Fentanyl patchs

New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> ]

mom9mom
Regular Member


Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 489
   Posted 11/3/2008 1:45 AM (GMT -7)   
confused   confused confused I use a 50 mcg/h Fentanyl transdermal patch.Latly thay don`t seem to last the three days that thay are suppost to last.I also take very long and very hot baths do`s any one know if this might effect the way my patch?Also I have been having alot of brake through pain my sister(she is a nurse)thinks that I should ask my DR. to put me on a 75 mcg/h .But I don`t know I get along with the 50 it never makes me feel over medicated but I do have the brake through pain and the only med`s I use for that is ibuprofen.She has Kidney Disease and had to have a transplant last oct. so she worries about me useing so much of it.Lately I have not been getting that much pain releaf on the last day so I dont do much at all on that day.I would like to hear what all of you think??? rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
Lost half of my small intestine.Ilieostomy for 5 months then reverst,Nerve damage to right leg,part of my right hip bone removed,Cronic pain,hernia,infection in my back called discites,and depression.Mother to 9 kids 7 boys 2 girls and 1 stepson.4 grandsons,9 grandaughters.4 of my grandkids I inherited from my twin sister who passed away 6 1/2 years ago from a blood clot after surgery.God has given me my life back after I almost lost it.Even though its a painful and sometimes hard road to walk I take it one step at a time and give thanks to god for every step I take.


Pamela Neckpain
Veteran Member


Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 1821
   Posted 11/3/2008 3:07 AM (GMT -7)   
I have Intractible Chronic Pain. That means my pain NEVER goes away except
when I sleep. There is nothing I can do about the situation. My problem is
not in a place where surgery would be effective or safe. I have read that this
type of pain is rare - one person in a thousand suffers from it.

Are you comfortable for two days? It sounds like you are getting along fairly well.
The less Opiod you take, the longer it will last be effective. What a place for
us to be in!

I don't think hot baths are good for you or your Fentanyl patch. I could NEVER
make mine stay on.

I don't know if you're using a lot of patch or not. Kidney disease is always something
to think about. Just don't think too much. Ask your doctor if you trust him/her.

Pamela Pain

mom9mom
Regular Member


Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 489
   Posted 11/3/2008 10:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Pam I think you have the wrong idea I dont have pain free days I just get two days that are not to bad.On day one and day two of a new patch ibuprofen gets me through the brake through pain.But on day three nothing helps and I tend to sleep alot on that day just trying to hide from the pain.I take very hot baths because if I dont I cant hardly walk.I use a cane as it is to walk and I am only 46 years old.
Lost half of my small intestine.Ilieostomy for 5 months then reverst,Nerve damage to right leg,part of my right hip bone removed,Cronic pain,hernia,infection in my back called discites,and depression.Mother to 9 kids 7 boys 2 girls and 1 stepson.4 grandsons,9 grandaughters.4 of my grandkids I inherited from my twin sister who passed away 6 1/2 years ago from a blood clot after surgery.God has given me my life back after I almost lost it.Even though its a painful and sometimes hard road to walk I take it one step at a time and give thanks to god for every step I take.


Tirzah
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 2280
   Posted 11/3/2008 11:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Heat will cause the fentanyl patch to release more of the medicine than the scheduled 50mcg per hour. Even if your patch isn't submerged, the higher body temperature from sitting in the hot bath will cause the same effect.
You might be using it all up sooner because of that.

Maybe you could check with your doc or pharmacist to see if it's okay to remove the patch during your bath time. You might have to get tape or better yet, patch covers to re-adhere them to your skin.

If that keeps you at a steady rate of relief for the 3 days but still isn't sufficient, you might need to up to a 75mcg patch or get some other kind of b/t medication -- like the Fentora tablets or Actiq lozenges -- for when the pain gets really bad.

feel better,
frances

~Cloe~
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 125
   Posted 11/3/2008 2:56 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Mom9,

