Pain,Vitamin D & Northern states

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AndreaRN
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   Posted 1/17/2009 10:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I saw my Dr. this Monday because of increased posterior neck pain for the past month. (new Dr. as my old left)

He said people in the northern states are found to be (for most) vitamin D deficient and studies show this will increase pain perception among other things. He wants me to take 1000U of vitamin D twice a day year around. It is because of the decreased sunshine hitting the skin. I did a google search on Vit D and pain and what an eye opener. It is also very helpful for other problems.

I ordered mine from drugstore.com so should be coming soon. I sure hope it helps. The doctor is part of a large Health Provider system which has very high ratings for patient care and I have always been impressed with their on going common sense approach.
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C3-4 herniation
C4-5 disectomy & fusion (anterior)
C6-7 & C7-8 L laminectomies (posterior) (need R)
Partial removal of supporting Cervical Posterior Ligament
Constant shoulder pain & tightness.intermittent neck pain
bulged discs at C6-7 & C7-8

Chronic Pain with Vicodin 7.5/325 rx

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straydog
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   Posted 1/17/2009 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Andrea thanks for posting this. Yes, Vit D is a very good one for sure. People that do not get in the sun much really need it. I read an article recently 30 min in the sun per day is needed. My best friend had a Dexa for osteoporosis, came back postive. Her dr put her on 3000mg of Vit D per day for one year. After a year she was dropped down to 1000 mg per day. The vitamin D reversed the osteoporosis. Her dr says the medication for it causes more harm than most people know due to the medication staying in our systems for so long. My own PCP has me on Vit D and checked my level recently on some blood work. I have already lost 2 inches in height because of the osteop. and I have started the 3000 mg of Vit D per day too. I spoke with my PCP about this instead of taking the script for the nose spray she had written a script for. Mine is too far gone to reverse, we are trying to slow the progression of the disease. We will check me in 6 months to see if I have made any progress. If not then I will do the nose spray. Susie


PAlady
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   Posted 1/17/2009 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Andrea,
Welcome back! And thanks for the info. on Vit. D & pain. That connection I didn't know and living where I do I sure need to!

By the way, my cousin gave me a mug with that saying for Christmas!

Now, I've got to warm up, bundle up, and go shovel out and get to the store before the NEXT storm front hits. I am so, so tired of winter!

PaLady

AndreaRN
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   Posted 1/18/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
My vit D was sitting on the porch (from yesterday) so I just took my first. Lets touch base in one month and see if we feel any improvement.....

2 inches loss is a lot Susie! How long since you started your Vit D?

I am a dummy when it comes to pills.....my nursing was mostly in critical units and used IV meds.

Andrea
Women who behave don't make History!

C3-4 herniation
C4-5 disectomy & fusion (anterior)
C6-7 & C7-8 L laminectomies (posterior) (need R)
Partial removal of supporting Cervical Posterior Ligament
Constant shoulder pain & tightness.intermittent neck pain
bulged discs at C6-7 & C7-8

Chronic Pain with Vicodin 7.5/325 rx

VIEW IMAGE


straydog
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   Posted 1/18/2009 11:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Andrea I just started it recently. Yes, that is alot of height to lose and our goal is to slow down the pregression of the disease by way of the Vit D and the nose spray stuff I use. I truly knew something was up in the height dept, being short to begin with, but I started having problems reaching things that I could reach before w/o a problem, then suddenly I was not able to do reach things. What really irks me is my old PCP sent me for a bone density about 6 yrs ago and it showed osteopenia which is the pre-cursor to osteoporosis. Perhaps if I had been placed even on medication at that point, the disease probably would not have progressed the way it did w/o treatment. Now when I see my PCP I am measured every time and its recorded in my chart. I have actually had to re-arrange alot of things in my kitchen in oder to reach them w/o having to drag out my step stool,lol.

I did find my best friends news just amazing. To me it supports what you read about with the Vit D.. Spoke with my sister today and she read the article too. I told her to get her a Dexa Scan & get on vitamin D. The woman is 64 yrs old & never had one done!!! But, the only medication she has ever took in her life was her hormone pills.lol. She hates drs and refuses to see one-she said they make people sick....Susie


Holyhormones!
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   Posted 2/25/2009 3:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, I am a huge believer in Vitamin D, and so is my pain management specialist, and my hormone doctor. I take 5000 IU's daily, and it really does help. Besides that ------ you will tan beautifully in the summer (my doctor doesn't get all hyper about a little sunning, good thing since I live in NC and the sun shines here a lot more than it did in NY!) Best wishes to all (oh, and if you are wondering why my screen name is holyhormones------I take bioidentical progesterone and testosterone-----it saved my life-----off six medications, have more energy now than I did when I was 30---and I am a happy 50 year old!)

