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motokid14
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   Posted 4/23/2009 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Ok just got my mri results back and it say:
L1-L2 slight disc bulging
L2-L3 slight disc bulging
L3-L4 slight protruding disc at the right lateral recess. Mild right lateral recess narrowing. Mild bilateral facet DJD.
L4-L5 Shallow disc bulge with mild flattening of the ventral surface of the thecal sac. Mild bilateral facet DJD and mild thickening of the ligamentum flavum.
L5-S1 Mild degenerative disc changes with slight disc bulge and mild impingement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac. Mild bilateral facet DJD.
 
Dr. is recomending phycial therapy of traction. If that don't work we will try injections.
 
I don't care at this point just want some relif!!!!!!!! Anyone else have any suggestions?

motokid14
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   Posted 4/23/2009 1:41 PM (GMT -7)   
PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Has anyone else had this problem???????????

PAlady
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   Posted 4/23/2009 4:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Motokid14,
Welcome to the chronic pain forum of Healing Well. Many of us have had those problems and much more!

We are a great support group, but we're not doctors and can't really interpret the MRI for you. Bulging disks happen to lots of us, especially as we age, and many people have no symptoms at all, but obviously you do.

It sounds like your doctor is on the right track by starting with PT. I'm not sure how old you are, but most doctors don't put us right on medications, and that's as it should be in most instances. I've been through a lot of PT, many injections, and lumbar fusion surgery. Some aspects of PT can be very helpful. I'd suggest trying it, and really following your PT's instructions about how to move right, stretching, etc. Heat, ice, and stim. machines can also help, and PT's use many of these, along with traction.

Is your doctor a pain management specialist? Is he/she giving you anything to help with the pain right now?

You might also find it helpful to read a lot of older threads here on some of the topics; there's much to learn from the members of the forum.

Again, welcome!

PaLady

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   Posted 4/23/2009 5:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Moto!
Welcome to HWCP, Sorry no one answered you right away. Sometimes it takes a while to hear back but almost certainly you will get a post back but as PA said, we are not doctors so we can help you out with our experiances but these are just our opinions and not an answer. It sounds like your back pain is pretty serious from what you say "I don't care at this point, just want some releif!" What your Dr. is suggesting is exactly what mine did years ago when I started having lower back pain. He also gave me a set of exercises to to while lying on my back which strengthened the surounding muscles and helped greatly. You should ask your Doc about it next time you go in or Google back pain exercises. I'm sure there are plenty there! You don't say if the Doc suggested any OTC anti inflamitor drugs like Advil or Aleve which if your stomac can handle them work great on back pain. He/She may also prescribe something similar but stronger! One last suggestion, w/ a name like MOTOKID, if you ride motocross, I'd definitly give it a break for a while, it sure ain't gonna help your problems!
Good Luck,
Pete
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PAlady
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   Posted 4/23/2009 6:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Pete,

I'm betting that was a good call about the motocross! yeah

PaLady
oops! My bad! Sorry! :-)

Post Edited (PAlady) : 4/23/2009 10:46:42 PM (GMT-6)


motokid14
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   Posted 4/23/2009 6:36 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks for the reply. And no I don't ride motox my 10 yr old son does. I wish I did feel like riding but that's sure not gonna happen. I am a 37 yr old female, and sick of the back pain!  My doc is not pain mgmt. He put me on prednison and loratab. I have to take 2 to relive the pain and it does not go away completly. Im just tired of hurting all the time. I cant sit or stand very long. Its nice to be able to talk to people about it. I just hope that he will help me

White Beard
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   Posted 4/23/2009 8:15 PM (GMT -7)   
motokid14

Welcome to the Forum, and sorry to hear your having pain, form the sounds of your MRI I think you have a reason to be having some pain. It does sound like your lower back is aging, and none to gracefully either! PT should help, but it will take time, and your pain will probably not disappear over night, the PT traction will try to stretch you out a little and take the pressure off the nerves, that may very well help you allot. The prednisone he has you on is a steriod and it is an anti-inflammatory agent, it usually takes a little while for it to work, and of course the Lortab is for the pain ( that is Vicodin) Which is a combination of Hydrocodone bitartrate an opioid analgesic and acetaminophen (tylenol). What strength is your lortabs? they vary in strength in both of the mediacations. Usually if given in the proper strength it is very effective in relieving pain, but often only for short periods of time.