  I haven't read your replies yet but feel very compelled to reply. I used to be on the 'F' patch  I began at 25mcg(micrograms) every 72hrs.  I graduated slowly ending with 200mcgs.  I have always been prescribed something for break through pain, Tramadol, muscle relaxers and anti-seizure medications were in my medication cocktail as well.  My problem was that I over did it, didn't know my new limits thus increasing pain and my dose kept increasing.  You mentioned that you feel your patch is not working for the full 72hrs and maybe if a break through med would help.  Keep in mind that Fentanyl is 1000 times stronger (just my own opinion) then morphine.  Only makes since to me as morphine is dealt in milligrams and Fentanyl is dealt in micrograms?    The elements that I lived in per Se summer very well could of affected the safe delivery of Fentanyl.  I will add the stronger my patch was the more I slept, ending at approx 18-20hours a day- off and on. I was 40yrs when I was put on the patch.  I wish you luck and hope you pain doctor has the absolute answer for you.

Cloe (Keep us posted, I am thinking about going back to the patch myself)  Doctor permitted of course. yeah

ETA: Bless your sister in her transplant, my brother had one about two years ago(his wife donated) his condition is doing great right now, much improvement.

 


Post Edited (~Cloe~) : 11/3/2008 3:40:28 PM (GMT-7)


kttn251977
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 554
   Posted 11/3/2008 4:54 PM (GMT -7)   
i used to take the patch as well. i know you are not supposed to put it on your body where it gets hot easily, no heating pads & no hot showers/baths. i never had any relief from the patch. if anything all it did was itch. call the maker of the patch & they will send you free - they kinda look like big clear band aids- to put over your patch to help it stick to you. don't take the patch off cause it is making a port in your skin. when you call the maker they will give you all that info. you can also call the pharmacist for advise. i had to talk to mine cause it wouldn't stick to me. i went through 3 of them right off the bat, when i would sleep they would fall off. also, ask if its ok to take ibuprofin. when i was on it i had a breakthrough med.
go to your local pharmacy & ask for dermatag. its the "band aid" i was mentioning that will help you keep on your patch. some pharmacies carry them if they have patients who use the patch. the local walgreens & cvs both had them here. just buy enough to get through, then call the manufactor cause they will mail you them for free. just have your rx number, they will confirm you have a script for it. hope this helps!!
RX's: Oxycontin 60 MG 2x's daily; Oxycodone 30 MG 4x's daily; Soma 3x's daily; Lyrica 100 MG 3x's daily (all for pain & fibro.); Phenergan 25 MG (as needed); Amitriptyline 25 MG 1x at bedtime; Cymbalta 60mg 2x's daily (for pain & fibro); Restoril 15mg at bedtime; Zanaflex 4mg 3x's daily; Metoclopram (as needed) & Senokot (as needed).
"The most critical choice you'll ever make is the one you make about what you're going to do with this. The past is over. The future hasn't happened yet. The only time is now."
- Dr. Phil


~Cloe~
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 125
   Posted 11/3/2008 5:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Listen to what she says.  I have always been lacking knowledge.
Bless ya all. The goal is pain relief!
Cloe  I repeat (bless you all)
I ment no harm scool

Blessedx8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Aug 2008
Total Posts : 3193
   Posted 11/4/2008 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   

Mom9mom - I have been on the Duragesic patches a couple of times.  Fentanyl works wonders for some people (me included).  I just had a lot of skin sensitivity w/ the patches.  Two pain drs. told me that it is especially hard on people w/ fair skin (I'm as pale as you can imagine).  Once I removed the patch, you could see the "outline" of it on my skin (red, puffy, ugly) for at least a week.  To keep it on, kttn251997 had some good ideas.  You can get the covers from the company; I used "tegaderm" patches (like a clear band-aid)....I bought them at Walgreen's.

Re: how long they last - for MANY people the patches don't last the entire 72 hours.  I could feel the difference in mine at about the 48 hour mark.  There is a lot of "creative" things your doc could do.  Switch them every 48 hours...  Wear 2 patches instead of one, and switch each one at different times (for instance wear two 25mcgs...);

The majority of people in pain management w/ long-term pain issues have some sort of "break-thru" med.  To me - espcecially while you are having "issues" w/ your long-lasting med - you should have something for the break-thru stuff.  My doctor will only make one change at a time, though (meaning he won't make changes in the dosage of my long-lasting stuff AND add on a short acting med).  That way, if there's a problem, you know what you are dealing with.  But I really encourage you to talk to your doctor.  Depending on how often you need it - good break-through meds are MSIR (morphine sulfate instant release), oxycodone, Norco, Dilaudid, etc.

