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Mr.T
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   Posted 7/12/2008 9:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello,  I have been having severe middle back pain for a few months now.  I have has it on and off for quite some time, but now it has gotten really bad.  I have had an MRI and X-ray and they said nothing unusual showed up and it must be my muscles.  They dive me muscle relaxants which do not help at all.  The pain feels like it is in the spine not my muscles.  I do not know what to do.  I cannot sit or stans for any period of time before my mid back starts to really hurt.  The only thing I can do is bend into a ball form and I get some relief then.  I do not know what to do next if anything.  I t can make me feel really sick at times.  Has anyone gone through this and have any advice? I don't want to waste to doctors time and they say most of the time they cannot tell what causes the pain.  I Any insight or information will help.  Thanks in advance. 

PAlady
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   Posted 7/12/2008 10:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Mr. T.,
Welcome to the Healing Well forum. I'm sorry that you have reason to be here. I'm not sure how much I can help; I'm not a doctor. Other than the muscle relaxants, have you had any other treatments like physical therapy? A good physical therapist could help identify more what may be going on with muscles, and offer treatments such as heat, massage, TENS unit, ultrasound, and/or stretches (appropriate ones). Did you have an injury or did the pain start out of the blue? Tell us all a little more about your situation and maybe we can give more specific suggestions.

Even though the MRI and X-rays don't show anything unusual, muscles attach to the spine, so the pain can be located close to where the muscles attach to the bone.

Others will hopefully have more to offer.

Again, welcome

PaLady

Post Edited (PAlady) : 7/12/2008 11:09:27 PM (GMT-6)


Lindaloo
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   Posted 7/13/2008 5:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Mr. T,

I have a story to share with you.

When I was in my very early thirties, I suffered with back pain. To make a long story short, after years of suffering, I had back surgery which was successful, but during those years prior to the surgery, I was laid up in bed and after the surgery, I still had pain. I was very disappointed, but was referred to a pain specialist doctor, who examined me and told me the problems I was facing was in the muscles in my back and abdomen. This was as a result from being laid up in bed for a long time.

So, I went to physical therapy, a good therapist worked on me and I strengthened my muscles. It took me a year, but afterwards, I was pain free. I almost didn't believe that physical therapy could work on relieving my pain, but having a good therapist and a lot of diligence on my part paid off.

I highly recommend that you investigate PT. Also, I had a TENS unit as well. There are many posts about TENS units here on Healing Well. Just type TENS in the search button at the top of this page if you want to read about it. They really work and saved me from a lot of pain too.

Don't despair, Mr. T. Help is out there.

God's blessings and gentle hugs,

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   Posted 7/13/2008 8:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Where in your back did you have your MRI? What about your neck, has that been scanned? The reason I ask is because I had severe middle (thoracic) back pain for the past couple years. After it got extremely bad did I finally persued a doctor about it. I've had every test you can imagine and finally after seeing a neurologist, he did a MRI of my neck and I found that I have 2 bulging discs in my neck. I asked him why it is hurting in my back and he said that when a disc bulges, it puts pressure on many nerves that run down along the back. I'm not saying that this may be the case for you but it's something to think about if you haven't had any scans of your neck yet.
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Dragoness Warrior
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   Posted 7/13/2008 9:22 AM (GMT -7)   

Mr. T, you have some very good advice here from everyone!!  I hope that maybe I can help a little too!!  You can also look into psysiatrics (sp?), they work on the muscles to try and get relief too!  But PT might help, and so might the TENS!  And I would talk to your doc about the neck too, because I have many bulging in my neck as well as a herniation too (along with the lower back) and I get pain in my thorasic region too!  I've never had an MRI there, but my doc seems to think that it's all related to my neck and other back problems, so I agree with Red on that one too!  PALady, Lindaloo, and Red have given some great suggestions!  I would definitely get other opinions too, not just one, because it can be hard to diagnose sometimes, pain is weird, you can have pain in weird places, places you never knew existed with some back issues!

Welcome to the forums, and I have to say, I'm SO sorry to hear that you are having such problems, it's not easy!  But you have a LOT of support and great advice here!!  I'm still fairly new to this site as well, but I've grown to care for each person here, we all have that CP in common!!  Keep your head high, and hope that we can help a little!

Good luck to all and I hope that we all find some sort of relief!!


PAlady
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   Posted 7/13/2008 9:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Dragoness -
A physiatrist is an excellent suggestion. Mr. T., that's a specialist in physical medicine (and NOT a psychiatrist although it sounds similar! LOL) If one is available in your area i'd ask for a referral. They really know how to evaluate muscle issues, and all type of physical therapy and similar treatments more than more family docs or even neurologists do. Most people have not even heard of them. A lot of times they may be part of a team at a spine center or a rehab facility.

PaLady

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   Posted 7/13/2008 1:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mr.T!

Just sorta thinking out loud here...if your back pain is relieved by curling into a ball...what you are basically doing is opening up the rear spaces in your vertebrae. That makes me think that when your spine is straightened back up something is pinching or somehow causing pain. I don't have an answer but some logic would suggest that is a place to consider. I know that the nerve roots come more out of the sides of the vertebral areas.

I have trouble sitting because between L5/S1 the nerve roots get pinched and shoots pain down the backs of both legs. Standing is better for me. Just some more to consider. Sure hope you find some relief!

