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tom inpain
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   Posted 7/15/2008 8:42 PM (GMT -7)   
I was wondering if it's me or is it a feeling that everyone else has ? When i go to my pain doctor its a all day affair. I have always loved watching people and body language. Now all of us in pain know how we act, move, and talk while we are in pain. Picture a standing room only waiting room and
watching how people who claim to be in pain : move, walk, bend over etc.
I always engage in conversation with the ones who appear to be fine and it's amazing why they are there. i have even look at their mri films and the enclosed report and after seeing both if I could kick them in the rear-end out the door trust me if I could I would. These scamers are all there for the narcotics and we who
can't stand, have a hard painful time moving have to wait hours while these people hassle the Doctors to get their narcotics.
One guy asked me what i was taking which was years ago vicodan with durgestic patches plus i told him i only come every six weeks so my script back then was for a real lot of pills. This guy waited for for for hours till i left the doctors office he then offered me $ 12.00 per pill which i accepted and told him to meet me in one hour at my pharmacy.
I was in Law Enforcement prior to my accident and all my sibling 11 of them are all police officers so i called them and my local police department and
asked that they attend my meeting with this scum bag. Since my accident I look like a old hippie so this guy met with me in the drug store parking lot with a fist full of money but was troubled by my driver who i told him the truth --he is my brother. A long story short this guy was a repeat offender and is doing time in a State prison.
Does anyone else see what i see in their Pain Specialist office ??
Tom Lasko


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   Posted 7/15/2008 9:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tom,

I go to my PCP for pain management. Try to remember that there may be others in there that truly are in pain like you are but they are the quiet ones. Not all of them are that bad but unfortunately those who are really mess it up for the rest of us.

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   Posted 7/15/2008 10:48 PM (GMT -7)   
All I know is that I hate waiting in there. My doctor's office routine is to wait to see the doctor, then go in to see her, then come back out and wait until they call you back up to the desk to give you your prescriptions and make you another appointment. Well I don't mind so much waiting my turn to see the doctor, but I resent having to wait up to an hour last time for the girl to check me out AFTER I had already seen the doctor. That was ridiculous! And I let her know it too.

Don't get me started, Tom.

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Scarred_for_life
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   Posted 7/16/2008 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
You know I just went to my Pain Specialist yesterday and there was this one lady that came in after me. Well I was early so I didn't expect to be seen so soon, so hubby and I sat in the waiting room (I always try to grab the tall chairs because they are easier to get in and out of) watching the people who were waiting ahead of me. Anyway the lady and I struck up a conversation about pain and she was bent over using a cane to walk and I truly knew that she was in pain and I felt for her because there are day I WISH I had an aide to help me walk. The two of us were remarking on the tall chairs and I was telling her its easier to bend a little ways then all the way down to the reg chairs and she laughed and remarked that ya not as far to have to bend. Well hubby noticing this looked at the woman and he got up came to the other side of me to a lower chair and said "You can have one of the higher chairs ma'am." He even helped her to the tall chair. Any way as this woman sat down beside me she said, "Wow, you're husband must know what its like to be in pain." and I said, "Why of course he has to put up with me for the last 8 years of my pain and too he has been there himself."

The lady was so shocked when I said this, I could tell it in her face and then she said, "long time to be in pain I hope I don't have to live with this for that long."

Anyway to make a long story short I discovered her pain is quite new to her and she has only been seeing doc for the last three months. She asked me tons of questions about the meds I am on and how its helping and what I do when the pain gets so bad ya can't move. I told her I lay there and pray for relief when its that bad which is all the time.

pieceOfCRPS
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   Posted 7/16/2008 9:57 AM (GMT -7)   
I guess I am lucky my PM doc doesnt keep me waiting too awefull long and they always have my scrip ready when i walk out the door as he is typing it in when we are talking and so i just have to walk out and they pull it off the printer. BUT what I cant stand is when there are dozen more patients sitting there and those dam drug salesreps come in carrying donuts or lunch or cookies,, and the receptionists calls them by name takes them right back to the docs office and then we all get to wait another half hour. Shouldnt they make appointments too and shouldnt htey come after hours or before hours ! that is just a bunch of bull !!
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Dragoness Warrior
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   Posted 7/16/2008 10:27 AM (GMT -7)   

I agree with you, PieceofCRPS about the drug reps!!  Way to go on that one!!!  LOL!  I wish they would make appointments, but on the other hand, looking at what their jobs are, they go from office to office, and I think it's hard for them to keep a specific schedule, but they should try!!

