Ultram withdrawals?

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DavyDave
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   Posted 2/26/2009 3:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum for this sort of thing but a lot of you might now that my new PCP put me back on Vicodin because of my Chronic back pain. I've been feeling crapper and crapper since I stopped the Ultram and switched to Vicodin. I haven't slept in two days. Feel almost like like I have a cold or flu. I just took two Ultram about 20 minutes ago and these symtoms just melted away. I didn't know Ultram was addicting, and not even Vicodin can't away the withdrawals?
 
Does anyone know how long these Ultram withdrawals last? I hope I have enough left to taper down.

PAlady
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   Posted 2/26/2009 3:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy,
Please call your doctor and ask about this. Yes, ultram can be addicting. Your doctor should have someone on call tonight you can ask. The other thing would be to ask your pharmacist, you need to make sure you doctor knows everything that's happening.

PaLady

DavyDave
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   Posted 2/26/2009 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi PALady,
 
I went to my Physciatrist today as an emergency because I didn't know what was going on with me. When I got back I put two and two together and found out I was going through withdrawals. Let's just say a lack of sleep makes me a tad despressed. He prescribed me Ambien and upped my Klonopin dose. Yesterday wasn't so bad but today I had bad joint and muscle pain. My old doctor insisted Ultram wasn't a narcotic and wasn't addicting. I called my new doctor and she never got back to me today. Hopefully the Ambien will gimme some much needed sleep tonight.

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   Posted 2/26/2009 4:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy,
Ultram isn't an opiod, but it can be addictive. I'm a little concerned though, with the fact you took more on your own. That's not only against your doctor's orders, it's dangeorus. And definitely don't add it without your doctors knowing everything you're on. The klonopin and ambien both are CNS depressants, and this is how people accidentally overdose.

You've got to stick to the way your meds have been prescribed.

PaLady

straydog
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   Posted 2/26/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy as hard is it is, PA is right. If your new dr was to do a UA on you the Ultram would show up and guess where Davy would be again, without a dr or medication. Your new dr isn't going to be interested hearing your story, she will be too busy giving you the boot. For the life of me I don't understand why you would want to take that risk after having such a difficult time finding a dr willing to take you on. I am sure you are not real comfortable but just know its temporary. Try warm bathes and warm showers, use a heating pad. But stay off the Ultram unless you are willing to risk losing your new dr, its your choice. I may sound harsh, but facts are facts. Susie


DavyDave
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   Posted 2/26/2009 6:08 PM (GMT -7)   
You ladies are right. I'm gonna speak try to speak with my doctor tomorrow, or at least with one of her nurses. I suppose I have to keep nagging them to get back to me. Like they say, the squeaky wheel gets the greese.

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   Posted 2/26/2009 6:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy,
Susie (straydog) asked a good question that I think it would do you good to answer - at least to yourself. Why would you want to risk taking the ultram - and not just one but two - without first calling your doctor, considering what you've been through?

Give this some good thought. I'm only saying this out of caring, not judgment, but best to figure it out now.

PaLady

uniquelyme
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   Posted 2/26/2009 7:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I looked up some info. on Ultram...A very long time ago I was given Ultram and told it wasn't addictive and it was safe to take... Well, recently I read that it is "like" opiates and addictive. But, that said, I can't see going from a "Non-opiate" to an opiate causing withdrawls...Maybe the other way around?

Maybe I'm wrong...

Me.
 
We are all in the same boat...unfortunatley it seems like it's sinking...
 
Rhonda
Post Lamenectomy Syndrome
Hemi Lamenectomy
Spinal Fusion
 
120 mg. Methadone daily
60 mg. Oxycodone daily
Lyrica as needed 

 


Dagger
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   Posted 2/26/2009 8:56 PM (GMT -7)   
I've read on other forums that some people have a really hard time withdrawing from Ultram. It can be addicting just like opiates but some people have suggested it is due to its effect on serotonin rather than its similarity to an opiate. It's like coming off an SSRI cold turkey. Most docs would have you taper down from an antidepressant but they don't think about it with Ultram.

