illegal for a doctor to prescribe narcotics to someone who is an addict as long as they are prescribed only for pain relief. It is illegal for physicians to prescribe them for detox (think prescribing a drug for someone who is an addict and wants help detoxing to taper with) or prescribe them for maintenance (opioids taken every day to keep an addict from withdrawing, with no intent of detoxing, merely to stabilize their life). To do either of those things either: 1. They have to prescribe Methadone at a methadone clinic for addicts only or 2. They can get a license to prescribe Suboxone for addiction. I also know that doctors in institutions like hospitals, prisons etc. can prescribe meds like this (I assume they have a special license). And opioid induced hyperalgesia is generally accepted as real, it is more a matter of how common it is and how large of a problem it is (that is, how much it hampers treatment).

Post Edited (Circa1988) : 1/19/2008 12:05:02 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/19/2008 6:57 AM (GMT -7)   
drink lots and lots of water and green tea.  those pills  will being doing everything they can to you to get you to take them. just keep knowing it will go away, good luck.

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   Posted 1/19/2008 7:00 AM (GMT -7)   
I have done it so many times and every day got a little better. I am on a drug now called suboxone. IT takes away the withdrawl symptomes and helps with pain. It blocks the opoid receptors. You have to be in withdrawl for 12 hours before you take it. Ask your doc about it. If you are coming off oxy's you are gonna be very sick. Please seek help if you think it is to much. I have been detoxed a few times and it is not pretty. Anyway i admire your bravery and respect your decision. good luck and be safe

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   Posted 1/19/2008 11:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Actually, federal law is a bit murky in this area. The law does state that it is illegal for a physician to provide ANY narcotic medication to someone who is suffering from addiction. But as you pointed out they can obtain special waivers but there is quite a bit of red tape involved.

Here's an excerpt from the web page pain and the law.

Under federal law it is illegal to prescribe or dispense controlled substances to addicts for detoxification treatment or for maintenance treatment. Some physicians and pharmacists, erring on the side of caution, have denied patients access to legitimate pain therapy, out of concern that they might otherwise be duped into a violation of federal law by a convincing drug addict.

http://www.painandthelaw.org/mayday/brushwood_090102.php

I stand by my original statement.

I also stand by my research that suggest opioid hyperalgesia is a rare condition. As Gramps pointed out the problem is that it is being used by physicians to refuse treatment to patients. It is sad that an obscure research paper, that has not clearly identified identified the "hyperalgesia" theory has been spread all over the media, to further scare the patient population. This happened in a handful of elderly white females. It was not good research. There seems to be a group, in medicine, that is pushing to stop using opiods, without offering any alternative therapy to the patients. This shows a lack of concern about people in chronic intractable pain.

Post Edited (quahog) : 1/19/2008 3:08:41 PM (GMT-7)


03Mach
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   Posted 1/19/2008 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Circa,
Thank you for the informational post! I think he did say I was suffering from opioid hyperalgesia. The funny thing about it, is that I was in this pain well before I even started taking the oxy! I'm really doing this to see if this will help at all. I'm doubtful that it will help, but who knows I'm willing to try whatever I need to, to obtain relief. I have been on the oxy for almost a year and a half and I've managed to never have a dosage increase. I am rx'd 20 mg oxycontin for night and 5mg oxycodone IR prn up to 8 a day.


The reason I opted out of rehab is because I don't want to be labeled a drug addict. After being rx'd suboxone you are pretty much given the label of an abuser. If down the road I need to go back on narcotic meds I don't want to have that hanging over my head.

I'm feeling pretty icky today, but I have my wife around to help me out. I don't think the worst of it has hit me yet, and I'm not looking forward to it.

Thanks for all the support and ideas everyone!!

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   Posted 1/19/2008 4:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I hate to say it, but "opiate induced hyperalgesia" is basically a non-existent condition that docs have made up to create a legitimate seeming excuse for taking you off pain meds.

