Withdraw Symptoms From MS Sulfate Morphine ER

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drjimmy
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   Posted 1/7/2009 1:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been on 130 MG of MS Sulfate 3 times daily for several months and recently got a       stomach virus. I was constantly vommting and had diarhrea. i stopped taking all meds, because my stomach only had acid in it and I was afraid it would hurt my stomach to take meds in that state. So I have been off the MS Sulfate for 5 - 7 days now and my eyes are having trouble focusing, when I watch tv, or am on the computer I get nauseus. I don't feel comfortable in my skin somehow. I'm restless, irritible, can't get comfortable in any condition and continue with the nausea even though my doctor put me on compazine for nausea and vommiting. I'm waiting to hear back from my Pain Doctor, but could this be withdraw symptoms from not taking the MS Sulfate suddenly for 5 - 7 days? Please advise.

straydog
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   Posted 1/7/2009 3:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Sure it could, in fact you have given a perfect description of withdrawals, been there & done that. By having this bug, you are not able to give your body the medication its become use to. I sure feel bad for you because in essence you are getting hit with a double whammy. I sure hope you can get things calmed down soon and I sure hope your dr calls you back fast. Try to get yourself hydrated the best you can, you may need to go to ER and get some IV fluids in you. Let us know what your drs says. Take good care. Susie


drjimmy
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   Posted 1/7/2009 4:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Susie. That's what it feels like to me. What a horrible feeling, I feel bad for you and all others who have gone through it. I wish I could just focus on something, or get comfortable for a few minutes. Is excessive sweating also a symptom, because I have been soaking the sheets and blankets, not to mention my clothes with sweat. Thanks again for getting back to me so soon. Have a good day. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Eric

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   Posted 1/7/2009 4:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, Eric, sweating is a huge part of drug withdrawal.  The good part of this is that when you are able to take meds again, you probably won't need as much as you had been taking.  wink
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straydog
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   Posted 1/7/2009 4:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Eric has your dr returned your call yet? Either way-please, please try getting some fluids in your body. Gatorade is good at helping getting the electrolytes back in balance. Try some hot showers for the aching then hit yourself with tepid water spray for the sweats. Take good care. Susie


drjimmy
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   Posted 1/7/2009 5:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I missed the call from the doctor by about 3 seconds, because I was in the bathroom. His message said to call him back and leave another message and he will call back. I did that & I'm waiting for his call again. This time my phone is attached to my body, lol. Thanks for the good advice on hydrating. It's good to know there are people I can turn to who have been though what I'm going through. I'm glad I found this site. I'll let you know what the doctor says when I talk to him. Byeeeeeeeee

Eric

drjimmy
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   Posted 1/7/2009 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   
btw, I meant MS Contin, not MS Sulfate. MS Contin IS Morphine Sulfate Extended release. I'm sure you figured that out already. Byeeeeeeeeee

Eric

drjimmy
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   Posted 1/7/2009 6:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I just heard from the doctor. He said that I AM having withdraw symptoms from the MS Contin. He wants me to put a Fentanyl patch on until I'm able to start taking the MS Contin again. Of course stay hydrated, which I knew, thanks in part to you guys. Hopefully tonight will pass easy and quick, esp. if I can get some sleep. Thanks again for being there for the answers i needed and the positive thoughts. Byeeeeeeeeeee

Eric

straydog
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   Posted 1/7/2009 6:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Eric, I knew what you meant. I just hope you and the doc can connect. It never fails we can walk away from the phone for seconds and it will ring. I missed a very imporant call from the nurse today about a matter, But, I called for an appt knowing full well it would be at least a week before the dr could see me, cause the nurse stressed the dr said to schedule a 30 min appt to go over my test results. I underwent 3 CT SCANS with contrast New Years Eve and they came back abnormalities showing on the Scans. I was told to be in her office tomorrow at 2 so we will see.
 