I have to wait ages for my doc, and he gives those folding chairs!!  What fun those are!  When I get up from them, whoa pain!  But, I'm not telling anyone strange here, am I?!  LOL!

As for the scammers, I haven't come across too many, but GOOD FOR YOU TOM!!  Get that scum off the streets!!  They are the ones that make it hard on us!!

I'm getting heck from a benefit that I deserve too, all because of people like that!!  I appreciate you getting that man off the streets!  Though it isn't going to stop people like that!  I think my doc screens people like that, he makes you come in for an appointment each time, you update him on what's going on and what you're doing, then he writes the script and you're out!  If there are people getting injections, it might take longer.  He tried to make it so that the people with injections come in the day time, and the people for meds, at night, so it's faster for the people coming in for meds!  My doc is very weird though, he won't prescribe Percs to someone paying cash either, I don't know if he just doesn't believe the person yet, or if he just doesn't want to be looked at for prescribing drugs like that when their paying cash, maybe Tom, you might be able to answer that better?!  I'm curious what a police officer would think in that case, it might shed light on why he won't!

Good luck to all, sorry for the little rant there!!  LOL!


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   Posted 7/16/2008 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   

Way to go Tom. I am with you on this one. My appts are nearly an all day thing, because its a 60 mile roundtrip for me. I do always get there a little early mainly so I can rest some. Riding in the car is still one thing that bothers me, I become very stiff when I sit.

My drs that I see do not deal with the drug reps at all. They have the office manager meet with all the reps, which I think is great. Most of them only will see a drug rep on a certain day and at a certain time, so yes, many of these reps are on a schedule. Yes, I have seen the reps come & go with their goodies or even a lunch. If my dr has time he may grab a bite in between patients.

I have sat in my pain drs office many times and I do enjoy people watching. I tell you, there are some that come thru there that I really wonder about. It just goes with the territory I guess, but it sure can get under my skin. Especially the ones that their eyes are like pin points, those always get kicked out by the dr. The nurses always pick up on it real quick and they always alarm the dr about it too. He is a very good dr but he knows too when someone is trying to get a free ride. Hugs to all, Susie  

 



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   Posted 7/16/2008 12:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Stray I hear ya there!!! I too have to travel 1 1/2 in the car to get to my doc. Its either I go to Billings which is 1 1/2 away or go to Cheyenne which is 8 hours away and that ain't happening! An hour and a half is long enough! Have to arrive 15 min before my appt and then I wait. But I'm usually early for them anyway so no big deal they have nice chairs to sit in and my PS is usually really nice not to have me wait in the exam room too long. Unfortunately he is the only doc in the office and handles around 3000 patients from Wyoming, MT, SD and ND so I feel blessed that I do not have to wait too long.

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   Posted 7/16/2008 1:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Only us CPP's would understand that chairs really ARE a big deal, aren't they? A lot of times when I hesitate to go even to a family outting it's because I either know the chairs are poor or I don't know what they'll be like. Especially outdoor gatherings in the summer, when it's usually picnic tables and lawn chairs. But waiting in a doc's office - I always think, especially with the ortho's or neuro's or pm doc's they ought to know to select the best chairs for their waiting rooms.

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Mami0704
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   Posted 7/16/2008 3:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Well concerning the chairs. What is comfortable to one person may be horribly uncomfortable to another. I like huge soft reclining chairs to keep my feet elevate. Some people like harder chairs. It all depends on the person and the reason for thier pain. That probably makes it pretty hard for doc offices to pick out chairs that would please everyone.

