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Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 12/3/2008 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
I have back pain - Stenosis, Osteoarthritis all levels including tail bone, Scoliosis
and some other things. It's like I have a big pain cross on my back. : (
If my left shoulder was measured, it would probably be 2 inches longer than my

Of Course, I'm considering the Pain Pump but until that time comes to act, I have
a question:

When my left shoulder is in pain, I can't do anything. I'm miserable.
It's good first thing in the morning, after a nap, or after my husband gives me a massage.
It's especially good if my Methadone has kicked in. Anyway it stays good for a couple
of hours and then Wham ... down I go holding the nob of my shoulder. It feels like
my shoulder is almost detaching. (A spasm?)

If I go for an MRI, I couldn't lay still while I was in pain. If I wasn't in pain, would
the problem even show? I've had many MRI's but this is a rather new problem.

I'm going to try asking my doctor tomorrow. However, my doctor is a busy busy
busy man and it is unlikely that he will have time to answer my question. (Any
question) I need a new Pain Doctor.(Not easy to do)

I haven't been reading much. Too much pain. I'll catch up soon. (I hope)
Pamela Shoulderpain aka Pamela Neckpain sad

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   Posted 12/3/2008 3:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Pamela,sorry to hear about your shoulder pain . I have shoulder pain to ,it just started today I think I pulled a muscle. I know what you mean it feels like I have a muscle spasms.
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spinal conditions: Scolosis,herniated discs,spinal blockage,Spinal stenosis,bursitis ,Fibro,and arthritis

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   Posted 12/3/2008 4:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Pamela,

I'm so sorry that your shoulder is in pain. I certainly know shoulder pain & how bad it can get as I've had 3 shoulder surgeries from a torn labrum & ligament damage. I had to have both of my shoulders literally tied back into place as they always used to dislocate. They were very painful for years, even after the surgeries, but fortunately they have finally returned to feeling some-what normal. Now they only bother me when I lift something too heavy/do something stupid, or if I don't sleep with my shoulder pillows.

I'm no doctor, so I can't tell you for sure what is going on, but it would definitely be worth getting checked out. You could just have muscle spasms or inflammation, or your shoulder could be sub-luxating (partially popping out of the joint, it usually clicks loudly & feels like it "jumps" if this is happening, but you can also feel some pulling), or you could have even torn something. You definitely need someone to take a look, an orthopedist would be the best.

An MRI would probably show any damage, although they aren't always conclusive. My MRI's never showed my torn labrum, and the ligament damage that I had also cannot be seen by MRI (because they were not torn, only damaged), it has to be determined by exam & history.

You might think about picking up a cheap sling a the pharmacy so that you could put it on when your shoulder is really bothering you & give it a rest. You will be surprised how much gravity alone can influence your shoulder. Ice and heat are also good -- they do make ice packs & heating pads that are meant for shoulders (since shoulders are such an awkward shape). Your husband's massages sound wonderful too! If you sleep on your side, try not to sleep on that shoulder.

Also, if you sleep on the side of your good shoulder, you might want to get a squishy pillow that you can put under your bad arm to support it, and place another pillow in front of you so that you can use it to prop up & rest the hand of your bad shoulder on. I use cylinder shaped pillows with little tiny foam beads in them, as they are very flexible yet supportive. I have had to sleep this way since I first injured my shoulders nearly six years ago, because the force of my hand/arm hanging over the side of my body hurts my shoulders. The pillows really help to take the stress off of the shoulder. I wake up in pain without them.

Good luck with the doctor! I hope you get some answers & some relief!


Post Edited (skeye) : 12/3/2008 2:30:12 PM (GMT-7)

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   Posted 12/3/2008 6:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you thought of bursitis? My left shoulder once hurt so bad when I moved it, or even thought of moving it and it was a small fluid filled sack inside the joint. One shot or cortisone and a few weeks of anti inflammatories and it was all better.

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Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 12/3/2008 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
At one time I did tie my shoulder back. It wasn't a very good tie. I didn't know
how to do it.
I will look at pillows. I keep walking around in the pillow departments and then
leaving after deciding I can't afford any pillows. My purchase today was a lighted
raindeer for the front lawn and a pack of Christmas cards Maybe I can't afford not
to have some good pillows.
I sleep on my side and at all times during my sleep I hold my shoulder and kind
of massage it with lotion all night. (No wonder I wake up every two hours!)
I think a sling is good idea too. I once tried to make one with my bra.I cut the straps
and tied them in some creative ways. My elbow went in the cup. It worked fairly
well but kept me housebound.
Ice packs and heat pads for the shoulder! I've never seen such things. I balance
a ho***er bottle on my shoulder as I type this. I hate ice but I know it makes
swelling go down.
I don't think it's subluxating because I never hear a pop or crack ... but I do
feel a terrible pulling away.
Ekkorose: From your discription of Bursitis, I sure hope that's what I have but ...
I kinda doubt it.
We'll see. I have to get an internist because mine is quitting. After that I
believe I will get a referral to an orthopedist.
This stuff ain't for sissies!

Osteoarthritis all levels of spine right down to Coccyx,Spondilytis,Myofascial Pain
Fibromyalgia,Bulging Discs,Spinal Stenosis,Scoliosis,Osteopenia,Chronic Constipation
Carpel Tunel Syndrome, Attention Deficit Disorder,
Depression & Anxiety

Methadone for Pain, Xanax for Anxiety, and more, of course.

Post Edited (Pamela Neckpain) : 12/3/2008 9:41:07 PM (GMT-7)

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   Posted 12/4/2008 8:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Pamela,

The pillows I use are called Moshi pillows. They are pretty cheap (I think they were less than $15). You used to be able to find them everywhere -- Khols, Linens & Things, Bed Bath & Beyond, etc. I don't know if they are still as easy to find, as mine are 5 or 6 years old, but I'm sure you can order them online somewhere.

The raindeer for your lawn sounds cute! I love those.

Massaging your shoulder with lotion is good, but as you said, that can make you sore too if you go too hard or do it too much. The ice packs & heating pads for shoulders you might have to search for online, at a medical or PT type store. I know they exist because I have a bunch of them, but I don't know if you would find them in your standard pharmacy (you could always ask the pharmacist about them too, they might be able to point you in the right direction). The hot water bottle is great if it works, but I'd think that would be quite hard to use on your shoulder, but then again, I used to balance bags of ice on my shoulder all the time, so I shouldn't be talking tongue.

Good luck with the doc!

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