straydog
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   Posted 2/26/2009 7:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Holyhormones I love your screen name,lol. My cardiologist and PCP ragged on me so hard about HRT that I finally went off my hormones after being on them for years. Life sucks without them. I am very interested in knowing your mixture. Is is a cream shot, pill or what? That is if you don't mind sharing it here. Thanks Susie


straydog
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   Posted 5/27/2010 1:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Indersonu, no she was not on any of the scripts for osteoporosis. Her dr is not much on on the medications for osteoporosis, his thinking is the long term use and problems later on down the road. He has the same attitude on HRT, none of his patients are ever rx'd meds for it, he has them use natural therapies for that. We are in Tx and I do not know where you are located. She told me the number on the scale that is used to rate the osteoporosis and hers was considered mild. I still take Vitamin D and will continue to do so. If you will do a google search on it you will be amazed at what you elarn.
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


Alcie
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   Posted 5/27/2010 3:16 PM (GMT -7)   
10000 units a day for extended time is toxic according to recent medscape report.

The formula for raising D, from the report, is: for every 1ng low take 100 uniys of D. For my level of 18, that means 4000units to get to 58 - low end of 50 - 90.

I take 2000 units AM, another if I don't work outside.
Alcie
 
 


tmjpain
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   Posted 5/27/2010 4:11 PM (GMT -7)   
It has been reported that those with chronic pain have low vit. D levels.

Mine was low and i am on 5000 IU.
   
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Alcie
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   Posted 5/28/2010 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Retired
Not meaning to be combative, just clarifying that I did mention that it was 10,000 units a day - over extended time. I just don't want people to get toxic from ridiculous self-prescribing. A lot of doctors prescribe 50k units for a short time to jump start the levels. That was what my sister was prescribed.

After your next test you will be able to get an idea of what you need t take as a maintenance dose from the formula I posted above.

I'm hoping taking the extra D will help slow my osteoporosis. I've lost an inch and have horrible arthritis in my entire spine, probably from following the old idea of using a bunch of sunscreen and never getting tan for 20 years or so.

BTW, I found that adding D has helped my fibro pain a lot too.

Oh, also the D I am taking, an what the article said, is in addition to the D already in my Calcium and vitamin pills! It's what I needed to ADD!
Alcie
 
 


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   Posted 5/28/2010 4:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Retired mom, don't be so worried, I take 50,000 iuds of vit D twice a month..so the doctor should know what he's doing and
if you have questions bring it up to your doctor...I don't think a pharmacy would give it to you if it was toxic, I'd like to think thye'd
question it and tell you if it was, maybe ask your phamacist...
I do think vit D helps along with lovaza (omega-3)...Lovaza is screened for pcb's...
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Alcie
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   Posted 5/28/2010 5:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I pop my little 2k unit gelcap with my morning meds and coffee. Evening one is with supper. They're tiny.
Alcie
 
 


Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 5/28/2010 6:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry gonna add in my 2cents before I no longer have computer access.

Alcie you said ~~>"10000 units a day for extended time is toxic according to recent medscape report.

The formula for raising D, from the report, is: for every 1ng low take 100 uniys of D. For my level of 18, that means 4000units to get to 58 - low end of 50 - 90.

I take 2000 units AM, another if I don't work outside."


....perhaps "toxic" (IE the body will dump excess via urine or diarreah) for a "normal person." And the "forumla" is for normal consumption for the average person....But it also includes ALL sources of D including food, sunshine, etc. Not just amount via suppliment. It is an "overall" formula.

It just doesnt work for people who need more vitamin D or D2 added for medical reasons. Not for me at any rate. There are other people like me. I have an absorption rate of 0.0026 (0.0025) (which happened to caused osteoperosis and other areas to "crumble" like chalk. But NOT to be confused with malabsorption.) and hypoparathyroidism. I HAVE to consume 50,000 UI Drisdol per week. There are times when I must consume more depending on lab reports, but NEVER any less. The consequences are... life threatening. It will be this way for the rest of my life. Also, I cannot consume caffiene. Cannot consume seperate calcuim suppliments or calcium containing "medicine" (Tums).

Just wanted you to know that there are reasons why some people must take large amounts daily for their entire lives. I am one of those people.

Sometimes when you read reports or on the internet, it seems so cut and dry. Must remember that it is usually compared to "normal" or other wise "healthy" people. Also, when speaking in terms of #of cases....it is compiled of all "reports" from the united states for the target year. There are billions of people in the US.

Here is the report in question~~~> http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/819426-overview
~~>"
The 2007 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers' National Poison Data System document the total number of exposures for each class of vitamins, the number of patients with major adverse outcomes, and the number of fatalities from that ingestion,3 as follows:

.....Vitamin D - 596 total exposures, 1 major outcome, and 0 deaths."


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Retired Mom
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   Posted 5/29/2010 3:01 AM (GMT -7)   
I just gave up and deleted my other posts on this one.

I take D.....prescribed by a Dr.

It works for me.

Best to you all!
Retired Mom

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