It's not in your best interest, it's not based on reality, and your doc may not even believe it himself (although many do have themselves convinced -- either way, it's for their sake not yours).....IMHO, I would dump this doc like a bad habit before you get your records showing that you agree with his conclusions and have accepted treatment changes based on them.....

It's not that hyperalgesia NEVER happens, but it's virtually unheard of and doesn't happen NEARLY as much as docs would like to think it does.

Yet another cop-out myth docs use to throw up a smokescreen over their lack of compassion and their massively selfish greed.

The Hippocratic Oath is long since dead.....never forget, YOU are your own "primary care physician." Doctors are secondary at best, and really only exist to carry out the obvious and advise the uneducated. If you learn much of anything about your condition(s) and how to really treat them/manage their pain effectively, you will almost certainly be light-years ahead of 95% of doctors.

Sad isn't it?

Most definitely take this "hyperalgesia" BS with a Mt. Everest sized mountain of salt.
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Previous medications: Oxycontin, Opana ER (12 hour time releasd Oxymorphone, Endo Pharm.), generic Mylan Fentanyl patches (two 100mcg/hr patches worn simultaneously, changed every two days), Kadian, Avinza, MS Contin, Lortab (hydrocodone), OxyIR, Baclofen, Testosterone (oral, patches, gel), Cymbalta, Lyrica, Neurontin, Amitryptyline, every NSAID known to man, Prednisone....and many, MANY more.


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   Posted 1/19/2008 7:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Well said exit.

Well said indeed :-)

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   Posted 1/20/2008 12:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Quahog- I am not trying to start an argument, but the quote you posted states, "Under federal law it is illegal to prescribe or dispense controlled substances to addicts for detoxification treatment or for maintenance treatment." That states right there specifically that it is illegal only for detox and for maintenance (as I said above). What the second part of that quote, "Some physicians and pharmacists, erring on the side of caution, have denied patients access to legitimate pain therapy, out of concern that they might otherwise be duped into a violation of federal law by a convincing drug addict," is saying is that some doctors have denied patients access to pain treatment because they are afraid that the patient will actually be using the drugs as maintenance or detox drugs, thus making it a violation of federal law. Notice that they use the word 'legimate' here in order to show that the treatment actually was legal, but the doctors were afraid of what I said above thus they were 'erring on the side of caution.' It is most certainly perfectly legal for doctors to provide pain medicine to drug addicts as this is something I have talked to my uncle (a surgeon) about a number of times. However that does not mean that it is not MUCH harder for a drug addict to be prescribed opioids for their pain because the doctors are afraid that they will abuse it. For that reason it was wise of you 03Mach to avoid the rehab, suboxone, and the label of 'addict' that often goes with it.

And to everyone out there, opioid induced hyperalgesia DOES exist. It has been noted in herion addicts for a long time (before opioids were used to treat chronic pain often). The issue is whether or not it is such a large problem for people that it increases their pain to a point that the amount of meds that would have to be used would not give any more functional ability to the patient. I do not believe that it is this extreme as often as some doctors like to think, but it DOES occur. It is not an excuse made up by doctors to keep people from taking pain meds. Some doctors might exagerrate the dangers of it and use it to this effect, but it was not 'made up' for this purpose. The main dispute with this problem, as I stated earlier is simply whether or not it is a bad enough side-effect to justify discontinuation of the meds, and of course this varies for everyone.

By the way Gramps I agree that tolerance is a much bigger problem, in fact I do not believe that this is a very serious side effect for most people. As long as doctors inform people of the fact that if they are ever able to discontinue the meds they will most likely be more sensitive to pain than they were before they started the meds, at least for a while. I do agree that some doctors play up the issue of Opioid Induced Hyperalgesia to get a patient off of meds or as a reason not to prescribe them, I just wanted to make it clear that it is a real problem that occurs and can be a major issue for some people.

I hope everyone is having a pain-free day,
Circa

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   Posted 1/20/2008 1:00 AM (GMT -7)   
You may not be trying to start an argument but you are doing a good job at it.