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Dragoness Warrior
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   Posted 7/14/2008 12:27 PM (GMT -7)   

Chutz, I was thinking the same thing!!  That was why I thought that physiatrics might help too!  Good thinking there!!  Do great minds really think alike, or are we just interpreted as such??!  LOL!

Good luck Mr. T, you have a lot of good people on your side here!!


Mr.T
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   Posted 7/14/2008 6:20 PM (GMT -7)   

Wow.  Thanks everybody for your comments.  One thing I forgot to mention was the fact that I live in Thailand.  We do not have general doctors it's either a Doc in the Box or the hospital.  The hospitals are good, but I have to go there for everything from a cold up and think they look at my record and think darn he's a hypocondriac.  I don't know.  I just feel that way so I tend not to go back to follow up visits.  I did have the MRI of my total spine and X-ray and everything showed up ok.  I am going to pick up my files today and try another hospital.  It's only about an hour away so hopefully they will have a new eye on it. 

If I don't have severe pain everyday is it Chronic or not.  Yesterday it hurt but not real bad, but my joints all ached pretty bad.  It's just very confusing to me.  I wake up ok and within a few hours the pain begins then I get tired mid afternoon and barley can work then home.  Just don't know if it is something you just learn to live with.  Once again thanks for all your help and information.  It was amazing to see the responses and it did help me mentally for sure.


Dragoness Warrior
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   Posted 7/15/2008 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   

Mr. T, I do wish you the best!  And I do hope that the new hospital has a better outlook!  I'm sorry that things are so complicated there!  Make sure you like the doctor too, that really helps!  And it sounds like it might not be a chronic thing, but it still has potential, just stay on top of it, you will find a good doc and hopefully find relief too!!

Unfortunately, some chronic pain, you have to learn to live with, at least to some degree, I know it sounds pretty bad, but don't worry yourself until you talk to a good doc that wants to help and find out what the problem is!!  You may have something treatable yet!  So, don't worry yourself yet!  Stay strong and persistant, you will make it!!

I'm sure others might have more to add, the people here are great, a LOT of different views, and a LOT of support!!  Whether it's chronic or not, it's pain, and I wish you some relief!

Best of luck to you, and all!!


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   Posted 7/15/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Mr. T.,
Do you have physical therapists available in Thailand? When you go to this new hospital, ask about whether you could be referred to one, especially if they keep telling you it's in your muscles. You mention your joints being achey, too, and that might be some type of arthritis - I don't think you mentioned your age, but if you're older like many of us (LOL) some osteoarthritis is normal, and there are lots of things you could do. But if you're fairly young, you shouldn't be having a lot of joint aches. I also don't know what kind of work you do - if it involves a lot of lifting, moving, or even doing staying in any one position for a long time (standing, sitting, etc,) that could be aggravating it, and a physical therapist could look at what your job requires and teach you ways to move that would be less aggravating. And also how to strengthen the right muscles.

There is something called Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (TOS) that a lot of doctors don't know about. I wonder if that's part of what's going on, since you mention your mid-back, which is your thoracic spine.

Hope something here helps! Let us know how it goes at that second hospital.

PaLady

Mr.T
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   Posted 7/15/2008 8:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks again everyone.  I am going to try to pick up the records today, just too busy.  I don't know when I will go to the new hospital due to the fact my housemate found out he has cancer and will start treatments today.  I want to make sure I am in the position to take care of him.  This is a much bigger
problem than mine.  I can deal with the pain awhile longer.  If I get a chance to get away then I will do it, but I do really appreciate your advice it will help me when I do get to the doctors office.  I just turned 38 so joint and back aches and pains constantly and now my shins hurt so bad when I walk and ache when I sit.  This can't be normal.  I am in real estate so I am on the move most of the day. Maybe it is just arthritis.  Have a good day my new friends.

Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 7/16/2008 2:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Mr. T,
You really got some great advice here. I listened because I had almost exactly the same pain you had for the past two days.
As the Board members say, Pain is weird.
My husband is going for a test on his prostate. I'm worried about it. I have chronic pain and I wonder how I'll take care of him and me! It's scary.
I've had a terrible day ... I've been a _itch - couldn't help it. Maybe there has been an upsurge in my pain because of extra stress. (Worried about the stock market too!!)
We could end up in the street.
Pamela Painallover

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Dragoness Warrior
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   Posted 7/16/2008 9:58 AM (GMT -7)   

I'm so sorry to hear about your roomate Mr. T!  I hope that things go well!  But don't ignore yourself too, if you have the time, please see someone in between because the longer you wait, the more what ever it is, might set in!  I don't know exactly what you have, but it's best not to wait on it if you can!  I know that your roomate has bigger problems right now, and that is mighty big of you to be so kind as to take care of them!  I wish you and your roomate luck, and I hope things work out for the best!  Take care, both of you!!

Pamela Painallover, that is cute!!  LOL!  I'm SO sorry that you are in so much pain too, I feel bad for you too!  Don't stress over the little things, it hasn't happened, and you can't control the outcome, unfortunately!!  So, please, relax!!  I have anxiety too, so I know it's easier said than done to calm yourself, but the more you think about it, the more stress you are giving yourself over something that you can't control!  It's not fair to yourself!!  If something comes of it, then it's ok to worry, but don't panic!!  LOL!  Things always have a way of working out, it's just a matter of when, right!?  LOL!  Stay calm, you and your husband will get through it!!  Think positive!!

Good luck to you all!

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