Porteyoz
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   Posted 7/16/2008 3:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I just wanted to respond to Tom's post about people not "looking" or "acting" like their in pain...I have had chronic flank/kidney pain since 98 and you'd never know by "looking" at me! #1. I've been in this pain for 10 years and have learned to "adapt" and "adjust"...anyone else would probably be in fetal position and screaming, but I have built a "tolerance" to it after so many years (of course with the help of medication (Norco 10/325 up to 6/day)<that is my ONLY medication (don't even take over the counter meds..) #2. Not everyone is there for "back pain or limb pain"...my pain is "visceral" which is deep kidney pain...it doesn't change or affect what type of chair I sit in or if I'm standing... I feel for people with back pain or limb pain but that's not ALL types of pain...I don't appreciate being "judged" by patients as we are "judged" by our dr's already..that's the last thing we need. I just feel we should all mind our own business as I would never "judge" or take time out of my VERY BUSY life to even think about someone else's problems...especially at our pain dr's office! I am a nurse and have worked in pain management and currently work in Obgyn and so I have been on both sides...I just think that "pain" is each person's individual business and the Dr.surely is a professional and we should let him make all the "decisons" regarding what medication is prescribed...we dont need "vigilante's in the waiting room"...I suggest next time someone approaches you about buying pills say "I don't get prescribed narcotics"...why would you tell anyone what medication you take? Again, that is between you and the dr...AND some patients, not all, don't even get narcotics....are you just "assuming"? Pain management doesn't necessarily mean "narcotics"...I don't tell ANYONE what medication I take (except my husband and my Dr.) not even family members....my kids think I take "kidney pills" or "asprin"...or "spirin"<like in the birdcage(the movie) it's "asprin with the A and S scratched off..."Ha Ha! nono

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   Posted 7/16/2008 4:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Port;

I don't think that Tom was assuming anything or at least I did not see where that was the case. I myself do not judge people. I figure it is there own business as to how they live their lives. I don't give information about my pain meds that I am on, the only ones that even know what I am on is my doc and my husband. Anyone would ever approach me they would think "That person can't be in much pain" but too I agree that pain is personal, kinda like owning a car, some like chevy's others like Fords. It all depends chiefly on their tolerance. My husband has a high threshold for pain but I on the other hand do not. And while if he had my pain, he may think that I am a whimp, he has learned that I have a low threshold for pain and when I do hurt he knows.

tom inpain
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   Posted 7/16/2008 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Port: Seems like I angered You ? Ever watch another patient get up off who of those "chairs" after sitting for over 30 minutes? I make noise and have to pull myself up with my walker or cane. Ever watch a magazine fall on the floor and watch another patient easily bend over and pick it up ? Ever watch other patients get in and out of their car's ? Ever watch them while their checking out or making another appointment ? I have good days where I can train and work with my dogs and walk with a cane but I can't bend over, can't sit for more than a few minutes, when i get out of my Van i have a really hard time and make some type of noise from the pain. After my appointment with my Pain Doc Iam usually sweating and can bearly stand up. I have friends and neighbors
under pain management and we all agree that half the patients in my and their Pain doctors office should be investigated and the major cause of problems with pharmacies and eating up time and space for people like us in our Docs office who really need help and have to wait week/months just for a appointment. Then there is the insurance company who suspect all of us of being frauds despite what our MRI's and test show.
As to talking about my medicine I feel it's the same as what I am doing right now "sharing" my pain, complications, stories of depression, pain meds and how they effect me and-- who - who in terms of what specialists they are seeing. While passing time and being cordial I /we find spending time at any Dr's office can be a great source of information.
Almost forgot I spent a couple of hours in the Pain Docs office with a young guy who moved around like I used to before my accident while speaking to him he told me
he suffered from back pain and was taking Vicodan ES, every four hrs plus Soma for sleep. When he got called for his appointment all of a sudden he developed a limp and walked bent over !!!!!!!!!!!!! When he was checking out he had a bunch of scripts and a smile. about three days later i was doing my turtle walk with my dogs and I spotted him playing basketball !!! running, jumping, pushing and shoving !!! Just is one one example i could go on and on. Also, I trust my family and friends and tell them everything I take God forbid should I have a reaction at least they would know what I am taking and know what to do.
again sorry if i angered You. Best regards, Tom
Tom Lasko


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   Posted 7/16/2008 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I have RA-not as bad as many people who have it-but still debilitating at times. I can walk into a Dr.s office standing straight able to bend over and pick things up off the floor easily, sit (though not comfortably) in the hard plastic chairs they provide with no functional arm rests. By the standards described here I don't look like I am in pain.
On the other hand I often can not allow my left arm to hang naturally from the shoulder-my elbow and shoulder both have fluid in them and hurt quite badly. I sometimes can not grip a pen or squeeze the handle on a gas pump. Holding the steering wheel of my car can make my thumb feel as though someone has implanted a burning coal in my joint.
There is no way from my behavior in a waiting room that you would be able to discern any of this. I make my appointments at as close to 10:00 am as I can -after the morning stiffness has started to wear off-before the afternoon fatigue makes it impossible for me to walk across a waiting room.
I like to watch other people too but I never assume that because they are doing a crossword puzzle they don't need their walker-or their pain meds.
I personally don't take pain meds stronger than tylenol since I have severe reactions to the ones I have tried but I often wish that I could. There is a reason that there is a popular web site titled butyoudontlooksick.com.
Sj