I use tramadol infrequently but when I do use it, I may be taking it for 4 or 5 days in a row. When it is time to stop, I really crave it for a few days afterwards. I feel jumpy and also feel like I am getting the flu.

If you plan on tapering down, you need to discuss it with your doctor. You have to be careful what other meds you take with Ultram. Good luck.

Denim
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   Posted 2/27/2009 8:49 AM (GMT -7)   

Dear Dave,

Ultram is super addictive. It's not a matter of can be but it is, very much so. It is an outrage that doctors don't know that. Are you saying this doctor switched you from the ultram to vicodin, knowingly? I hope not, that would make him/ her beyond very foolish. There are boards on ultram withdrawal and no way can or should a doctor switch you like that. There was one thread that scared the heck out of me. The people all agreed it is way worse than the other opoids for withdrawal. I would think that there should be a law suit against the company making them. I heard one country already took it off the "non narcotic" list.

Most doctors say to taper down a pill a week. Like half a pill ev. 3 to 4 days. I just read another pharmacist say even less, he said 1/4 of a pill down a week.

I wish you well.

 


DavyDave
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   Posted 2/27/2009 2:10 PM (GMT -7)   
I called my doctor today and she got back to me. She told me I couldn't possibly be going through withdrawals because Vicodin is just so much more stronger.   She told me nothing else. So, it's like she doesn't believe me. The Vicodin doesn't take away theses symptoms. The only thing I can think of is to go to the ER. I feel like absolute crap. I don't feel like waiting for 6 hours or more there, but it looks like I have no choice.
 
I'm experiecing...
 
Dizzy Spells
Muscle/Joint Aches
Headache
The Chills
 

straydog
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   Posted 2/27/2009 2:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy are you positive you haven't picked up a flu bug. I am currently doing the same thing since Tuesday morning when I woke up. I feel awful. Susie

My head hurt so bad Tuesday that even my hair hurt I thought my head would explode.


PAlady
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   Posted 2/27/2009 2:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy,
Could it be the flu? This is the peak of flu season in a lot of areas of the country. Is the doctor you called your PCP? If not, maybe try to get into your PCP.

PaLady

DavyDave
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   Posted 2/27/2009 5:16 PM (GMT -7)   
I doubt it's the flu. Although I feel like I have the flu. Like I said yesterday, I took 2 Ultram and these symptoms went completely away. I refuse to take anymore Ultram because like you said my PCP could do another Urine test and I would be screwed. Also yes, It was the PCP I called. Guess I have to put up with it this. Luckly it's the weekend. Hopefully I'll feel better by Monday.
 
On the bright side I have an appointment with a Pain clinic in a few weeks. This clinic doesn't prescribe drugs. They just recommend what I should be on to my doctor.

straydog
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   Posted 2/27/2009 7:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy I feel much better right now too if I take my pain pills for these rotten body aches. Don't totally di***** the flu or a bug. Try to drink as much fluids as you can. Take some warm tub soaks or showers, use a heating pad.

I am so glad to hear you say you will not take anymore Ultram cause I feel you will be given a random UA soon and you just cannot afford to have this screwed up. On another note since your dr said no it was not the Ultram causing w/d please don't get upset with her, its was touted as not being addictive and she may not know any different. When these drug reps walk in with these drugs they are hyping them big time to the drs ok, so Ultram was not suppose to be an addictive drug, well now apparently many people have had problems with it but you will never get a dr to admit it cause the drug rep sais no. Cut her some slack on that issue. Look at what the peeps on here have told us about it.

I know you have gone thru some rough times and are having rough times, but let me tell you, you catch more flies with honey. Right now, she is the only one willing to help you so be a little appreciative of that. And she did give you vicodin when she said she wouldn't at first. She may not be all that bad try adjusting your attitude a tad with her and then see how you feel. Hugs, Susie


uniquelyme
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   Posted 2/27/2009 10:42 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
Does Ultram show up as an opiate in a UA?  I have never heard that before...
 
Me.

 
We are all in the same boat...unfortunatley it seems like it's sinking...
 
