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Freya
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   Posted 5/15/2008 9:10 PM (GMT -7)   
 
    For the past year since I started oxy I've had really vivid dreams and most of the time really appriciate my sub concious' creativity.  But recently my dreams have turned from enteraining to disturbing and at times too real for my liking. 
  
  I've always managed to brush them off and just try for good sleep again the next night.  But they are getting so scary that when I wake up I have to leave a light on and actually check to make sure the door is locked.
 
      Has anyone else experienced nighmares on oxy, its not like me to have these sorts of dreams.  The last nightamre was of someone trying to strangle me,  I opened my eyes and felt it so distinctivly that I closed my eyes thinking there was really someone in my house and if I pretended to pass out they would stop. 
  It is the scariest strangest thing I've ever experienced and fear that the oxy is to blame for them as I've never been a nightmare kind of person.  But I have been on it for about a year and it has never been a problem unless the very strange happy dreams are from it too.  
 
   Has anyone else had nighmares of pain meds or should my next stop be crazyville??
 
And if I'm not losing it, what can I do to stop them or sleep through the night? I havent been able to sleep at night all week and feel so exhausted during the day.
 
Freya
 
 
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
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PAlady
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   Posted 5/15/2008 9:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Freya,
I've never taken oxy so I can't answer your question directly. I'd go to the website for the drug and see if it's a possible side effect. But if it wasn't bothering you before, maybe something new is at work. You seemed to indicate some appreciation for your unconscious. These sound like anxiety dreams, and is there something new in your life causing your anxiety level to rise compared to last year? You certainly don't want to go a long time without decent sleep. Have you ever done any work with your dreams? Or kept a dream journal?

Also do you have any relaxation tapes? A woman by the name of Belleruth Naparstek makes excellent resources - guided imagery CD's. I have no monetary affiliation with her, and if you search the resource section of Healing Well (put in her name) it should take you to her website or where you can buy her material. She has a CD to help with sleep; I've used it often. And she's just come out with one for panic and anxiety. She's the best in the business; her imagery CD's are used in a lot of research studies. I'd give you her website, but I'm not sure that's ok, but if you find it through Healing Well, I think they would benefit if you purchased anything.

Otherwise, you may want to speak with your doctor, especially if this goes on too long. I hope some others on oxy will respond in the near future.

Hugs,
PaLady

Freya
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   Posted 5/16/2008 11:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you PaLady. I called my Doctor today and she said that a few people have complained of the same thing in the past. not always nightmares but night desturbances like not sleeping through the night, very strange dreams and waking up with stange confusion. She told me to take my pills about an hour or more before I go to sleep and not right before I get into bed and see if that changed anything. She said that when you first fall asleep your not into a deep enough sleep to avoid having external noises and even fellings in your own body be incorperated into dreams. On ocassion I do still feel a little woozy when the medicine releases, but thats so few and far between that I didnt think that that feeling could cause any sleep disturbance. She also pointed out that since I have very long hair that my hair could have even just been resting against my neck and when your in between sleep and awake you transfer that feeling. And also if you fall asleep with the TV on since you still hear when your sleeping. She said when your taking Narcotics any disturbance in sleep could seem starnger than it normally would. I dont know if she's just digging deep but I'll change my meds a bit to see if I can get back to only waking from pain and not awful nightamares. She did say that if it continued she would prescribe me something to help me stay asleep.

I guess no one else has experiencd that.
Oh well.
But thank you for your reply, I'm going to look into getting the CD and
I think I will start writting my dreams down regardless, maybe I'm missing a sub concious message!

Freya
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
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PAlady
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   Posted 5/16/2008 1:04 PM (GMT -7)   
By the way, if you go to her website you can listen to small cuts from the CD's (I guess you can download them to MP3's and Ipods but I don't have those!) for free, and that gives you a sample. Plus, some libraries carry her material, especially in their audio sections.