Fentanyl also comes in two quick acting meds - Actiq (the "lollipop") and Fentora (a "quick-dissolve" tablet).  These both worked wonders for me...  BUT, taking the Actiq came at the expense of SEVERE teeth damage.  I never had a cavity until age 17; even then, I think I had about three.  In the last two years, I've had to have three root canals, need two more and lost one molar.  The enamel on all of my teeth has thinned out a lot.  So, whenever I mention these meds - I feel compelled to say what happened to my teeth.  That's all any of us needs is more issues than what we already have.  I now think they come in a sugar-free formulation, but I'd still be VERY careful.

Re: hot bath - I couldn't do that or hot showers while wearing the patch.  It would make them come off...even while having the tegaderm on, etc.  Re: "re-applying" them, I know for the specific brand I used (the "Jansens", I guess), you could "not" reapply" them. 

Re: kidney - don't really have any info to add on that.  I have enough blood work done every month or two that they are always checking my levels, etc.  I've been on these meds for almost five years now, but at the high doses for about 18+months.  I've not had any issues so far, in terms of specifically caused by the meds.  I'm 35 years old.

Sorry for the long response eyes but I hope it helps. Just my own thoughts/experiences; of course, check w/ your doctor yeah Let us know what you decide!! --Tina


 

 

Diagnosed with: POTS/dysautonomia; Fibromyalgia; Severe Hypertension; Hypothyroidism; Adrenal Gland Disorder; Chronic Pain - severe carpal tunnel syndrome, migraines, severe back problems, widespread muscle/joint pain....as well as depression/anxiety.

 

Current Meds: 480mg MS Contin, 90mg MSIR, Soma, Effexor and MANY other meds (heart, thyroid, etc)

Past Meds: EVERYTHING.  Fentanyl patches, Actiq (which caused $$$ in dental work), Fentora, Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Kadian, Avinza, Dilaudid and on the list goes.

 

Waiting On: Intrathecal Drug Pump Implantation (Dilaudid/Baclofen combo)

 


Pamela Neckpain
Veteran Member


Date Joined May 2008
Total Posts : 1821
   Posted 11/4/2008 2:27 AM (GMT -7)   
After reading your posts I think that I may need to get new pain management. I am prescribed 12 Methadone
a day. I've been on that amount for about 9 months. My doctor never gets "creative" or prescribes breakthru pain
medicine. If I complain of pain, he just says, "You need to get the pump." I have to drive two hours every two
months to get Xanax. My pain doctor won't prescribe it because it's not a usual thing to mix with Methadone.
(Problem is that I've taken Xanax for over twenty years. It would be really hard to go off of and it helps so
much when I panic over my pain situation)

I don't WANT the pump. I'm afraid of the pain I'd go through as the doctor was learning to relieve my pain. I am
afraid of a lot of things with it. Momto6boys, I know you're waiting for yours. You're in a better place for your
body to accept it and your needs are different from mine. I think it will work out well for you.

I was prescribed the Methadone when I was going to a different doctor. I don't think my current doctor knows
just how tricky Methadone is.

I swear my pain doctor never talks to me. He just sings. Ooooooh! I'm so worried. Last time I went I was the
last patient of the day and he had three attorneys in the waiting room waiting to speak to him.

This post is kind of blah blah blah. I'm a mess. My neck feels like it's going to snap. The stocks! Ohhhh!

I'll probably read this tomorrow and be sorry.

