Oxy Question HELP PLEASE

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Real_Time
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   Posted 8/20/2008 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all I'm new here but need some advise..... I take 80 Mg a day of oxy...  2X20mg AM- 1X20mg AN - 1X20mg PM..  from a car wreck. I started Perks after this accident .... about 4 - 6 a day and over the last 4 years have worked up to 80 mg a day.......... I tried to get off these things about a week ago ... Not right off... but just to detox a little so I could effectively take less Oxy in a day... IT WAS HELL !!!! 4 Days and I could just not take it any more...... I think I was out of the woods with the worst of the withdrawal... but the PAIN was like nothing I have EVER FELT IN MY LIFE ! so my question is this... was that pain as bad as it felt ? or was it blown way out by my mind, B/C I was not taking my meds... will I always be able to detox a little for my meds to work better or will I build up a permanent tolerance to the oxy?
 
Thanks in advance

PAlady
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   Posted 8/20/2008 5:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear Real,
First let me welcome you to the HW forum. Remember, we are not docs. The specifics of your situation really needs to be managed by your doctor. There are some other recent threads here about people trying to detox on their own and it can be dangerous. You've been on quite a bit of medication and yes, your body does build up a dependence, and for some people tolerance becomes an issue. Withdrawal symptoms can be significant but if you've had an accident and had serious injury resulting in chronic pain, the likelihood is you need medication to cover your pain.

I hope you're dealing with a pain management specialist, but you really need to call whoever your prescribing doctor is and ask him/her to help you if you want to try cutting down some on these meds. I'm not a doc or a pharmacist, but it seems to me you're on a lot of perc, unless you're using it for BT pain. As to whether you build up a permanent tolerance there may not be an answer. Sometimes that has to do with genetics. And tolerance is difference than dependence. All of us develop a dependence to these meds. if we're taking them over time. Tolerance means you need more and more of the same or similar substance to get the desired result. There may possibly be other options for you with medication, but you need to be working with your doc for this.

Can I ask why you want to decrease your meds? Is there an addiction history in your family or with yourself (which is not the same as dependence)? I'm not accusing you of anything, just inquiring if that's why you want to decrease your meds. Do you have a pain management specialist? With this much medication, I would hope so. So I repeat, please let your doctor supervise any withdrawal.

Hope this helps a little.

PaLady

Real_Time
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   Posted 8/20/2008 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
well first off.. I started taking the percs.. but now I am on the 20mg Oxys... and second I want to decrease the amount I am taking because I feel I have become dependant on these pills for more than pain Management.. I feel like they provide me with a false sense of well being.. I like the way they make me feel .. and not just because they take away the pain .. but they relieve a lot of other emotional issues relating to the pain ... Kinda hard for me to explain .. not sure if you are following me on that one.....

PAlady
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   Posted 8/20/2008 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear Real,
Yes, I am following you. I'm not speaking as a professional here, but I do have some professional background in mental health and addictions. You are being very wise to recognize you may be using the drugs for more than the pain. I referenced an article clarifying dependence, tolerance and addiction. I'll try to bump the thread up for you.

Still, you need to be doing this under medical management. Is your doctor aware of your concerns? Are you involved with a therapist who has some knowledge of both pain issues and addiction? Because you need some support help you with both issues - the withdrawal/ pain management issues, and learning other ways to deal with emotions. Those are the things I'd strongly recommend, rather than trying to do it on your own.

I'll try to find that thread and bump it up to the first page for you. The link to the article is in the first post in the thread.

PaLady

mandyox
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   Posted 9/1/2008 9:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey realtime
im on about 80 mg of oxy and i was not perscribed them
i did not realize wat i was getting myself into i used to be perscribed perks
ive been on them for a year now i want to get off them but im scared to withdraw
i buy them so its hard to wein down to also because i dont get them perscribed i have to buy them and sometimesi cant find them ill go days sick and then wen i find them i buy them even though i know a few more

mandyox
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   Posted 9/1/2008 9:30 PM (GMT -7)   
days and i would be clean i dont want to be a drug addict but im in a bind cause i need to work and function any ideas from anyone would be good dont know wat top do???
thanks,

PAlady
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   Posted 9/1/2008 9:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Mandy,
You really need some help from an addiction treatment center. If you have pain issues, after you have been helped to detox, an addictionologist can help design a pain management program for you, along with addiction treatment. But you won't be able to do this on your own.

I would also remind you that one of the rules of this forum is that illegal activity can't be discussed. Please call an addiction treatment center ASAP!

PaLady

Tirzah
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   Posted 9/1/2008 10:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Real_Time said...
.. but the PAIN was like nothing I have EVER FELT IN MY LIFE ! so my question is this... was that pain as bad as it felt ? or was it blown way out by my mind, B/C I was not taking my meds... will I always be able to detox a little for my meds to work better or will I build up a permanent tolerance to the oxy?


Hi Real!

First off, Welcome!