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   Posted 7/16/2008 8:23 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm one of those that suffer in quiet most of the time because I look younger than I am. I just wish I could be treated more seriously by my doctors and want y'all to know looking and sounding younger is not something to go looking for, most days I walk with a limp, I've had plenty of mri's showing what they say is arthritis and believe me thats no fun. Yet by looking at me you'd say no way, your too young. It makes it hard...
My PM doc waiting time sometimes has been for four hours, so y'all are lucky if you get early than that.
Here's to hopeing y'all get a pain free day...
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   Posted 7/17/2008 2:01 AM (GMT -7)   
A couple of years ago I told my GP that the Oxycodone wasn't working. He sent me to a Pain Doctor. The pain doctor saw me get out of my Blue PT Cruiser and walk into his office. (I don't drive because of pain. Hubby drove)
Anyway, based on that ... and pretty much my straight posture my graceful walk he decided that I didn't need Opiod pain meds and I believe he thought I was just there for the good. OMG ... That isn't true. He took me off the Oxy really fast. I got sick, of course. My GP wouldn't talk to me anymore once I was in the care of the Pain Doctor. Finally I did get help and went to a pain clinic where I started on Methadone. We moved and now I'm with a new pain doc who does believe in Methadone and does not think I'm in for the party. I've been having trouble walking lately, so I probably will never be dismissed again. What do I want to say? You can't always tell a book by it's cover.
My daughter doesn't believe I have this Chronic Pain. (six years) I hide it from her. Maybe those hiding days are limited.
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   Posted 7/17/2008 6:53 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree with Pam;

I too am one of those quiet ones. I do not have to use a walker or a cane though there are days I wish I had one. I cannot stand for more then 4 minutes. Cannot walk more then a block, cannot sit for more then 5 minutes, cannot lay down for more the 3. Tom you can't judge someone by how they walk into the doc office, or how they get out of their car. Pain is individual.....it affects people a different way then others. I don't like to be "Judged" or "Thought less of" because of my pain.

Example of this is I go shopping with my husband, we park in the handicap and I am gracefully helped from the car by my husband. I do not use their handicap carts because of the fact that I feel that I have to get some sort of exercise or my legs are going to develop some atrophy if I don't. So I suck it up and walk around with my husband and get what we need and we are outta there. But here is the thing I walk very slow and by the time we are half way done with our shopping I am walking with a limp and hunched over in tremendous pain.

Ya no one would think that I am in as much pain as I state that I am, but I am in pain and to Judge me is wrong.

tom inpain
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   Posted 7/17/2008 7:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Dear Scared-for -Life and Pam: I'll start looking even more at people in pain at the Dr's office and I admit because I am so screwed up--- it makes me extremely flustrated when I see all these people moving around so freely and "perhaps" I should not judge a book by it's cover without reading more in to it. Being in law enforcement for a long time body language watching saved my partner's and my life on more than one occasion. I mentioned having been approached to sell my drugs and seeing more than one patient outside of the Doctors office moving freely around with NO sign of pain reinforces, to me that there are way to may people taking and abusing narcotics. Everyday I scan the internet for news and everyday someone is caught using illegal pills. I wonder where they got them from ? I doubt if they got them from someone in real pain.
Tom Lasko


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   Posted 7/17/2008 7:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Tom, you are right it is true. In true reference to your post, though I dont spend a lot of time waiting at the docs office,, I do see the folks lined up out the door pacing around waiting for their scrips. It is highly suspicious. But just for the heck of it,,do a search for..say...codeine withdrawel....you may be surprised to see that the top internet search links are not info about withdrawel but in fact places to buy the drugs without a prescription...there is definately a serious problem and becaus of it we who are truly chronic pain sufferers, suffer more due to the probably hundreds of thousands abusers. It is sad.