Pamela Neckpain rolleyes

kttn251977
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 554
   Posted 11/4/2008 6:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Pam, no one can tell you what will work for you. For me I have an extremly high tolerance to pain meds. The patch didn't work for me neither did methadone. Oxycontin/oxycodone works fairly well for me. I am at about s 6-7 with it. I know with the methadone they would not prescribe me a BT med. If you don't think you are getting the care you need, then by all means shop around. I had my share of bad drs. I guess its not fair to say bad- they just may have not known how to treat my back correctly. As far as the pump goes, be careful of that. A lot of people on here have had it with no luck. Maybe make a post & ask some people on here who are on it? I know the other day I saw a little old lady @ my drs office who was crying because she was going through withdrawls. I don't understand how that happened, i thought the pump did everything for you. All i am saying is just check into it closely. I'm not good with foreign objects in my body & if the hardest pain med you have tried is methadone, you still have a lot of options left. Oh & to confirm Momto6boys paragaph, my dr won't prescribe actiq lollipops for the reason she said, they rot your teeth. I know there is a morphine you can swish in your mouth for instant pain relief. My aunt was on it before she passed on. So you still have a lot of options before the pump. Try those first. I have heard they take your liscense once you are on the pump. (i don't drive anyhow cuz of my muscle relaxer) & if you have any questions just ask. I have been on all kinds of meds. Make a post about the pain pump & see what other members has to say. ((hugs)) -Shannon
RX's: Oxycontin 60 MG 2x's daily; Oxycodone 30 MG 4x's daily; Soma 3x's daily; Lyrica 100 MG 3x's daily (all for pain & fibro.); Phenergan 25 MG (as needed); Amitriptyline 25 MG 1x at bedtime; Cymbalta 60mg 2x's daily (for pain & fibro); Restoril 15mg at bedtime; Zanaflex 4mg 3x's daily; Metoclopram (as needed) & Senokot (as needed).
"The most critical choice you'll ever make is the one you make about what you're going to do with this. The past is over. The future hasn't happened yet. The only time is now."
- Dr. Phil


mrsm123
Veteran Member


Date Joined Dec 2007
Total Posts : 1228
   Posted 11/4/2008 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   

Do NOT take hot baths or showers while using the Fentanyl patches. It says so right in the patient information. Doing so, causes more of the medication to be released quicker into your blood stream and can result in overdose or death.  It may be that the hot baths are the reason that you aren't feeling that the patches are relieving your pain as well on the third day.

Your pharmacist should have gone over that with you, when you picked up the prescription. Also, do not remove and then attempt to restick the patch, it won't work. The patches have reservoirs that contain the medication and the skin to patch contact is what allows the medication to be absorbed into your system. If you remove the patch, dead skin cells will adhere to the patch and therefore can obstruct that skin to patch absorption.

You can buy tegaderm or bio-clusive dressings on ebay or drug stores , medical supply houses to cover the patch to help it stick better if it is coming loose early.

Sandi M


PLIF/TLIF Fusion w/Instrumentation L4-5 Spondololysthesis L4-5.Laminectomies L4-5, foraminal stenosis L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, herniations L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, central canal stenosis L3-4, L4-5 and L5-S1
POST OP CES 3/30-06
Neurogenic Bladder and Bowel, bilateral numbness legs and feet
Revision for failed Back surgery, pseudoarthrosis L4-5, hemilaminectomies L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, bmp added to revision fusion, replaced two bent screws that were reversing out of vertebrae - August 2, 2007
On going back pain and neuropathic pain, failed back surgery, consult for scs, decided not to do that at this point.
Adhesive Arachnoiditis also......just what I didn't need..9/08- adding bilateral ulnar neuropathy with severe compression to the mix. They want me to see a surgeon for ulnar nerve surgery, but I'm not biting.
I've seen enough surgeons over the last few years.


Tirzah
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 2280
   Posted 11/4/2008 12:01 PM (GMT -7)   
mom9mom,

I'd take Sandi at her word about not being able to re-apply the patches. I only tried that once & I had the opposite problem from you -- I was getting too much medicine from the patch & ended up switching to the lozenges so we could better control how much medicine I got at once. I had my dentist put sealants on my teeth. The sealants break down faster than normal (usually every 2-3 years, as opposed to normal 5-7 years), but they are quite cheap & have kept me from any cavities during the 4 years I've been on Actiq. The sugar-free version of Actiq is usually only covered by insurance for people with diabetes. It is more than double the cost of the sugary generic & they will just tell you to brush your teeth more often (which is also a good idea, but you have to wait 30 min. after finishing to dose, so that's not always practical).