Your doctor's right about something called "sleep hygiene". That means our bedrooms should be, theoretically, for two things - sleeping and sex (and for some of us it's been ages since the latter!). So all the things we have in the bedroom - tv's, computers', etc. distract the mind from the purpose of the space. Plus any light in the room (from a tv/computer that's still on, an outside street lamp) can affect how deeply we sleep. Some people use the eye masks for that purpose. I don't have a tv in my bedroom because I only own one tv, but it's probably a good thing as my days and nights are all screwed up as it is!

Let us know how you do, but follow your doc's instructions and don't let it go too long before you get some help sleeping, one way or another. I didn't realize how chronically sleep deprived I was (because of untreated pain) until I finally got one vicodin to take at bedtime a couple of years ago. Course now I need a lot more at night!

PaLady

Sherrine
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   Posted 5/16/2008 2:07 PM (GMT -7)   

According to this site, oxycontin can cause nightmares.  Here is the link to it.

http://www.migraines.org/treatment/prooxyco.htm

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Lakeside
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   Posted 5/16/2008 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Freya! Yes, oxy can give you awful dreams, as can hyrdocodone (Vicodin) & I got them also from taking neurontin (gabapentin) and when they gave me Reglan for anti-nausea (after my 2nd sugery) it was like instant pharmaceutical paranoia---terrible dreams, feelings of doom and despair, sucicidal thoughts....so yes, meds can have some VERY upseting sleep effects.

Talk to your doc---there must be something else to RX than can give you good pain releif & let you sleep w/o the nightmares. A good sleeping pill (not a pain reliever, but works very gently) is Restoril---an "old" one, somewhat in the Valuim family--it's a benzodiazepine & the generic name is "temazepam".Comes in 7.5, 15 & 30 mg---the 7.5 works well for me & if taken w/ a pain pill that you can tolerate, will maybe give you the rest you need? It also won;t leave you w/ a head-ache, like the newer "designer" sleeping pills (Ambien, Sonata) sometimes do.

Worth a try, if you just need some peaceful, natural sleep. You dream, but it's just regular dreams. And it also increases your REM stage (stage 4, the restful part) so if you've been sleep-deprived, after a few nights of good sleep, sometimes your pain levels go down.

Good luck! I hate nightmares! Reglan's were the worst, but oxy's were close to them---UGH!!

~Lakeside
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. Good relief from sciatica & leg/nerve pain, tho some residual CP--hope to be "Healing Well"...


Freya
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   Posted 5/16/2008 11:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you all for your replys. Its nice to know its not just me or that I just have some very distubing sub-cocious thoughts. Worried me for a while!

I will defenitly take my Dr up on her offer if I cant sleep through the night...which surprise its 2am and here I sit. Oh well, guess the change wont happen over night (chessy Pun intended) I would want something thats gental and not something thats going to put me flat on my bum after I take it. I do like the feeling of naturally falling asleep so I'll be sure to metion it if I have to give her another call.

I'm glad you had that link Sherrine, great help. Thanks

I think that that CD will help regarless of whether these sleep disturbances go away on there own or not. Its always a good idea to get as much help as you can get with CP. I do have a TV in the bedroom which probably isnt the greatest idea because we tend to turn it on when we get into bed. You gatta do something when sex isnt an option!
But really we should take it out, I have heard about the things your saying PALady. Almost like that Fung Shu(thats defenitly the wrong spelling)
Perhaps I should do a little re-arrange, well maybe I should talk my hubby into doing a little re-arranging:) I am very sleep deprived, sometimes when I wake up from a nighmare I'm so tired that I get confused about what is real and what isnt. It takes me a few minutes to adjust to my srroundings, but when I lay back down I just cant fall back to sleep and I'm left to depend on TV to pass the time. I'm sure as CP'ers you all know what TV is like in the early hours! My nighmares are more entertaining!!


I'll let you know when I'm finally sleeping through the night, Oh how I look forward to it:) Thanks for everyones help and suggestions.

Many Hugs

Freya
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


PAlady
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   Posted 5/16/2008 11:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Freya,
I sure do know about late night tv! It's pretty bad when you know the overnight schedule!!! lol

PaLady

Lakeside
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   Posted 5/17/2008 6:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Freya, that's why i suggested Restoril---it's very gentle, you fall asleep in about 20 minutes & it should cut you about 6-7 nice hours of rest.