Su
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   Posted 7/17/2008 10:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Dear Tom,
I haven't chimed in on this, but I do have to say, as others have already, that you can't judge a book by its cover. Muscle pain, for example, is different from nerve pain. I have a lot of nerve pain down my leg, in my butt, and both feet get numb and tingle without neurontin (which then has its side effects). With the meds, I can move around ok for awhile. My main problem isn't with muscles. So for brief periods you will see me walking, bending, etc. without apparent difficulty. But have me sit for a period of time, and then I'll be limping around not because of muscles or back pain, but because my feet are going numb.

One of the thing many of us struggle with is the "but you look so good" phenomena. I just had a neighbor say it to me the other day, because I finally forced myself out for a short walk. Because we push ourselves to do somethings so that our muscles don't completely atrophy doesn't mean we don't have problems significant enough to warrant narcotics. Without the percocets I couldn't sit at all, but if I time my meds right (as i do when I go out like to the doctor or the store) I can minimize my symptoms for a brief time.

The overwhelming majority of people in doctor's offices are not abusers or sellers. Maybe at one point that was true, but at least here in PA the laws have now gone so far in the other direction docs don't want to prescribe to those of us who really need it. You can read this on a lot of other threads. So please try to judge a little less harshly. I realize your background has trained you in certain ways, and believe me I appreciate someone who's outside of a doc's office (or anywhere for that matter) trying to buy or sell drugs being caught, please be aware that the last thing we need as CPP's is more stigma and misinformation about our need for meds.

Thanks!
PaLady
p.s. By the way, it's so much easier for narcotics to be purchased online, that's got to be where most of the crime is occurring these days.

Post Edited (PAlady) : 7/17/2008 11:36:34 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/17/2008 11:19 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree with PALady, its easier to judge a book by its cover then to actually believe that they are in that much pain. Sorry if I seem a little out of sorts its the meds right now. New Muscle Relaxer is really kicking me into a fog, but at least its easing the pain from the muscles. I have completely lost control of my thought pattern now darn it! One huge side effect from so many pain meds and muscle relaxer and night meds that I feel as though my thoughts are so scattered and lost to the wind.

I think that some have a tendency to judge us as not being in pain because we can walk and do things, but alike to PA I have to take my meds before going out anywhere and usually its for short bursts. We (my husband and I) go to KS every year for Thanksgiving, its a 17 hour ride to my mother-in-laws and because of my back we are forced to break the trip up in increments. We usually have to stop every 25 miles or so that I can stretch and the trip ends with me being in so much pain that we have to get a motel room for the night.

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   Posted 7/17/2008 12:20 PM (GMT -7)   
I have to say that reading these makes me feel even better about the pain practice I am using right now. They have a rule that if show up at your appointment time they have the right to reschedule you. You are expected to show up at least 10 minutes early to fill out the forms they have on how your pain is currently, any changes, as well as get the height/weight temp stuff done.

My doctor so far has never been more than 10 minutes late in seeing me. It is a 1 1/2 hour drive there, but it's worth it. They also have an automated refill system - the way it works is that once they have you on what they think will work, every 28 days it automatically prints out your prescriptions for you. When you go in and pick them up you sign out each script saying you have it.