I am thinking (but check with your doc) that the 75mcg patches would probably be used up just as quickly as the 50mcg patches if you are still taking the hot baths; you'll just get more medicine the first two days. Maybe another delivery system (oral or IT) would be a better option for you since you could still take your hot baths without worries. If the Actiq or Fentora don't work for you, I know the pump can be filled with fentanyl, so maybe that could work. I know several people who have pain pumps & they were restricted from driving for a period of time (usually 1-2 months), but after they got used to the medicine & could show normal reflexes they got to drive again (in my state, anyways). Anytime their medicine was increased, they were restricted again, but it is not common for people who don't have cancer pain to have to increase their dose of fentanyl very much. That is my personal experience, plus there are a lot of new studies showing the same thing.

In any case, your sister's probably right about the dangers of ibuprofen on your kidneys. Though there are other issues to consider with fentanyl, it should not affect your kidneys at all b/c the fentanyl is completely broken down before it ever reaches the kidneys. You can check the FDA site for more info about that.


hope you find some relief soon.
frances

Boxerlover
Regular Member


Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 274
   Posted 11/4/2008 6:50 PM (GMT -7)   

Mom9mom, I have been on the patch for seven years and like someone mentioned, many people find on the third day that they are not getting the same pain control. I change mine every 48 hours and have had no problems since.  I have only been raised 1 time, but I do have breakthrough meds.  As far as the hot baths are concerned, I would call Jansen(the company that makes the patches) and speak with someone there about what tempuratures are safe. I take hot baths and also get into our hot tub(although I do not have the water as hot as my husband likes it, I do keep it down somewhat) and I have never had any problems.  We are all different in how we metabolize meds, so I would speak directly with the experts. In the pamphelet it says to call your doc if your tempurature goes over 102 degrees so I figure that anything under that is OK. The hot tub I put at about 98 degrees and my bath water is similiar.

I think breakthrough meds are an important part of pain management and if you read any of the medical journals about that, most say that breakthrough meds are necessary.  Many docs are hesitant to prescribe them because of abuse issues, but that doesn't negate the fact that it should be part of the pain management plan. Yes Actiq and Fentora are good meds, but be careful because right now they are only approved for cancer pain so many insurances will not pay for them and they are very expensive. A one month supply can run around $5000.00 if your insurance won't cover it.  Fentora is trying to get approval for chronic pain, but as of now it's only for cancer pain.

I hope your doc will be willing to consider breakthrough meds, and give Jensen a call so they can tell you specifically what temp your bath should be!

Take care

Melissa


mom9mom
Regular Member


Date Joined Sep 2008
Total Posts : 489
   Posted 11/5/2008 10:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks to everyone that responded to my post.You all gave me good advice.I will talk to my DR. about brake through pain.Lucky for me I dont have a problam with my patch staying on because I have a reaction to tegaderm.I will also call the company that makes them to find out about the bath.Hope I dont have to give them up I love them so much.Boxerlover what is the stranth of your patch?Did your DR. give you much hassal about changing your patch evey 2 days instead of 3?I know one of my problams is that I forget to change my patch and go over(24 hours or alittle more)sometimes.Then its harder to catch up to the pain.
Lost half of my small intestine.Ilieostomy for 5 months then reverst,Nerve damage to right leg,part of my right hip bone removed,Cronic pain,hernia,infection in my back called discites,and depression.Mother to 9 kids 7 boys 2 girls and 1 stepson.4 grandsons,9 grandaughters.4 of my grandkids I inherited from my twin sister who passed away 6 1/2 years ago from a blood clot after surgery.God has given me my life back after I almost lost it.Even though its a painful and sometimes hard road to walk I take it one step at a time and give thanks to god for every step I take.


kttn251977
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2007
Total Posts : 554
   Posted 11/6/2008 1:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Just be careful while you are on the patch & listen to what the person tells you on the phone from the drug manufacter. As far as lasting 48 hrs, mine was the same way- so just tell your dr. You need to have a good relationship with him anyhow. He controls your pain. I personally didn't have good luck with the patch, but like I have said before- it takes awhile to get the right meds & the right dosages- & thats straight from my drs' mouth. So hang in there- relief will come eventually! I know its hard to believe- but you are getting on the right track. ((hugs)) -Shannon
RX's: Oxycontin 60 MG 2x's daily; Oxycodone 30 MG 4x's daily; Soma 3x's daily; Lyrica 100 MG 3x's daily (all for pain & fibro.); Phenergan 25 MG (as needed); Amitriptyline 25 MG 1x at bedtime; Cymbalta 60mg 2x's daily (for pain & fibro); Restoril 15mg at bedtime; Zanaflex 4mg 3x's daily; Metoclopram (as needed) & Senokot (as needed).
"The most critical choice you'll ever make is the one you make about what you're going to do with this. The past is over. The future hasn't happened yet. The only time is now."
- Dr. Phil