As far as the added pain while getting off, I've experienced same thing & know a lot of other people who have too. It is called hyperalgesia & is often a prob when people go off of opioids (narcotics) after being on them for quite a while. You can look it up, but long story short, your body gets used to having the painkilling meds in your system so it makes less of the natural painkillers (like endorphins and such). Because of that, you are in more pain than you would have been before you started the pain meds, even if the cause of the pain is the same. Once you are off the narcs for a little while, your body realizes it needs to start making more of the natural painkillers & the hyperalgesia goes away. No guarantees, but if you've had it in the past & have it now, you will likely have the same issue in the future if you're on a similar dosage & schedule.

This is unrelated to developing a tolerance to the medication, though often the two can coincide since you have to be on the narcs for some time for hyperalgesia or tolerance to develop. I've been reading more & more studies coming out, though, that show that pain patients whose condition is stabilized (e.g., not cancer patients who have growing tumor or such) usually do not develop a tolerance to narcs as far as requiring more medication to treat the same pain, but do develop a tolerance as far as nausea & somnolence. Kinda interesting, huh?

Anyways, best to check with your doc, but if the condition resolves after being away from the drug (or on a lower dose) for a while, probably it's just the opioid-induced hyperalgesia.

hope that helps!
frances

Post Edited (Frances_2008) : 9/2/2008 12:00:02 AM (GMT-6)


Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 9/2/2008 2:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Hyperalgesia is a new word to me. It's a scary one.

I took Oxycontin for a couple of years. It did very little to help and I took quite
a bit.
My doctor thought I would do better with a pain doctor. We were in the middle
of a move to another town. I picked Dr. Meanman and he detoxed me waaaay
to fast. Not good. Not good at all.
Now the gol dern thing is: The Oxy's didn't help me, but it was Hay going off them.
Pamela Neckpain
PS I don't usually say "gol dern" and "Hay" So I hope you get my message and
I won't be edited by the 'puter. cool

JD23
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   Posted 9/4/2008 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
REAL TIME


Can I please ask you a question regarding your withdrawl symptoms? Can you tell me how those 4 days you were trying to get off the pills were hard? I know you said your pain was way worse, but did you experience any withdrawl syptoms coming off the med? i'm asking because i'm on it as well and i experience mini-withdrawls, come-downs between my dosages, which is every 6-7 hours or so and i'm on oxycodone.

if you can let me know, that would be great!
thank you

free2medee
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   Posted 2/5/2009 12:27 AM (GMT -7)   
    I have been addicted to opiates for 10yrs and just recently I sucessfully withdrew. I am not going to say it was not hell but it was a sucess. It is very hard for people whom need pain meds to manage daily but they do have opiate free alternatives. I would also like to clarify that in those ten years of opiate addiction 5yrs were on a pain managment clinic with methadone. But i wanted to be opiate free.
         You  ask about the withdrawal yes 65% is mental, and it took a good 3 months before i was sleeping and feeling "normal" which i asummed i never would again. As i have learned in the past ten yrs through the medical side of my addiction our bodys make endorphins that occupy receptors in our brain when we put synthetic opiates in our bodys we stop creating those nessasary endorphins so when we stop takin the opiates our bodys have to learn how to make them all over again and it is a slow process. But have faith you will feel normal again but believe me when i say the longer you postpone detox the longer the recovery process.
                     if you have any other questions i will answer them as best i can. They have a new drug called suboxone that is a pain mngmnt pill that helps you detox off the opiate and blocks the urge to reuse while keeping you pain free.

free2medee
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   Posted 2/5/2009 12:37 AM (GMT -7)   
mandy talk to your doctor about suboxone they would really benifit you and help with your withdrawals and cravings to keep you from relapsing

free2medee
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   Posted 2/5/2009 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   
jennca i hope u don't mind but i sent u an email i hope it helped

No-Opana
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   Posted 2/5/2009 10:09 AM (GMT -7)   
PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OPANA ER........................ If you are taking this drug and are having to have surgery, talk with your Dr. NOW...
 
I took this med. all my drs. knew I was one this medicine and I went into surgery on a friday and don't remember a thing until monday afternoon. I went into resp. depression, put into the ICU unit, heart rate and blood pressure bottomed out. The surgeon, after 9 hours of waiting with no word, told my mom I must have had a reaction to a pain med and the anesthesia.
 
As the result of this, I suffered brain damage. I am a college grad. and now my cog. abilities are at a 7th grade level. 

uniquelyme
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   Posted 2/6/2009 9:00 AM (GMT -7)   
u don't have to worry about me taking Opana!!! I couldn't afford it anyway!!!

Me.
 

 Post Lamenectomy Syndrome, Bipolar, GERD

Hemi-lamenectomy, Spinal Fusion

120mg. methadone daily, 60mg. oxycodone daily

 


goingcrazy33
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   Posted 2/8/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Mandy and Real time I have been there and done that best thing to do is to be honest with your doctor and they can give you something to really help with the withdraw and it does not make you feel like perks and things do it just knocks out the pain of the withdraw aches runny nose can't get out of bed and all is really bad I took two years to figure this out though because of the what if's The best advice that made a world of differnce change your friends that thinkthis is ok I quit answer the phone and stuff and within four weeks there all gone I am two months out of my prolems I see a light at the end of the tunnel before I said I can't see life without my meds trust you can doit and feel great and you be proud everyday that you were strong enough to beat it and not let it beat you best of luck to both I would love to chat with you guys sometime please let me know if there is anything I might can help either of you with
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