Back in the fall of 04 I had a torn meniscus in the right knee fixed, then 3 weeks later a partial tear of the ACL fixed on the left knee. Lordy, I must have been out of my mind scheduling those so close together. I could not get up or down unless someone pulled me or sat me down, boy was that fun. I could not put any kind of pressure on my knees and I had no strength in them to push up. Well, I was going in for my 1st post op visit from the ACL surgery, and got the toe of my shoe caught in the lines on the concrete at the handicap parking ramp. I knew better than to fall so I am trying to stay uprighted and ended twisting my knee all to hell. By the time they got me in an exam room my knee was nearly a small cantelope size and it felt like my heart was beating in it. Doc wanted to put me in the hospital-I said no way, so he let me sit 3 hours with him coming in & checking on me and we watched this knee get bigger & bigger. When he saw I would not give in he let me go home but warned me on what to do if something else happened. He told me I was one of the most hard headed patients he had ever dealt with and he knew I was in horrible pain and he just could not believe I just sat there watching this knee get bigger & bigger. I came home and put this ice water wrap on my entire leg, I woke up from surgery with it on and it kept ice cold water flowing thru out it to keep the swelling down. It came with a small cooler that we kept full of ice and the melted ice water came thu a little hose that connected to the cooler looking thing. It was a great little contraption. Five days later I go back to see him, bu this time from my foot to the very top of my leg I am really swollen, it looked like I had 2 different legs attached to my body.lol. In pain from hell to say the least, my pain meds never touched it. He saw me in the hall and I never made it to the exam room-he pointed his finger at me & said this could be a blood clot you are going next door to the hospital to be admitted now. This time I went, I was nearly out of my mind in pain at that time.
 
I get admitted, no blood clot. After a couple days they did an MRI and I had torn tendons & muscles in the knee like crazy. He came in my room to see me-now I really liked this guy, he was great, he said well you really screwed it up this time. I spent 18 long months in a Don Joy brace trying to get that thing to heal correctly. In the meantime while being in the hospital, my pain mgt dr was at one of his other clinics in another town-so I got nothing for pain the entire day and most of the night the first day there. My pain meds I had taken at home had long worn  off and they didn't do much to begin with, not for that kind of pain. I became a very agitated and irrate patient let me tell you, I was not nice. Then, when my pain dr finally showed up, here he comes with my ortho in tow, and they are apologizing because of this, well I guess I laid both of them out. I was knocked out for a good 3-4 days and it took alot of IV pain meds to get me comfortable. My favorite nurse was concerned because it was taking so much to get the pain down. I was too out of it to have a PCA machine so they just gave me the shots in my IV. I spent a week there mainly for pain control and it was a horrible week. When I came home the very first thing I did was flush every pain pill in this house. Here I had been on IV morphine for 7 days-well you know what I went thru, plus I was already sick on top of it. But, I made it thru it. A week later saw my pain dr and he wanted to know how the meds were doing with my pain so I tell him what I did. His ole mouth flew open, he is like no, how can you sit here in this chair w/no pain meds for a week, I said I don't know but here I am. Well, after a long talk mainly about my fears and what happened in the hospital I agreed to get back on the pain meds and never stopped them again. What threw such a scare into me was I was coherent enough to know they were giving me large amts of morphine for pain and it was in my mind it was just making the pain escalate and I truly became frightened.I had made my mind up once I got out of there, no way would I take pain meds again. MY BP shot so high, they brought a cardiologist in for the week, he was working on getting my BP down, it was pure pain driving it up. So, thats my fun event of of self-induced withdrawals, of course now, I have a pain pump and life is decent, w/o it, my life was no decent.
 
Keep me posted on whats going on. Susie


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   Posted 1/7/2009 6:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Great, the patch will help you out. Let us know how you do, Susie


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   Posted 1/7/2009 9:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi drjimmy,

A similar thing happened to me about a month ago. I got pretty sick (which was actually caused by a massive build-up of side effects from my oxycontin) for several days a little over a month ago. During that time I was off all meds, and I ended up going through withdrawls for a day or two, before I got enough meds back in my system. It was similar to what you described & a horrible experience. Since then, my doc has been afraid to put me back on long acting meds, since the same thing could happen because we are still playing around with dosages, etc. I'm actually about to start a controlled taper of my oxycodone, since it hasn't seemed to be helping enough & by taking a drug holiday, we'll hopefully be able to re-evaluate things (and perhaps discover that it was helping more than I thought) before trying something new. I'm a little nervous, because of what happened earlier & we are doing what my doc referred to as a fairly fast taper. I'm just glad that my doc will be helping me through this process. I hope you were able to talk to your doc & he recommended something that helps! Hang in there. Hopefully the worst will be over soon!

