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ryand
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   Posted 4/24/2008 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Silver:

You said in another post that you've found accupuncture to be helpful with pain relief... How long was it before you got results? I decided to give it a try and I've been once already but no change at all after the first visit. It didn't get worse OR better at all. My doctor told me to give it 3 visits and then find someone new. The accupuncturist said give it a month (about 4-5 visits) before giving up. Any thoughts?

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   Posted 4/24/2008 9:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Did a course of acupuncture(for 4 weeks, 3 x a week) several yrs ago and found it to be quite helpful, esp the massage at the end. But....my ins didn't pay and it was $25 a pop, so $75 a week, and it was always along wait. They only helped me as long as I went reg, when I stopped, the relief stopped. Hope that this helps.
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   Posted 4/24/2008 10:05 AM (GMT -7)   
yeah  Hi All,
  I also tried accupuncture in fact I tried it several times over the years and my biggest problem with it was just laying on the table for the amount of time the session lasted. I found that I was usually in more pain after having to lie flat on my back for a half an hour to an a hour that it took to do it. So I guess you could say it did more harm than good for me. I do know a lot of other people who have CP and tried it and have had wonderfull results. In the end I think it's just different for everyone however I do know you have to go into it with an open mind and a possitive attitude to have any hope of it working. Good luck with it. I'm out for now, Toritoo
 
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   Posted 4/24/2008 6:57 PM (GMT -7)   
I did accupunture a couple of years ago. It worked for me for awhile, until it didn't. The accupuncturist had to do some things differently for me, as I could not lay flat on my back. She told me she used way more needles on me during each session than on any other patient. I went 2-3 times a week and definitely always noticed relief when the needles were in. In the beginning, the relief lasted for a a certain period of time after I left. Then that period of time began to get shorter and shorter until it seemed the pain was only relieved while the needles were in. I couldn't walk around with needles all day, so I stopped going.
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ryand
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   Posted 4/25/2008 1:09 AM (GMT -7)   
tongue Okay, that is a funny picture! Imagine all of us just walking around town with dozens of little needles sticking out of us all over! LOL! yeah

Well, I went for my second treatment today. Thanks to all of you for your comments - it sounds like this is just like everything else where it works for some but not for others. My first treatment was not fun at all because I had to lay on my stomach which is excruciating. They tried to stack pillows under my stomach to make it bearable, but I couldn't tolerate it very long at all and had to stop. I could feel the needles in the muscles that are spasmed and that made me think maybe this would do the trick to interrupt the spasm, but probably I needed to have them in longer. This time he set up a massage chair for me so I didn't have to try the stomach position again and he also used smaller super-tiny needles. I was able to get through the whole thing, but I didn't really feel anything going on. I don't feel better or worse, actually. It's like I didn't do anything at all.

I am going to give it another 2-3 times before I give up, I think. It isn't hurting, and thankfully it is covered by my insurance. At this point, I'm desperate for anything to give me even the tiniest sliver of relief!

Thanks again for the replies.

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   Posted 4/25/2008 11:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Ry,
I've never been able to try acupuncture because I can't afford it and it's not covered by my ins. I have heard that the practitioner's skill can make all the difference, though. I know a woman who's a doctor's wife and she suffers with CP; she drives quite a distance once/month for a whole weekend of acupuncture treatment (at $100 per tx!) and says it's changed her life. It won't cure CP, but can help manage the symptoms for some. I think it is something that requires several - sometimes up to 10 - sessions to give relief, but you'll have to go back periodically and have more. It helps manage pain, but it's better than more drugs if it works.

What I've heard is that it's best if you have someone who's also an MD who's been trained in traditional Chinese acupunture; that way you get the best of both worlds. Plus to make sure they use disposable needles (and they are very small - I saw a demonstration once). But like some of you have said, there's no way I could lie in certain positions without more pain being created. On the rare occasion I've been able to go for a massage, I choose massage therapists who are very aware and some not only put pillows under you but have tables that adjust in sections so it can be individualized to make you the most comfortable. One would think an acupuncturist would do the same!