Did you talk with you doctor about the medication not relieving you pain? How long have you been having pain? Is it more or less just recently or have you been suffering for a long time? Usually Doctors like to start off conservatinely, light pain meds, anti-inflammatories, and PT, then onto the steriod injections, allot of people get very good long lasting pain relief from the steriod injections, surgery is usually always left as a last resort, and then only if it is felt that it will help, often if the pain is on going you might be referred to a Pain Specialist or a Pain Clinic. Unless your Doctor chooses to treat you him/her self!
I am sorry that you have a reason to need to post here, but I am glad you found us, we do understand what you are going through, and we can't give you any medical advice, ( we are not doctors) but we do care about you! and will will listen and give you warm compassionate support!

Again Welcome to the Healing Well Chronic Pain Forum!
Good Luck to You

White Beard
  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


fatherjohn
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   Posted 4/23/2009 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Motokid14, Let me also welcome you to this site. You will find great ideas and wonderful encouragement on here. We all suffer with the pain and for many of us, pain is not something we ever get away from, we learn how to deal with it and find ways of addressing it. There are many people who have similar mri results like yours who go through PT and a few meds like you are on now and seem to do very well. Those people are not the ones you normally find here. We can share the treatment we have gone through including surgeries, medications and even alternatrive treatments but you have to realize that no one goes through the process the same. What works for one person will not work for others. Even the medications affect people differently. When Whitebeard asked if you talked with your doctor about the meds not working, the nreason we need to do that is that combination might not work for you. You need to be honest and open with your doctor and then follow through. I have struggled with chronic back pain for 11 years and have, like many others here, been through manydoctors and procedures. Keep us informed as to how things go and the one thing you will find here is support.

uniquelyme
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   Posted 4/23/2009 10:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Moto,
I had to say that....but Welcome... We are here for you and between all of us we might have 500 years of pain experience between us, so ask away... I have some of the same problems you have and I have had 2 surgeries..I am 42, and have had this pain since I was 20...A very long time... Like they all have said, you never get away from the pain, but hopefully you can get enough relief to be able to have a life... That's all I want, a managable life...So, anytime you need to vent, ask questions, or just talk...come on back.

Me.
 
We are all in the same boat...unfortunatley it seems like it's sinking...
Post Lamenectomy Syndrome
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High Blood Pressure: Lisinopril HCTZ 10 mg. daily
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newanpainful112
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   Posted 4/24/2009 12:54 AM (GMT -7)   
tongue  Hello Moto
I have had my back problems since 2002, I have had 2 surgerys including a spinal cord stimulator, I still have a lot of pain but have not given up. You may at times want to give up but don't give in. I have had the shots but they did not work for me but may for you. I have had Pt and am currently seeing a pain management doctor. I am on morphine and muscle relaxers and still have pain. My right leg gives out on me and I have fallen a lot in recent days. But I still have a positive outlook. But the best advice I can give you is listen to your doctors but ask alot of questions. They try to guide you along the way and don't give up.

modelmaker
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   Posted 4/24/2009 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Moto,

Your symptoms sound very much like mine did......in 1985. I have been dealing with the problem since then. I don't mean to paint a bleak picture for you since every case is different and all outcomes will vary. What all back problems seem to have in common is TIME. As WhiteBeard said above, the docs will always start off with conservative treatments and then work up to other therapies. But each step takes time to show its effectiveness or need to try something else. It sounds a little like trial and error but because of differences between people that's the way it is. Also, remember that it is said that some 80% of people will experience debilitating back pain at some point in their lives. So you are certainly not alone. You have a group of friends here who can help you through the bad times, share common experiences and provide support. What we cannot do is offer medical advice....that's for the docs to do.

My suggestion is to follow your doctor's advice to the letter. Even the PT. Give it time. But that doesn't mean you have to suffer with extreme pain. Let your doc know how you are doing and ask for pain relief. Breaking the pain-spasm cycle is part of the process of getting well.