I stated that it is illegal for a doctor to treat someone who is dealing with addiction It went along with my post about going into rehab when you are a chronic pain patient and not dealing with addiction. When and if a physician finds out you are addicted to opioid pain medications or other controlled medicines you may find that you will have a harder time receiving them. As stated the law is vague in this area. I know many physicians personally who were treating the pain of patients dealing with addiction only to be investigated by the DEA. Legal or not a visit by the DEA is enough to cause a doctor to quit prescribing controlled medications. That is what I was inferring in my initial post. So Enough already !

Hyperalgesia is an experimental construct; the vast majority of articles about it are animal studies. There are isolated case reports where "hyperalgesia" might be an explanation for the clinical course of an individual patient, but there exist ZERO studies, to the best of my knowledge, showing that "hyperalgesia" is a significant clinical phenomena.


Numerous physicians who treat pain do not believe the condition is as rampant as some would have you believe and Yes I agree with them and no you will not change my mind without more reputable and unbiased testing and studies. Hyperalgesia is being thrown around way too often and chronic intractable pain patients are suffering as a result.

On another note I am a Bio-Chem student who happens to be majoring in Pre-med. I have written numerous research papers on this subject so believe me I know of what I speak.

Post Edited (quahog) : 1/20/2008 1:32:39 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/20/2008 3:53 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree with everything you said. In fact I said most of it myself in my last post. I just wanted to clear up that it is not ILLEGAL for doctors to prescribe opioids to addicts to treat pain. I was not saying anything about there not being tremendous pressures for them not to, obviously there are. I did say that it is much harder for addicts to be prescribed opioids though because doctors are afraid they will abuse them (the root of DEA investigations). I also said that I felt some doctors exaggerate the risk of hyperalgesia and use it to discourage treatment w/ opioids. So really I dont think we disagree that much. Anyway back on topic, dont want to hijack this post.

This was to Quahog not Gramps, by the time I posted it Gramps had made his post inbetween.

Post Edited (Circa1988) : 1/20/2008 4:06:35 AM (GMT-7)


03Mach
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   Posted 1/23/2008 9:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry I didn't mean to start a ruckus! I don't think my problem opiate induced hyperalgesia nor does my primary care doctor. I'm getting off the meds so I can say "look here smartty pants, I'm off the narcotics and I'm still in crippling pain!!". Both neuro docs just say, I have a small bulging disk, some arthritis and some signs of ddd. They both say it's not bad enough to require narcotic relief. I get the feeling these ****S think I want to be on oxy! I have said from day one that I want whatever the problem is FIXED! They aren't the ones who wake up (if I can even fall asleep) in blinding pain. My PC doc seems to be the only one who cares to help, but he admits his limitations and says I need a specialist. I originally went on the meds because of the pain, the meds didn't cause the pain I'm in. They just don't seem to realize I wasn't like ooo pills gimme gimme gimmme, then poof my back starts hurting!! F_+K I'm so frustrated. I wasn't able to go cold turkey and like a dip-poo manly tough guy I dumped all but an "emergency" few pills. I figured I'll tough it out and take away the temptation to fail! Well it's way worse than I tough, and I have too much other stuff going on in my life to kick cold turkey. My PC can't rx me the stuff I need cuz I'm still like a week away from refill time. So I gave my wife the emergency pills to dispense to me sparingly. Let me tell you first day of phsycology class semi-withdrawaling SUCKED, and of course it had to be a 3 hours class!! 3 hours of jittery, runny nose ickyness. The doc did however rx me clonidine which in super low doses really help! I have to go back to see him tomorrow for another issue (I'm really beginning to detest AETNA), I'm going to see if I can get him to rx me enough meds to do a proper tapper. Right now it's hard to tapper at all as all I have are capsules and they just don't divide well. I'm sorry for the edited bad words I've just been having a EXTREMELY rough week. 29 year old dudes aren't supposed to cry as much as I've been! Later all! Hope everyone is doing good.