If your insurance is paying I think it's worth giving it a fair trial, especially if you can find comfortable positions. Let us know how it goes!

Lisa (AKA pain)
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   Posted 4/25/2008 12:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ry,
 
I had acupuncture a few years ago for my back.  It was covered by workman's comp.  It was for back pain, shoulder, neck, arm pain as well as weak left hand.  I found that it did help my right side, but never my left side.  The "suction" cups they used also helped.  However, so much depends on the acupuncturist you see.  I saw 4 different ones at this doctor's office.  One of them actually gave me vertigo - a result of the needles on my head - and probably lack of experience of the acupuncturist.  It took a different one to get rid of the vertigo and I never let them put needles above my neck again.  One of the ways I found to tell which one was a "good" experienced acupuncturist, is that there was no pain when they inserted the needles.  Quite frankly, the best one I saw was asian.
Hope you're feeling better.
 
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   Posted 4/25/2008 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh I'm so glad I found this thread! I am supposed to start my first accupuncture treatment on May 1st. Of course my insurance doesn't cover it either and it's going to be about $65 a visit - so I was hoping that I would hear some good things about this and that I'm not going to waste my money. The doc that is doing it is a MD and certified in accupunture so I guess I am getting the best of both worlds then huh?


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   Posted 4/25/2008 1:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Red,
Since you're paying out of pocket, and your appointment is next week, when you go ask about your doctor's training. Is it in traditional Chinese acupuncture? And also how long he/she's been doing this, etc. That way if you're not getting some improvement you can evaluate if there's another practitioner with different experience/training. If I was paying, I'd probably take a traditionally trained, experienced, non-MD practitioner over an MD who's had training in the US in some westernized version. Of course, if you can get both in one person, that's great! And the bottom line is if you get some help with your pain.

Let us know!

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   Posted 4/25/2008 1:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Red:

Call the accupuncturist and see what they say about insurance. The guy I'm seeing is a licensed MD also, and when I told them I was concerned about coverage they told me that it's all in how it gets billed. This doc has worked carefully to find the best way to submit his bills to the insurance companies so that his patients get the maximum possible benefit. For me it worked out to 100% coverage! I was shocked, but pleasantly so!

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   Posted 4/25/2008 1:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,
I have been getting accupunture for chronic abdominal pain for the last five years. I get it 1-2 times a week and truly feel I benefit from it. My doctor went through five years of training for it and is very good. When I first started, I went five times a week for about 2 months. Then we backed off to 3 times and now 1-2 times. At first, he charged me very little because I was a guinea pig for him. He hadn't ever treated my kind of pain before. Now I pay $25 a visit which is still quite cheap. My insurance doesn't cover it. It not only helps with my pain but it also relaxes me. I will tell you that I honestly didn't think it would work when I started it. My boss was bugging me to try it and I figured it couldn't hurt. Now, I am a true believer! I still have to take pain meds but was able to cut the amount in half. Good luck to you!
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   Posted 4/25/2008 11:49 PM (GMT -7)   
My doctor told me today that they offer accupuncture at the facility where she practices. For those who don't have much money, like maybe ME, they only charge $5 a session. I'm considering it.

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   Posted 4/26/2008 4:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the advice PAlady and ryand! I will let you know the outcome. I was just telling my hubby that personally I don't see how inserting thin needles into someones back could possibly help but I'm willing to give it a go if it can take care of this back pain. So I'm gonna go in with an open mind - or at least try! :)
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   Posted 4/26/2008 6:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Red:

I'm right there with you - desperate for help so I'll try anything. I haven't noticed any change so far (only 2 treatments) but it hasn't made things worse either. I will let you know how it goes.

