400 years of morphine..... just for the curious!

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kttn251977
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   Posted 11/29/2008 10:42 AM (GMT -7)   
This is just a strange subject I was thinking about the other day......
I love to read (& watch movies) based on topics like Jane Austen used to write about. I also like worthless knowledge. So I am sure this thought has entered any chronic pain book junkie's mind.
  Have you ever thought about what it would have been like to live a few hundred years ago when medicine was really begining make its mark? For example....
  Jane Austen's book Mansfield Park is one of my all time favorite books. She often refers to Lady Bertram as needing a heavy daily dosage of opium/morphine. How crazy would it have been to live at a time when your physician would make you large vials of liquid opium? And, history also supports that make-up used to have such high levels of it in make-up as well. (Lipstick & foundation.) So much so that people could die from wearing it too thickly or too long! Isn't that a wild thought?
  Does anyone have any comments/thoughts or especially more worthless knowledge?
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ekkorose
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   Posted 11/29/2008 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Random Trivia


Morphine was used to cure opium addiction
Morphine is named after Morpheus, the Greek god of dreams
Opium is believed to have been discovered as early as 4000 BC

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kttn251977
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   Posted 11/29/2008 5:26 PM (GMT -7)   
wow! 4000 BC? Was it originally used as a pain reliever or do you know?
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Hound-Dog
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   Posted 11/30/2008 12:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes it was used as a pain killer in 4000 BC and heroin was thought to be a cure for morphine addiction. We all know how that idea worked out. NOT.

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   Posted 11/30/2008 8:00 AM (GMT -7)   
I do Know another fact about morphine and opium but Im not sure if its ok to post it on this site lol, but it is a fact.


In europe back in the day opium and morphine were used to treat woman with depression in mental instutions. When a woman was commint by her husband or family it was adminstered to the woman!



Lara

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kttn251977
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   Posted 11/30/2008 8:50 AM (GMT -7)   
oh my gosh! you know thats funny you mentioned that. i was at a different forum where it was drs talking about patients (i wish i had the site, cause everyone on here would flip they would be so ticked off) anyhow, this dr was talking about this girl who had "kidney stones" all the time. she said it was her first time working the er, but the others knew her, heres what ticked me off- she had all the symptoms- even the high white blood cell count- to confirm kidney stones. the girl told her that she was clausterphobic about the cat scan & needed something to calm her down (which the dr denied & says the patient screamed the whole time in the cat scan). anyhow there wasn't a good picture so she give her a shot of morphine & some phenergan. (the girl was requesting demeral)(sp). well she said the girl started screaming about how she wasn't even listening & none of the drs ever listen.....it really ticked me off at the dr. i was misdiagnosed 3 times incorrectly when i had kidney stones. so i know it happens.
i WISH i still had the website so you could all go on there & see what drs REALLY say! the just bash people with pain issues. the cold shoulder you get at the hospital dosen't stop there. i would be so angry if i ever found out a dr i saw talked about me to other people.
....... just thought i would add to your story. :P

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ladyred
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   Posted 11/30/2008 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I am one of those usless information people as well.  I was watching the history channel one day and they were talking about the orgins of morphine and opites and it was on the show.  It was way back in the 18th centery.  But I did do some reserach as well and found it mentioned several times in the history of the mental instutions.

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   Posted 11/30/2008 10:56 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm all for information, but maybe we should check ourselves a bit on this thread. First, forum rules don't permit discussions of illegal behavior, and maybe this is skirting the edges - and can open doors for others to start adding, IMHO.

The issue with women and doctors who may be abusive is another subject altogether. But I also think we need to be careful about people who may post to websites claiming they are doctors. Most of them likely are not. Anyone can claim to be, but unless a site verifies credentials - which could take a lot of work - there's no way to know. Someone could be a tech or a student or be making it up entirely. Most sites that have actual physicians posting are affiliated with an institution like a medical center or university. I'm not saying abuses don't happen - they do - but I wouldn't believe what I read on a website. Most doctors who might do that sort of thing won't do it on a website where they could be potentially traced through an IP address, and lose their license.

PaLady

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ekkorose
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   Posted 11/30/2008 11:39 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't see anything about illegal behavior other then the doctor horror stories. I think the trivia and history of just about anything is good and it teaches us a little about how the world once worked.

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In the United States today, there is a pervasive tendency to treat children as adults, and adults as children. The options of children are thus steadily expanded, while those of adults are progressively constricted. The result is unruly children and childish adults. ~Thomas Szasz 


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   Posted 11/30/2008 11:33 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree that history and knowledge is most always a good thing...in fact essential some times. But remember this IS a family site. We don't want anything on the screen that you wouldn't want your kids to read. I'm a bit uncomfortable with some of what's been posted but I will leave it up to the admin whether or not to edit any of it. I don't think I'd like my 9 year old grandsons reading parts of this thread.

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I agree we need to keep the discussion family friendly. I think the historical discussion is interesting but the sexual references were edited for younger viewers.
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kttn251977
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   Posted Yesterday 9:40 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks chutz, never wanted to offend anyone.
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- Dr. Phil

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