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   Posted 1/24/2008 7:48 AM (GMT -7)   
GOOD LUCK TO ALL. AS FOR MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE GOES; ANTERIOR LUMBAR FUSION L-5 S-1 2002.SEVERE LOWER BACK PAIN&LEG PAIN EVEN AFTER SURGERY. PRESCRIBED EVERY NARCOTIC PILL,PATCH.IN THE END I WAS ON 200MGS OF METHADONE DAILY PLUS K-8 DILAUDID 3XS. AND SOMETIMES THAT WASNT ENOUGH.ANYHOW I SIMPLY GOT TIRED OF CHASSING THAT GORILLA. WENT TO MY PAIN MGT DOC AND TOLD HIM I WANTED HELP. AND THAT MORNING HE GAVE ME 2MGS OF SUBOXONE. WAITED 25 MIN SENT ME HOME WITH PRIscriptION OF 8MG 3X DAILY.LIFE HAS BEEN GREAT.THE HARDEST THING WAS GETTING OFF OF THE METHADONE <PRIOR TO GOING TO DOC I HAD RAN OUT OF METH FOR 2 WEEKS.THE MOST HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE IN MY LIFE. I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE AND 4- WONDERFUL CHILDREN.AND ALOT OF FAITH IN GOD I TRULY BELIEVE THER WAS WAS AN INTERVENTION FROM ABOVE. I COULD GO ON AND ON JUST BE VERY CAREFUL IT IS VERY EASY TO DEVELOPE A TOLERANCE TO THESE DRUGS  AKA=ADDICTION.

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   Posted 1/24/2008 7:54 AM (GMT -7)   
FYI-AS OF 1-1-2008 40-MG METHADONE CANNOT BE PRESCRIBED FOR PAIN.ONLY DETOX IN APPROVED FACILITIES.THE  5mg /10mg WILL STILL BE AVALAIBLE.INFORMATION FOUND ON DEA WEB SITE CHECK IT OUT.unfurtunate for people dependent on a large amount.buprinorphine also has a long half-life and really helps with the pain. i also dont f ind my self waiting for my next dose. not as euphoric as others but very normal feeling. VERY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!

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03Mach
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   Posted 1/24/2008 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Gramps,
As anyone I know in my personal life will tell you, surgery is the LAST thing I want! At this point they would just be going in there to "poke" around and see what's going on. the 2 neuros I've seen both say I don't need surgery, which is great.... But they also both say I have no real reason for pain! Which I can attest to is absolute BS. I have pain, many days at about 7 on the pain scale. I've had 2 hernia surgeries, been hit by a truck which caused skull fractures, broken shoulder and ear damage and have had countless broken bones. So for them to asume I don't know pain really not only pisses my off but also just plain old hurts my feelings. Most times I've had injuries or surgeries I've been able to get by with some advil, now with my back that just doesn't cut it.

I've heard way to many bad stories about surgery gone wrong and ending up worse than before... I'm going to see a good chiropractor next month, so maybe this will help?? I'm at my wits end. I don't want to be on drugs, my wife wants me off the drugs...... AGHHHHH I'm just so frustrated!!!!!!!!

To top it all off we are now starting to run into financial issues due to the fact that I can't seem to hold a job for very long. Life sucks ***!! I had said to my wife last night; I'm not going to kill myself or anything like that, but if life were to cease I don't think It'd be all that bad. The thing that really hurts is she agreed, and she is always someone who loves life. I'm so sick of bringing her down with my bulls**t.

Sorry for my rant... life is just becoming exceedingly difficult, and I'm not sure how to cope..

Post Edited By Moderator (Chutz) : 1/24/2008 10:19:55 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/24/2008 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mach,

I'm so sorry for the mess you're in. Sure wish there was something useful I could do, but all I can offer is a shoulder and a hug. If you have insurance you may want to consider counseling. Don't balk and throw anything at me...lol. But many others have helped their pain level by pain counseling. Bring down the stress and the pain comes down some too. You learn to mentally deal with pain and "ignore" it. Sort of like childbirth when women get their focus off the pain so they can tolerate it.