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   Posted 5/1/2008 1:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Ryand, I went in today but didn't have the accupuncture treatment yet. I start them on May 9th. But he did do the energy test on my legs. Did you get that too? He said the normal range for energy is around the 200-400 mark but my legs barely registered at 10. So he says that can also be the reason why my legs feel like lead weights all the time! He said he recommended I see him twice a week for about a month and maybe do a monthly maintenance treatment. How often do you go in?
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   Posted 5/1/2008 4:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Red. I'm glad you got in. They didn't do a test like that with me, but I don't have issues extending into my legs - just the back and neck. I am going in once a week for now. My 3rd appointment is tomorrow. I'm still working out the kinks right now. The laying on my stomach was just plain unbearable, and although the massage chair was not so painful it was still not entirely comfortable so I know I didn't relax at all. Last time the doc suggested that he could do a treatment with me laying on my side in a curled up "fetal" position. That is actually the only way I'm able to sleep (although still only a couple hours at a shot..) so I'm going to have them try that tomorrow. We'll see what happens. I'm not ready to give up on it yet, though. I am still hoping it will be my miracle! I hope it is yours too, Red.

Ry

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   Posted 5/2/2008 3:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm hoping this works too! :) I am going to give it a month or so and if I find no relief then I might go see a chiropractor. I have a lot of issues with my back. You should ask to see if they do the energy test - not sure if there is another name for it or not. It's sort of interesting. It can work for both the upper and lower part of your body. This doctor was very funny and nice - I really liked him. He had me hold a metal rod in my hand - the metal rod was attached to a machine - another wand was what he tested the energy levels. He place the wand on my foot and the needle barely moved so he looks at me and says "Are you sure your alive??" lol He then proceeded to tell me what is normal and what is not. But he had me also test my arms and hands in which the needle flew up to 200 or so but then he would put the wand back on my legs and almost nothing. According to him, this will help him pinpoint my more troublesome areas.

I'm wishing you the best too Ry! :) I hope this works for you.
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   Posted 5/2/2008 1:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Red,
I'm curious - how much are you being charged for this energy test? And did you find out what background and training this person has? To be honest, i know there are some things certain practitioners can do that have no scientific basis whatsoever (and I know western medicine is very slow to acknowledge the benefits of different things like acunpuncture, so I'm not saying everything has to have a lot of scientific evidence to be useful) and I'd hate to see you being paying a lot of $ for something that may not be necessary at all. I took some training in a type of acupressure technique years ago and the man who was behind the training wanted $10,000 to train directly with him and $100,000 for his "energy testing" machine. Unfortunately a lot of people got sucked into this. I couldn't have afforded to if I had wanted to! But I did train with someone who had been trained by thie "originator" (these things are ancient, so there really is no living originator in my book) and this person I trained with did it ethically, and for a reasonably amount of money. The man I trained with has since gone on to write several books and does training at major conferences. He's a good man and doesn't soak people for this $100,000 machine which was really unecessary. So that's why I ask about the money you're spending on the testing. If it's a lot, I'd be asking a lot of questions.

And I want to say clearly that I believe in acupuncture and would be having it myself if I could afford it, but would look very skeptically on paying for any kind of energy testing.

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   Posted 5/3/2008 5:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Palady - he didn't charge me anything for the test. In fact, my whole consultation visit was free. The treatments however, I have to pay $65 per visit because my insurance doesn't cover it.
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   Posted 5/3/2008 7:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Red:

I asked the nurse/tech about the energy thing (I forgot while the doc was in there) and she said they didn't have anything that sounded like that, but then she also said that there are about as many different types of accupuncturists as there are stars. She said they all have different "focuses" in the field, so it's hard to offer an opinion about it. I'll be interested to hear how he uses the test to plan your treatment. I hope you are able to get some relief once they start the treatments for you. If you decide to go the chiropractic route, be careful. I have done that in the past with good results, but then since this injury chiropractic only made things worse - oh the pain!!! Just be sure you find someone you really feel will listen to you.

They had me lay on my side (in a fetal position) this time, and that was MUCH more bearable for me. I think I really could relax a bit this time. I had a really bad end of the week with my back - on Thursday my neck was so off that I couldn't move my head and then on Friday I had a major spasm on my right side. So far I don't notice any change today after the treatment yesterday. In fact this morning my side is still messed up and I've had to take extra pain meds. ((SIGH)) It just seems like it will never end sometimes!