straydog
Forum Moderator


Date Joined Feb 2003
Total Posts : 13451
   Posted 11/8/2008 9:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I have a pain pump and still drive my car with no problems at all. In fact, there is no difference. I know nothing about states taking your drivers license away. If this was a true fact my pain mgt doctor would be telling his patients this prior to the pump being implanted. There has never been a mention of no driving, from anyone. I drive my 3yr old grandson aroud alot. If anyone of us doubted my driving abilities I assure you I would not be behind the wheel.

I was on the patch and could not get past the 50's. The 75's were a nightmare for me as I was unable to urinate while on that dose so they were very short lived. My dr and pharmacist both said no hot baths/showers or hot tubs because when your body temperature increases too much medication is released. This was also on the information sheet inside the package. Susie


uniquelyme
Veteran Member


Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 1037
   Posted 11/18/2008 11:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I have a stupid question....What are you supposed to do if you can't take a bath or shower while on the Fpatch? Go dirty?

BionicWoman
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 243
   Posted 11/19/2008 5:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I was never told not to shower or take a bath; I was told not to immerse myself in water that was greater than 102 degrees. I was also told to remove the patch and call my doctor if I was running a fever of 102 or greater. Apparently that 102-degree (farenheight) threshhold is key.

Tirzah
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 2280
   Posted 11/19/2008 6:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Probably best to check with your doctor, but I was told something a little different.

1. A fever of 102F or higher is a sign of a severe, life threatening allergic reaction or hypersensitivity to the medication. It has nothing to do with water temperature or anything. If you're running a high fever & are on the patch you need to call 911 (and like Bionic Woman says -- take the patch off right away!).

2. The water temperature of showers can be warm, but not hot. Hot water (or heating pads or sitting in front of the fireplace or any other heat source) will speed up the rate your body absorbs the medicine. While there is a real risk of overdose if you're in a hot bath or shower for too long (I know, it happened to me -- & the water temp was only 99F), the main issue is that you won't be getting an even dosing of the medication, which is what the patch is designed to do. You'll get extra while exposed to the heat & then have less remaining for the remainder of the time. I'm not sure there is a hard & fast temp that is considered "hot". If your skin turns reddish or your hr speeds up, it's probably too hot. 102F might be a good average. My doc gave me a lower threshold, so best to ask your own physician.

BionicWoman
Regular Member


Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 243
   Posted 11/20/2008 4:45 AM (GMT -7)   
I have to respectfully disagree with #1. There are literally thousands of reasons a person would develop a fever of 102F or greater that have absolutely nothing to do with a reaction to the medication.

Per the FDA labelling requirements:

"Call your healthcare professional right away if you get a fever higher than 102°F. A fever may cause too much of the medicine in the fentanyl skin patch to pass into your body. Your healthcare professional may tell you to use a lower dose while you have a fever."

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/InfoSheets/patient/fentanylPIS.htm

uniquelyme
Veteran Member


Date Joined Nov 2008
Total Posts : 1037
   Posted 11/20/2008 7:16 AM (GMT -7)   
I think she is saying that the bath water shouldn't be over 102 degrees, not that she has a fever....
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
Forum Information
Currently it is Monday, December 05, 2016 1:32 AM (GMT -7)
There are a total of 2,732,866 posts in 301,064 threads.
View Active Threads


Who's Online
This forum has 151217 registered members. Please welcome our newest member, antknight.
221 Guest(s), 4 Registered Member(s) are currently online.  Details
Nick_69, Albannach, YiyiBoo, docktahkay


Follow HealingWell.com on Facebook  Follow HealingWell.com on Twitter  Follow HealingWell.com on Pinterest
Advertisement
Advertisement

©1996-2016 HealingWell.com LLC  All rights reserved.

Advertise | Privacy Policy & Disclaimer