Rhonda
Post Lamenectomy Syndrome
Hemi Lamenectomy
Spinal Fusion
 
120 mg. Methadone daily
60 mg. Oxycodone daily
Lyrica as needed 

 


straydog
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   Posted 2/27/2009 11:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Me I have no idea I just would hate to see something show up on a UA that is not suppose to be there for Davy. He has been thru some hard times for sure and has finally found him a dr willing to take him on and he just cannot afford to get that screwed up. He has been thru enough. Hugs Susie


Denim
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   Posted 2/28/2009 9:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Davey, just wondering how you were doing? The other board I go to says that ultram w/d is like having the worst flu imaginable. I take a few a day and wish it was never given to me, though I tolerate it much better than others. It's a tough call. I just hope you are ok and the w/ds will pass. My friend said the first 3 days were the worst. Why can't they come up with a good pain reliever? Anyway, just checking in on you. Blessings.

PAlady
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   Posted 2/28/2009 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
What shows up on a UA will depend on what tests are run. And to a certain degree, how the results are interpreted.

PaLady

EMTJenn
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   Posted 2/28/2009 2:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Don't have much experience with Ultram but wanted to say that I was thinking about you and hoping this passes quickly.  Please try and hot, hot bath with some epsom salt and a heating pad will do wonders as well.
 
Please keep us updated!
 
EMTJenn

Medical Problems: Chondromalacia Patellafoemoral Syndrome-Bilat Knees, Causes me alot of pain
                                  Major Depressive Disorder/Anxiety/PTSD-My main problem I can't get a handle on
                                  Fibro-Not treated with meds, streching, relaxtion techniques help me
                                  Endometroisis/Adhesions-Better after my total hysterectomy
                                  ADD since childhood, treated with meds when in school, just started back on meds
 
Meds: Pristiq(depression) Ambien (sleep) Dexedrine (ADD) Clonozepam PRN (anxiety)
            OTC-Womens One A Day Vitamin  Glucosamine/Chondroitin and tons of Emu Cream for knee
                                  
A little history on me if interested:
 
I am a 34 year old mother of one beautiful daughter and wife of 14 years.  I have been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, Anxiety, ADD and I also have endometriosis which I had a hysterectomy and has helped that out so much!  I have PTSD from my mothers suicide in 2003.  I am trying to get well, to get my head back to the place it was before my mothers suicide.  I was always happy, outgoing, and active.  Now, I am sad, tired, full of anxiety and very little drive to do anything.  My father died May 2007 and my grandmother died Feb 15th 2009 so this has not been a very good past few years.  I sometimes think if I could have done more, seen more signs, etc...I could have saved my mom and I have alot of guilt from that, and I took care of my father until the end and wish I could have saved him from cancer as well.  I am a EMT-I and that is what I know to do, save others, but what good am I if I could not even save those that meant the most to me?
 
 
EMTJenn


Denim
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   Posted 2/28/2009 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Dear Jenn,

I had to write something when I read what you wrote about yourself. You help people daily and don't ever think you had the power to save your loved ones. I am sure you did all you could and would bet you are a kind, sincere person, looking out for others. But w/o offense, you are not God and have no control of what happens to others physically and mentally. If I hurt your feelings, please know, it wasn't meant to do so--only to say that we, as mere mortals can do but so much. How could you save one from cancer? If I could, I wish I could save everyone from the physical and emotional pain they go through. I often think how I wish I could transfer some of it on to a bad person--illogical thinking and impossible, but I'm not God either and I know He wouldn't think like me. But I get mad sometimes and wish I could do that. I am so sorry for all you have been through and have been going through. I would bet you know that you need to give yourself a break and not add guilt to your problems. If you don't mind I would like to pray for you and again I didn't mean harm. Sometimes when we write it doesn't always come out the way we want. I see  a loving, caring woman that has been through a lot, and needs support. Bless you. I hope the laughter and energy will return. I haven't gone through the same things as you but have had my share of troubles too and now pain but I have faith to cling to and it helps. I hope I didn't make you feel worse, those were not my intentions--a big hug would be more suitable. But I would like to pray for you and wish for you the best. 