Another thing I've learned is that you have to realize that people are in there for different things. If you are there for severe elbow pain - your going to walk and sit just fine. Some people have severe migraines, if they aren't having a migraine at the time they may look and act perfectly normal. There are a blessed few days when I'm feeling really good that other than the cane I use you couldn't tell just by looking I'm in pain. I know it's frustrating sitting and waiting when your in pain, and I also know that there are scammers out there who are in it just for the pills, to use, sell, or whatever.
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   Posted 7/17/2008 2:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Tom...I would NEVER be angered by someone's feelings...I am far too busy with my own life and problems...just letting you know that not everyone has the same TYPE of pain. I totally understand your frustration, but again, it's not our right to try to "figure out why people are where they are and that they don't look like they "deserve" pain medications. Everyone deserves to be pain free. I believe it's a basic human right...as important as food. Without these medications, some of us would not be able to function (ie: work, taking care of children, household chores,etc) I know that without my meds I wouldn't be able to do those things...I am currently (and have been for last 6 years taking Norco (up to 6/day prn) but am trying to find a Long-acting med w/ less tylenol (tomorrow is my monthly appt) and we are going to try *oxycontin 10mg tid w/ Norco (3/day) for breakthru...I've already tried ms contin (but had stomach cramps and very little pain relief)...2 years ago we tried "methadone" but found it too sedating...so stopped that after 1 week. At my dr's office there is usually maybe only 1 or 2 other people waiting in the waiting room as we are taken directly to the room (where we can wait for about 15-20min) if he's running behind...but usually no wait at all. He spends about 30 mins going over any test results (if any done) and dictating into his "voice activated" dictation about our visit and going over any changes in medicaitons and prints prescription right off his laptop (all done in the privacy of a private room-never in front of anyone) and I always call later for my monthly follow up (I don't even have to stop to check out...I just leave) I personally have seen what you're talking about (someone looking like they were "faking" it or whatever, but again, there are professionals that are following these patients very closely (especially in cases of auto/work comp) they are actually followed (and videotaped!!) just a "heads-up" to anyone involved in these kinds of cases....they may get away with it for a while...but not long! Again, there is NOTHING ANYONE can say or anyone's opinions that would ANGER OR UPSET ME-EVER! I love everyone here... tongue

Pamela Neckpain
Veteran Member


Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 1821
   Posted 7/17/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
After a while of chronic pain, it gets to a point where relatives and "friends" no longer say, "Oh, you look so good." Eventually the pain really shows on your face, in your walk ... everywhere. I no longer go out ... too much pain. Fighting it while out is intolerable.
I've had this pain for six years and I know it will never get better and it can be repaired. Right before the pain hit, I was walking an hour a day at the ocean and going to a dance class at night. Now I live in a cramped little apartment. I guess I'm complaining here but it's just so very difficult to have your entire life change. There have been doctors along the way who are "nonbelievers" When you have pain, you gotta go to a pain doctor ... only pain docs are trained to know the real deal. I spend all day getting ready to go to his office. I don't like to look how I feel ... but at what a cost..
I think I better go have dinner. I'm a crab.
Pamela Neckpain
MEDICAL INFORMATION
HYPERTENSION, SCOLIOSIS, ARTHRITIS, SPONDYLOSIS,
SPINAL STENOSIS THROUGHOUT THE SPINE,PINCHED NERVES C5-C7, NEUROPATHY THROUGHOUT THE SPINE, ANXIETY DISORDER, DEPRESSION, CONSTIPATION, POSSIBLE KIDNEY STONES (OR CANCER) DEGENERATIVE DISC DISEASE C3-C7

MEDICATION
MONOPRIL, HYDROCHLOROTHIAZIDE, METHADONE 10 MG. 3 BY MOUTH 3 TIMES DAILY. XANAX 1 1/2 MG. 3 TIMES DAILY, NEURONTIN 600 MG, 4 TIMES DAILY, FOLBEE TABS, SENOKOT S , 5 TABS AT NIGHT.


tom inpain
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 239
   Posted 7/17/2008 8:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Pamela : Thanks for your post - I feel the same way with my life being turned upside down and not being able to do what I used to and You are 100% right eventually the "pain" will show especially in a person's face and eyes. I no longer look at myself in any type of reflection and hate seeing myself with a walker, cane or wheelchair for i see is the pain. After close to 10 years of living in chronic severe pain with more major surgeries then I have years ( 55)
plus spending a real lot of time in and out of hospitals and specialists offices one become somewhat a expert in pain. I do have good days and i try so hard
in public to be normal but normal never last for more than a few minutes. I really enjoy writing/ posting and reading the other Member's comments and suggestions. I do believe in miracles and everyday I have added everyone on this site in my prayers.
Before finding this internet site i basically thought that i was the only walking and talking person in severe pain and my Pain Specialist
has indicated that I am their worst patient in terms of neuro and orthopedic problems and have told my family time and time again that they do not know how I get around the way i do ( yet they still make me wait hours to see them ).
I myself hate being asked by friends, family and even my Doctors " How do You feel " ? I always respond How do i look and never get a response we simply move on and I try and stay as positive as possible given the rate of pain I am in at that time. My worst time is when I eventually fall asleep--- sleep for me is treasured until I awake then all hell breaks loose as I try and get up so I pray for long long naps. Sorry I am way off the subject and just feel like talking/ venting. Again thanks
Tom Lasko

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