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   Posted 5/9/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ryand! :) I just wanted to give you an update on my acc. appt. I went in this morning and the doc had me lie on my back. He then had me hold a metal bar again which was connected to an electric wand. He put the wand on my leg, clicked it and asked me if I felt that. I said, felt what? He started to laugh and said I had some serious lack of energy flow. So he tried the wand again on various parts of my leg and the only place I felt it was on my left foot by my toes. It was then I told him Ohhh so it's supposed to be electric jolts?? And he just chuckled again because seriously I had no feeling whatsoever. So then he started placing the needles. He wanted to get my energy level up before working on my back. He put one in each foot, 2 in my legs, 1 in my hands and one under my collar bones. The ones in my feet hurt but rest of them didn't. I had to lay there for 30 minutes and try to relax - umm not that easy when my back was hurting and there was a bathroom next to me in which people were going in and flushing every 5 minutes! But anyway, as I was lying there, my right side of my body started getting realllll warm and my left started to freeze! It was such a wicked experience! By the time the 30 minutes was up, my left side was actually aching a bit from the cold. So I get dressed and that is when I realized that my right side did actually feel better! I no longer have that heavy fatigued feeling in my right leg - now my left, that is another story. That seems to be a bit worse. So anyway, I just thought I would let you know how my appt went. I go in for my second treatment on Monday.
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   Posted 5/9/2008 12:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Red,
That sounds like good news. I know that it can take several - I've heard easily up to 10 - treatments to get decent effectiveness, and as long as you're noticing some slow improvement that seems worthy of proceeding. And remember, it's not a cure, but can be used to manage pain over time - and it sure beats meds, or can help reduce the meds you may need.

Keep us posted!

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   Posted 5/9/2008 2:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Red! Thanks for the update. I was just thinking about you today and wondering i you'd gone yet. I am SO excited for you that you had some results so quickly!! It will be interesting to see if you continue to see improvements and if it feels the same each time. I am especially curios to hear how he treats your back when you get to that point.

I have had my 4th treatment now, but unfortunately I still haven't had any results at all. They had me lay in the fetal position on my side again and still used the small needles. I was in a bad way for the 3 days before that appointment, so that made my back extra sensitive to the needles. A few of them really hurt when he put them in, and what's really weird is that they hurt even worse when they took them out! Isn't that strange? The one thing they do that I really like is called "Moxa" treatments. After they put the needles in, they light this cigar looking thing (that's the Moxa) and hold the hot end very near to the needles. The heat really penetrates into the deeper part of my back, so while they are doing it I really do feel a tiny bit of relief. I wish it lasted longer, though. As soon as they stop, the pain get right back up there. You should ask your guy about it and see if they will do that for you too.

I have decided to give it one more treatment before giving up on it. PAlady, it was interesting to hear you say 10 visits. But I suppose since I'm not seeing any improvements 5 is enough, right? I don't want to give up too soon. The doc was very honest with me and said this just doesn't work for everyone. He seemed to feel really badly that I haven't gotten any better. Maybe 5th time is the charm! :-)

Let me know how you feel after a few days, Red. I hope you get some enduring relief - and also for the other leg!

Ry

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   Posted 5/9/2008 3:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Ry -
I've heard that from some practitioners. But I don't know if it holds true in all cases. It seems to me you should see/feel at least some changes in a positive direction by the 5th treatment, but I'm no expert. As i said before, I think the skill of the practitioner is critical, and it's hard to evaluate that since acupuncture is fairly 'new' to western medicine. Maybe you may want to try another practitioner before giving up, Ry?

I wish I had the $$ to try some!

PaLady

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   Posted 5/10/2008 5:14 AM (GMT -7)   
I think that this may work to help ease the leg heaviness but I seriously don't know if it's going to help my back pain. I'm gonna cross my fingers though! :) Ry, you have say to yourself and click your heels 3 times - 5th time is a charm, 5th time is a charm, 5th time is a charm! :)

PaLady, yeah, I know it's not a cure but any sort of relief I can get I will gladly take! :) I am highly restricted in the pain meds I can take because of my Uc. So, I'm hoping that this can bring long term relief - or at least until the docs can figure out what is wrong with me.


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