DavyDave
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   Posted 2/28/2009 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Denim said...
Hi Davey, just wondering how you were doing? The other board I go to says that ultram w/d is like having the worst flu imaginable. I take a few a day and wish it was never given to me, though I tolerate it much better than others. It's a tough call. I just hope you are ok and the w/ds will pass. My friend said the first 3 days were the worst. Why can't they come up with a good pain reliever? Anyway, just checking in on you. Blessings.


Hi Denim,

I feel like complete hell today. There's just no way to really describe it. First three days, huh? Hopefully I'll feel better tomorrow or Monday. If I had it my way I would choose to stop taking the Vicodin just to taper off Ultram for the next few weeks. That's how desperate I am now. What's more I feel depressed. I just brake down and cry at random times.

I just can't understand why doctors, educated "professionals" believe Ultram is non addicting. It just amazes me so much.

 


DavyDave
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   Posted 2/28/2009 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
EMTJenn said...
Don't have much experience with Ultram but wanted to say that I was thinking about you and hoping this passes quickly.  Please try and hot, hot bath with some epsom salt and a heating pad will do wonders as well.
 
Please keep us updated!
 
EMTJenn

Thank you Jenn for thinking about me. It makes me feel better.

PAlady
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   Posted 2/28/2009 5:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Davy,
Whether it's the flu or withdrawal, it should slowly get better. One thing tho - if you continue to take some ultram, even a small amount - you'll probably make it worse. Please don't do that unless your doctor instructs you to.

I still wouldn't rule out it being the flu. The flu can be horrendous, and even kills a lot of people. You can always try going to the ER is if it's still really bad. They may be able to tell if it's a bad case of the flu.

Take care,

PaLady

EMTJenn
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   Posted 2/28/2009 7:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Denim,

You surely did NOT offend me....I guess it is from my mothers suicide that I look back and can see signs when I did not then, therfore I blame myself for not catching it, if you know what I mean. As far as my dad goes. I wish I had not pushed so hard for chemo because I wanted him to live so badly, and one round of chemo he was gone in a week.....I have much mental healing to do and see a pysch who seems to be helping but I would much appreciate the prayers and again you did not offend me in the least......

Hugs
EMTJenn

P.S Davy, I hope you are feeling some better tonight, sending positive thoughts and prayers your way!
Medical Problems:  Chondromalacia Patellafoemoral Syndrome-Bilat Knees, Causes me alot of pain
                                  Major Depressive Disorder/Anxiety/PTSD-My main problem I can't get a handle on
                                  Fibro-Not treated with meds, streching, relaxtion techniques help me
                                  Endometroisis/Adhesions Stage 4-Better after my total hysterectomy
                                  ADD since childhood, treated with meds when in school, just started back on meds
                                  2 Buldging Discs in my C-spine from car wreck, heating pad helps most times
 
Meds: Pristiq(depression) Ambien (sleep) Dexedrine (ADD) Clonozepam PRN (anxiety)
            OTC-Womens One A Day Vitamin  Glucosamine/Chondroitin and tons of Emu Cream for knee
                                  
A little history on me if interested:
 
I am a 34 year old mother of one beautiful daughter and wife of 14 years.  I have been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, Anxiety, ADD and I also have endometriosis which I had a hysterectomy and has helped that out so much!  I have PTSD from my mothers suicide in 2003.  I am trying to get well, to get my head back to the place it was before my mothers suicide.  I was always happy, outgoing, and active.  Now, I am sad, tired, full of anxiety and very little drive to do anything.  My father died May 2007 and my grandmother died Feb 15th 2009 so this has not been a very good past few years.  I sometimes think if I could have done more, seen more signs, etc...I could have saved my mom and I have alot of guilt from that, and I took care of my father until the end and wish I could have saved him from cancer as well.  I am a EMT-I and that is what I know to do, save others, but what good am I if I could not even save those that meant the most to me?
 
 
EMTJenn

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