Give it a try! It's been around for years & is very safe and doesn't cause dependancy like some others. My doc scripted it for me as "Take 7.5 gm before bedtime PRN" and it works great!

Good luck, dear! Insomina is bad for pain, too, as you body needs rest to get those pain levels down.

~LAkeside
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. Good relief from sciatica & leg/nerve pain, tho some residual CP--hope to be "Healing Well"...


Freya
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   Posted 5/17/2008 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Lakeside!! I intend to make it my first call Monday morning and have already researched the medication. Sounds like a really beneficial sleep aid!
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


keepingthefaith
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   Posted 5/17/2008 9:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Your not crazieeee.  I have very disturbing nightmares every night.  They are so real, sometimes I need to get up so I don't fall back into them.  Sometimes, they affect me so much that I think about them throughout the day.  Its weird, they're always about my ex husband and all the people from 25 years ago.  Also, in the dreams, I'm always being chased, lost, losing my car & purse.  Thats a given.  Very weird.  God Bless!

Dx with CD 1987, 3 resections, 3 abcess sx, DDD back & hips, bulging disk, Major depression/anxiety, kidney stones & sx to remove, now 45 yrs old.  Still trying to figure this disease out & of course all the little extra complications that come with this rollarcoaster of a life with CD. 
 
Meds:Humira 40mg every other wk, Imuran .75 daily, welchol 625 x 3 daily, cymbalta 60 mg daily, fish oil, vit e,folic acid,Vit B12,inject monthly, Oscal w/Vit D
 
         
 
 


katt61569
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   Posted 5/17/2008 9:11 PM (GMT -7)   
HI I too take oxy and have started having very vivid dreams.. I suffer from BPD also so was afraid symtems of it were coming back other than meds are all working every place else in my life so was really afraid of having to change any of them again after 5 hospitaizations to get them right.. It is so nice to hear that somebody else is having this problem.. I am going to do what your dr suggested for you an see if that helps me any since i have time before my next dr appt..if they don't work will discuss it with my dr.. thanks for your post it has eased my mind some if nothing else that i am not alone.. Thank you again Di
Fibro...Depression...Borderline Personality...High Blood Pressure.. Arthritist...Sleep Apnea...Restless Leg Syndrome...Anxiety/Panic Disorder...Mood disorder...Post Tramatic Stress and God knows what else.


Freya
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   Posted 5/18/2008 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank katt and Faith, it puts me at ease to know this is not anything going on with my own thoughts. But wish you were not having these problems either, I know just how scary it can be. I am also always being chased, or physically hurt in my nightmares. Usually I can brush them off after I get up for a little while but they do seem to be getting more real, and this last one was so disturbing I actually felt haunted by it the next day! I do know exactly what you mean Faith, sometimes I wonder why the heck these people I havent seen in 10 years are in my dreams. No need to go to the school reunin, I see them enough now!
I'm glad my Dr's advise could help you Kitt. You never know you may not even need anything from your Dr by the time you see them.

Let me know how it works out for you:)

Hugs
Freya
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


PAlady
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   Posted 5/18/2008 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
This is really making me curious about what's in oxy that seems to affect dreams - particularly anxiety. I'm going to ask my cousin when I think of it; she's a pharmacist. I want to know since oxycontin is one of my next options!

PaLady

Freya
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   Posted 5/19/2008 6:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Let us know too PaLady, I'm wondering just what it is myself!
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


Lakeside
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   Posted 5/19/2008 8:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Oxy just left me a total wreck (had it RX'd after surgery # 2) I had to cut them into 1/4's to even keep them down & even then they "jazzed" me up, made me anxious & restless, insomnia, didn't help the pain much & I when I could sleep, had the worst distrubing dreams....just awful stuff for me. (It was hydrocodone IBF, like Vicodin w/ Advil) The original script was "take 1 tablet by mouth every 4 hrs for pain" & there was no way I could keep that amount "down/in" and the pain was soooo bad.... They then tried a Fentanyl patch (25 mg only) and that gave me halucinations! So it was back to good ol' Advil and lots of ice.....