Please don't hesitate to call on us for support or just plain venting. We have been there and understand your pain like no others can. As they say, one can talk about pain all day but you cannot really understand pain until you have been there.

Best of luck with your treatments and look forward to hearing from you soon.

modelmaker

edt
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   Posted 4/24/2009 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Moto,
Hi and Welcome to HW. I really don't have anything to add, the posts above have provided great info for you.
Just wanted to say hi and look forward to future posts from you.
Patti

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   Posted 4/24/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm with edt...moto, welcome...
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motokid14
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   Posted 4/24/2009 11:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you all for your support tongue   Wow I had a really hard day at work and my back is killing me. I work for the health dept. and I give baths and do house work for the elderly. Today was just a bad one. Laying on the couch now with my feet up. I think that I will stay here untill morning, I feel that bad. I have had so much pain in my tailbone to day can't stand to sit very long having to lay on my side. The thing with telling the doc about the pain med is that this dr. does not like to write narcotics. You are very lucky to get any from him but I managed to it is hydrcoden 5. Only give me 30 and the way it is going they wont last long. I hate to say that but 1 does not work at all some days like today. I am having to go to him because I was helping assist a gentelman out of bed and almost made him fall and me to because of my back so this is workers comp. So I have been to a pain clinic before about 2yrs ago and yes I did get the pain meds that I needed but cant go there anymore I have no insurance yet.  So Im just having to go where my boss sends me and unfortunely its to this dr who does not belive in writing pain meds because they are so addicting. So Im just trying to deal with it the best that I can. Im hoping to go to pt next week and I cant wait I hope that traction works if not I will be getting injections. Thank you all for being so nice and I hope that everyone feels better than I do today. Bless you all.

PAlady
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   Posted 4/24/2009 11:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Moto,
Oh, my, that's one of the worst jobs to have for back pain! Am I getting this right - this is a worker's comp. injury, so that's why you have to go to the doctors your employer specifics, but you're still workiing? If that accurate, there's somethiing wrong with this picture. Like you said, both you and the gentleman you were helping nearly fell. Have you told the doctor and your employer that? Because to me it seems like you should be off work - especially with that kind of a job!

You'll never get well doing all that lifting. Please ask your PT when you get there and maybe they can help you get support for not working. I can't imagine any PT worth his or her salt saying it was ok to do that kind of job with your pain symptoms!

Hugs,

PaLady

motokid14
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   Posted 4/24/2009 3:50 PM (GMT -7)   
PAlady,
Yes I am still working but since I went to the dr. I am not doing any personal care. So Im just doing light house keeping and running erronds for the elderly. Still there is sweeping mopping and vacuming you know all the back breaking work because I seem to bend to much doing those things. But Im not lifting anybody right now. So they call that light duty......????? And today has just been terrible. I had 3 patients today and thats sweeping mopping vacuming in all 3 houses. of course it is to do when I get home but you know what Im not gonna do it today I CAN"T. I just hoping that I go to pt next week and it works I just want the pain to stop it seems to be radiating down in to my tail bone today and I am miseralbe. My boss has been out of town all week and she has not seen my mri report so she will see it Monday so lets hope that maybe she will take me off work until I get better.

PAlady
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   Posted 4/24/2009 4:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Moto,
Light duty? Are they nuts? The worst thing I can do around my house is vacuum. That puts me down for days! (of course, my house shows it sad).

Is your boss the one who interprets your MRI findings? Seems like a conflict of interest to me, but hey, I don't know if I've ever heard of a Worker's comp case that didn't have one hurdle after another, including my own (which was lost, and then I was later laid off).

All I can say it I can see why your back is getting worse with all those activities. Even shopping - especially if you're carrying groceries in and out. Is your PT in your corner? Because maybe they need to put you on "no duty" if that's light duty! Employers seem to want to run us all into the ground, and then toss us to the curb when we can't function anymore! mad

Ok, I'll stop my rant!

Please, try to take care of yourself in whatever ways you can.

PaLady
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