Just a thought,
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   Posted 1/24/2008 2:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Chutz,
You would think that someone going into clinical psychology would seek counseling... But I hate going to them! I have actually been thinking about going to see someone. I've been in and out of counseling for all my teen and adult (oohhh I'm an adult sad ). Now wheres that 30lb abnormal behavior text book so I can throw it at you!!!

Gramps,
I have thought about looking for a good PM team, but I fear they will just put me back on drugs. I really don't want to be medicated unless it's absolutely necessary. I've already had steroidal injections which just hurt like heck and made me sick as a dog for a week each time. What else do PM clinics do? I've heard they do group therapy, and other such voodoo. The funny thing about the whole thing is my PC doc is sure that there is something wrong in there and it can be helped!
I didn't realize that less than 1% of cpp got addicted! I'm not undermining you, but where did you read or hear that? I find it extremely interesting because when I told people that I had an rx for oxy they were all so ooo-aaaa gimme some! And for me it wasn't like that, they relieved my back pain and put me at ease but never really gave me that euphoric feeling. Why this stunned me so much is because when I had taken vicodin for other injuries I got high as heck off of just 5mg and oxy is supposed to be 10x stronger I think!

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   Posted 1/24/2008 3:44 PM (GMT -7)   
GRAMPS,  I AGREE MY POINT WAS SIMPLY FROM DOING OPIATES, BEFORE I NEEDED THEM I WAS WELL AWARE OF THE EUPHOIRIA THEY COULD PRODUCE. THAT WAS MANY YRS AGO.HOWEVER I AGREE WITH YOU 100% IF YOU ARE TRULY IN PAIN ,THE RIGHT MEDS IN PROPER DOSE CAN BE REAL LIFESAFER. IT SIMPLY GOT OUT OF CONTROL FOR ME BECAUSE ON TOP OFF THE METHADONE/DILAUDID I WAS ALSO PRESCRIBED XANAX2MG3X. IM ONLY SHARING PERSONAL INFO ON HOW MUCH I CAN BENIFIT FROM THE MEDS I AM ON NOW.AND TO BE HONEST MY PAIN IS UNDER CONTROL.ITS ALSO UNFORTUANTE THAT I STILL HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING. ALSO VERY EXPENSIVE. I APPRECIATE ANY INFO YOU MAY HAVE AND OR SHARE.

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   Posted 1/25/2008 6:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Its hard for me to believe a DR. telling you to go cold Turkey ??
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   Posted 1/25/2008 10:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Hmmm... I seen it the first time, no need for 3 tongue

I'm not sure how to take this, are you calling me a liar? Or questioning the integrity of the doc?

Please don't take me the wrong way, I'm tired, anxious, irritable and going through some doody with my wife which isn't helping ANYTHING!!

I assure you that not 1 but 2 neurologists said to do just that (go cold turkey that is). The first one said straight up, get off the meds now, you don't need em. His first language isn't English but what I got was "you feel sick for not many days, then feeling better". Second neurologist said I could try and tapper to avoid some WD, or what he recommended was to go CT and not prolong the kick, but he said and I quote"get off the painkillers at all costs". My PC doc gave me 3 options, tapper, CT or go to rehab. He really wants to see me go into rehab and get on some bupe so I'm as comfortable as possible. I think my PC is really the only one looking out for my best. I told him rehab (short term or not) isn't an option. I can't leave me wife with the burden of all of our responsibilities, she has a pile of crap on her own plate that she's dealing with. I think me leaving her alone to tend to everything around here would push her into a melt down, and just leave me worrying too much about her to concentrate on detoxing. And I don't want rehab on my record, it's bad enough all this BS is already in my file!

So anyways Razzle51 what was meant by your post?
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