I remember lying there, just weeping out of pain & frustration....thinking: they can put a man on the moon, but......" I was miserable for months!!

Finally, b4 my recent fusion, his PA asked if I'd ever tried dilaudid, as morphine made me sick, but did help the pain. So that's what I use now: valuim/dilaudid combo PRN & it's made a world of difference in getting my rest & strength back. Freya, I hope your doc came thru today w/ some remedy & that you get some rest now---or Restoril, haha.

Keep us in the loop! Lady, too---let us know what your cousin says. I swear that pharmacists know more about RX-ing drugs & their effects than any doc I've ever known! Sometimes I wish my pharm was my doc!! Or that our cats' VET was my doc..! They are always so gentle & calm...maybe I need to see my cat's doc! :)

Keep us posted!

~Lakeside
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
 
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
 
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. 


Freya
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   Posted 5/19/2008 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Lakeside thata an awful experience! I take it you were onthe short acting as I'm sure you'd be flying if you broke the oxycontin in half, I'd imagine you'd be too out of it to feel anything at that point!!
I've only had Dilaudid once at the ER but it was IV, they gave me a script to take home but I didnt know I was allowed to tale them. You can imagine how frustrated I was when my doc said "oh I told them to give you whatever they wanted" It was too late by that time I had thrown them out!! What a terrible waste of a goof pain med!
I am glad it works for you with a valium combo. That remins me of ordering a sandwich...I'll take a dilaudud/valium combo heavy on the dilaudid.
Is it just me??

I actually went to my pharmacy before I called my PM doc, it ends up my tiny town is finally out of generic oxy so its on to the name brand for me.
I decided to first try to switch and see if anything changes with my nightmares then call tomorrow if its the same. I posted a new thread hoping someone can tell me if I should expect a difference...any new side effects or anything. I do itch a bit if its humid, hopefullt that wont increase.
The girl checking me out looked at me with a little smile said "this is a little stronger than the generic" I was a little uncomfortable with the way she said it. I almost felt like I was doing something wrong with her sneaky looking smile. I'm sure she was just trying to be friendly, probably nicer than most pharmacy people.

Anyway thats my story for today. As long as this new oxy is the same and doesnt leave me dancing naked in the street I'll probably call tomorrow. Would that really be a reason to complain?
I always get a little nervous with new medication, even if its the same.
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


PAlady
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   Posted 5/19/2008 10:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Freya,
I think if med. left me dancing in the streets I might keep taking it! LOL

I wil try to remember to ask my cousin when I see her this weekend.

Lakeside - I'm a little confused. It sounds like you were on hydrocodone, which isn't the same as oxycontin. You definitely don't want to break up the oxycontin tabs - that's what addicts to to get the initial rush from some of the extended release components.

Chilly here still, Lakeside. Where's that sun you promised?!

PaLady

Lakeside
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   Posted 5/19/2008 6:31 PM (GMT -7)   
It was hydrocodone IBF, b/c the oxy made me sick; but the hyrdo made me sick, also. I only broke the hyrdo in 1/4's, as they said NOT to cut into the oxy, for the reason you mentioned, PALady. B/c I require such low doses, I usually break meds in 1/2 or less, like the Valuim (which is scored for cutting in half anyway.) My dilaudid is only 2mg, the smallest they offer & my pharm never has it in stock, as they usually only dispense the 4 or 8 mg pills. So I need VERY LITTLE meds, but when I need them, I, like anyone else, really DO need them! I'm very sensitive to meds (I'm an "under-metabolizer" meaning I get little relief & most of the side-effects) so when I FINALLY find something that works (love the "sandwich", Freya, LOL!) I get really excited! Took me over a year to find some good relief (the dilaudid/valium/ Advil combo,please--heavy on the Valuim tonight...) and the difference is like night/day as to how I now cope better w/ all the "fall-out" and CP from my priors & now the fusion.

ANYWAY....let's hope we ALL find something that works! And I think Gramps said sometime ago that nothing works ALL the time....so I hope we all get whatever we need, when we need it, chaning things if necessary, but always finding some relief...isn't that a Constitutional right: part of the "persuit of happiness" to be pain-free or in the least amount of pain possible?! And go dancing in the street! I love that image! :) We need to do that!!