Skeye

Post Edited (skeye) : 1/7/2009 10:11:57 PM (GMT-7)


drjimmy
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   Posted 1/8/2009 6:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey, what's up? My doctor only wanted me to stay on the Fentanyl Patch until I'm able to resume my usual MS Contin pills. So as of first thing this morning, i'm off the patch and on MS Contin again. The only problem is I'm feeling exceptionally "out of it". My wife says I don't look like I usually look, my eyes look different. She says I'm "Spacing out" with constant eyeball drifting movement, slurred speech, slow on processing my thoughts, etc. I'm assuming this is because I was off the MS Contin altogether for 5 - 7 days and now I'm back on full force just like that (130 MG 3 times daily). My body is adjusting to the drug at such a high dose again, rather than the way I was eased into it originally (15 mg, then 30 mg, then 60 mg, then 100 mg, etc) Is this normal after being off of it for a week? Thanks for listening to my problems.

Eric

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   Posted 1/8/2009 6:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Eric,
There could still be some fentanyl in your system, too, and you could have too much of the combination of drugs in your system. I'd call your doctor's office now and if they're closed even ask for the on-call doc. If you can't get anyone my thought would be to call or go to the ER. You need to make sure you're not in overdose territory. Maybe someone else here has some thoughts, but I'm a little concerned about your symptoms.

PaLady

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   Posted 1/8/2009 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Anti-emetics and fentanyl,
If your system can tolerate fentanyl, good for you. If you have a stomach virus I would actually suggest taking some antacid tablets and a strong anti-emetic. Since you already have pre-existing nausea, I would suggest cannabis (please vaporise only) as it has very strong anti nausea properties, to the point where it helps cancer patients who would otherwise be unable to eat because of the chemotherapy. Taking in cannabis vapor may reduce your nausea sufficiently to enable you to take your mscontin. I personally am terrified of ever using fentanyl for various reasons. I hope you are feeling better and can take your medication. Being off of it for about a week will reduce your tolerance a bit to the point where the same dosage will be relieving your pain better for at least a little while.

Peace to you,
~Mike

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   Posted 1/8/2009 10:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Eric,

As you said, could it also be because you went back on the MS Contin too quickly. Since you have been off it for a while (long enough to go through significant withdrawl), your body may be more sensitive to it. Could you start out more slowly? I agree with PAlady, that you should definitely at least talk to your doctor to make sure that you are not in a dangerous situation.

Skeye

drjimmy
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   Posted 1/9/2009 7:35 AM (GMT -7)   
today i woke up feeling a little better. Actually, I have the familiar feeling of very bad nerve pain on my left side mostly. I just realized that i haven't felt this pain for sevral days through my ordeal and I missed it. Sounds funny, but it's actually true in a way. My wife is very relieved that I'm having this bad nerve pain again, because it means I'm coming out of the funk I've been in. Combination of withdraw and over medicated feeling due to starting back on the MS Contin at a high level (130 mg three times daily) left me with no nerve pain whatsoever. Now that my body is adjusting back to normality, my nerve pain has retrurned too. Somehow comforting. I guess i've made it through the worst part of this. The only concerning symptom that remains is my vision problems. I'm hoping this too will resolve itself as I continue to hydrate myself. Has anyone else here experienced a vision problem (Temp Hopefully) associated with withdraw symptoms/Dehydration? It's like my vision isn't sharp...I had trouble watching the national championship game last night, because it was hard to see the score and time left, etc. PaLady & Skeye, I spoke to my doctor and he jst said to stay on the Fentanyl patch until I was able to start taking MS Contin. I went through that process and am now back on the MS Contin. I haven't spoken to the doctor again since then. I probably should have. But now I seem to be over the worst of this. Thanks for your help through my situation. Susie, thanks to you too, for your help and encouragement through this. It definitely helps to have friends who know what they're talking about! Byeeeeeee

Eric
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