Had the MRI----hardware did tingle a bit & got a little warm, but nothing major. Will post w/ results when I hear from my neuro in a few days. Sciatica is worse again tonight & that whole epidural area feels "starched"---I hear a little voice whispering: "....scar tissue...." Ugh! Brrrrr! Nooo!
But the other voice is saying: "Que sera sera".... (Could be Doris Day??)

Let us have NO nightmares tonight!

~~LAkeside~~~
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
 
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
 
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. 


Freya
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   Posted 5/20/2008 3:28 AM (GMT -7)   
I hope everything is fine with your MRI and you have no scar tissue. I will look forward to your post about the results.

Just for an update, the change to the brand name went better than I expected(not sure what I was thinking was going to happen??)
It is a bit stronger but not in a huge way. It made me very sleepy at bed time, which I appeciated and actually slept for a full 8 hours, nighmare free!!
It may haved been because I was exhausted but I'll take it, whatever the reason.
It take less time ti actually start working and seems to cover my pain a little better, which is what I needed. Well see if it keeps up.
It actually remind me of the first generic I took before they again switched generics. Hopefully they have now made up there mind as to which medication will be used!!

All is well this morning:):) Hope it is for everyone else!
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


Lakeside
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   Posted 5/20/2008 6:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Freya, glad your new meds are working! And that you actually got 8 hrs of sleep! Oh, I wish!!! Great news! Hope it "holds" for you & you can get the rest now you need to heal & feel better!

I'll hear sometime this week from my neuro re my MRI & will post his DX. Hurts like the dickens back there today--not in the fusion area, but below, in the L5 disk & in to the right leg/foot again....will be interesting to see if anything "shows up", as he said sometimes the MRI looks perfect but you can still have pain & vice versa....

What a mysterious thing our backs are, huh! What we once took for granted!

Beautiful day here today--will get out for my walks, distract myself & be thankful for what i CAN do!

Let's all have a "low-level" pain day today!

~Lakeside
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
 
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
 
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. 


katt61569
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   Posted 5/20/2008 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Glad no nightmares.. I haven't had any for a few days either so yur dr advise must be working ..thank god.. was giving husband and daughter nightmares about what i was going to dream about..always have totell them about them to see their faces..lol that way i am not the only one freaked out. just wish i could control my back pain with out the fentora 400 mg pills (not have so much break through pain). well hope eerybody has a great day. I am just sweating in the heatwave of the west only supposed to be 115 degrees here today so send me some rain somebody.
 
Di
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PAlady
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   Posted 5/20/2008 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Freya,
You'll likely find the name brand better and more stable - as that's precisely what it is. Since it's a little stronger, the generic you had may have only been at about 80% of the strength, but the nice thing is the name brand has to be made to stricter standards to be at 100% of the active ingredient all the time. The first generic you took may have been closer to that amount. And the inert ingredients (the components that bind the active ingredients) can be different between generics and brand, so once again the extended release aspect may be more stable and predictable. I take a medication for a seizure disorder; I've taken it since I was 14. It's one of the few drugs where the generic is not considered equivalent because the time release elements cause too much variability in blood levels, and people have had seizures who are otherwise stable on the brand name. So my doc always demands the brand name, and insurance pays.
It'll be interesting to see how it affects your nightmares!

Lakeside - have you ever had trouble with your SI (sacro-illiac) joint? I only ask because that being out of place just doubles all my leg and foot pain. I've been doing my exercises and wearing the belt, but it still slipped out again and I know it because of pain. Got another appointment with my angel of a PT on Thursday. Of course, the basic leg/sciatic/feet symtoms are there even with the SI joint in place; they just get worse when it goes out. You're so right about these backs of ours!

Katt - welcome! Your post reminded me of the tv show Medium. She's always telling her husband about her dreams! Would that we all could be psychic! i'll take some of that heat, and I bet Lakeside would, too. Still in the 50's here. Chilly for May even for PA. I haven't even put the screens in yet, and still using the heat which means more $$. Course, you're probably in need of A/C!

Hugs to all,
PaLady

Freya
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Date Joined Apr 2008
Total Posts : 164
   Posted 5/20/2008 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Seems the wheather is the same in NY, I think it's acually raining again now. It's so depressing, even when you have to be in bed and he sun comes through you just feel a little better. Plus my pain acts funny with rain(always thought that was kust for knees)
My husband thinks I'm a freak because he never remembers his dreams. I have started to write them down as PaLady suggested, and I have realized just how long and vivid they are. Even my normal dreams. They take up 6 pages in my book. My husband reads them when he's bored. I only have a few in there but I do seem to remember my dreams every night and ones from last month, Sometimes they stop when I wake up in the middle of the night and pick up exactly where they left off when I fall back to sleep.
Is that really strange?

Maybe I should go get a sleep study to see why I remember my dreams so often and why they are so vivid.
Ever since my nightmares started I'v been a bit obsessed with researching the subject of dreaming. They even have information for psychic dreams in there as I guess many people have had them, supposibly those are in color.
Just a little useless info for all, you never know!

I am glad I now know the difference between the brand name and the generics, I knew there was a difference just didnt know what. I do hope it is more stable than the one I was taking. I can only hopw that that was the whole problem...yeah right!
  In suffering, we are given the key to a door which most rarely 
      get to open.  Behind it lies the ultimate gift which is only visible
                             in our darkest hour.
                                True strength.


Lakeside
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Date Joined Jun 2007
Total Posts : 138
   Posted 5/20/2008 3:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I love this thread! Dreams! Bad Weather! New Meds! Old Meds! MRI's! SI Pain! Sounds like a book about CP for those who've been around the block---dancing in the streets, Freya!

Love the image of your husband reading YOUR dreams, when HE'S bored! LOL! And dreaming in color: I usually do, and most of mine include music, or some sort of soundtrack. No credit-crawl at the end, yet, but I'm working on it!

Dreaming is a necessity for sanity. Studies have shown that when sleepers are awaked b4 they go into the REM portion (dream state) they are not refreshed the next day, no matter how long they sleep. (Remember when our kids were little & we were yanked awake every few hours? Not only the short-sleep time, but the lack of dreaming made us zombies.) So the quality of your sleep can be indicated by how long you are in the stage 4/REM dream mode. My hubby is a lousy sleeper---hardly ever dreams, moves around all night, does have some apnea...when he went to the hosp sleep center for a DX, they watched him flop around all night & said he'd only been in the REM stage for 15 minutes during a total of 7 hrs of "sleep"---and that was why he was always exhausted & worn-out. It's better now, but he still doesn;t remember his dreams.

I sleep like a log, look like I'm dead, hardly move & dream really intensely. Even now, w/ all this pain, give me a Restoril & I'm out for at least 6 hrs, which is pretty good, considering the amout of pain lately.

So here's to a good nights' sleep for us all! We have a sunny day--will send it EAST to PALady --can't do much for the 115 degree heat wave, tho..sorry. Oh, yes, Lady: I did have SI joint problems on/off last year...even had an injection in there...I know what you mean about that pain...and walking funny, like Charlie Chaplin when it's bad. Comes/goes...ach, what can you do?

Will get back here tomorrow, maybe w/ MRI DX....gotta go for a PM walk now, been sitting too long!

"Night all!

~Lakeside
Nov. 06-- Lammy @ L4, removal of spinal cystic tumor @ L4/5(benign)
 
Dec. 06--Re-operation for post-surgical spinal fluid leak.  2nd surgery caused sciatic nerve damage & radiculopathy in R leg/foot,  increased spinal instability (grade 1 spondy, 17%), epidural scar tissue binding nerve roots, damaged facet joints & worsened DDD @ L4/5
 
Jan.  08--PLIF fusion/discetomy surgery w/pedicle screw instrumentation @ L4/L5, another lammy (@ L/5 this time) & bone marrow harvest from left iliac crest for packing bone around disc cages after total discectomy @ L4/5. 

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