NBC NEWS Broward County Fl. Pain Clinic Capital of the Country!!!

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Pete trips again!
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   Posted 4/30/2009 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone,
I wasn't feeling well so I went to bed and turned on the TV to watch the news. NBC w/ Brian Williams came on and low and behold one of his stories was about the pain clinics in Broward Co. Fl. where I work. Several times I've posted about how easy it is for anyone to go into these places, pay cash and walk out w/ a mess of Oxy's, well did anyone see the news tohight? If you didn't you can go to NBC News and check out the story, I just watched it again and recognised the very place they were filming the story which is right down the street from my job!!  They even showed the underground news paper I talked about w/ page after page of pain clinics advertised! They said that people from all over the country come here just to get drugs from the legal drug dealers in white coats. Florida has no tracking system for dr. shopoping and some of these people go to a dozen or more clinics a day, say they have a pain in their back or neck and pay cash at the pharmacy on site>cash only and walk out w/ hundreds of Oxy's or whatever else they ask for! It scarres the crap out of me because you just know whats going to happen now! All of us who are real CP'ers are going to be treated just like the addicts & dealers! It's just a matter of time and the good clinics will be treated just like the bad ones! I have enough to worry about, now this! Sorry to whine and cry but Geeze, Ya know? Whats next? I urge everyone to Google NBC News w/ Brian Williams and go to tonights stories, you'll see it. Please watch it if you get a chance. I knew this would happen and I'm glad it did but I just know that the powers that be will go way too far like they always do and who will be hurt? Us as usual!!! I'm going back to bed now. I'll check back w/ all Y'all to see if you did your home work and watched the big news!
Hugz to my friends!
Pete
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PAlady
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   Posted 4/30/2009 5:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Pete,
I have an old dial up connection so can't watch those kind of things! But I'll keep an eye out on NBC's cable affiliates because I bet it will get replayed!

And you're right - it just makes it so much harder for legit doctors and us CPP's. There has to be a balance, and there's not. One of these stories and everyone thinks that's all we want the drugs for.

Ok, I'll stop! Don't want to go off on a rant!

PaLady

Boxerlover
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   Posted 4/30/2009 6:02 PM (GMT -7)   

Sorry I can't be more specific, but the Florida Senate has approved a bill and in that bill it states the ability to close all stand alone pain clinics not related to hospitals and that the docs must have a fellowship in pain management, not only or just anesthesiology. I guess the bill is now in the house as it has passed the Senate.  This is very scary for us pain patients and is setting a horrible precedent.

Melissa


skeye
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   Posted 4/30/2009 7:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow! That is just horrifying! It is no wonder that we legitimate CP suffers have such a hard time finding adequate treatment. It sounds like things will only continue to get worse.
What happened to the hippocratic oath that these doctors took?

Skeye

Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 4/30/2009 8:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Pete,

This is very scary. I can't go there now. Life is calling.

My husband said he'd google it and see what he can get.

One protection that many of us have is our MRI's, ruptured discs, impinged
nerves, scolios, etc.

I do believe there are people who have pain who do not show any signs...
like Fibromyalgia. The doctors have said that I have that as one of my
problems. I don't have it. They're nuts. It's ok that they say it, it doesn't
get in the way of my diagnoses and treatment.

Pamela

White Beard
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   Posted 4/30/2009 10:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Pete I googled it and the first thing that came up "NBC News Broward County Fl. Pain Clinic Capitol of the country" so I double clicked it and it brought me to this post on Healing Well! I never did find the video clip that you mentioned!

White Beard
  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


angel8
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   Posted 5/1/2009 2:50 AM (GMT -7)   

Pete I knew this was coming when only last week I think it was I posted about the drug raids here in KY and you and I went back and forth and talked some of this on that thread.

I had heard everything you were saying about the newspapers and the cash only and no tracking system in FL. from the local news here after the 29 arrests here for bringing oxy-c and zanax etc. into Ky from Florida.

Seems these folks here were being backed by drug dealers and getting an all expense paid trip to Florida and even given the money and fake scans to take with them. They were recruiting dozens each month to make the drive and paying them as well as paying all expenses for their family to take a mini-vacation to Florida and all they had to do was go to a clinic get the meds and bring them back for these dealers.

I forget how many millions of dollars in street value that bust made. It was horrific and then I came on here the next day I think and see someone posting from Florida who cant get PM.

Sad to say it isnt just Florida as I know several folks or have met several more that go to border states such as Indiana,Ohio and tenn to obtain meds and bring them back. I think what they are doing is getting them from their regular Docs here at home and then going out to border state to obtain more and in the past without the tracking systems being nationwide they dont catch it.

Everytime in years past there has been a big blow-up over illegal obtaining of meds or unusually high numbers of ODs associated with the very meds that give us a semblence of life it is us that pays the piper for it. the legit Docs get scared,the pharmacies get more watchful,and the DEA is on a rampage and taking down Docs and clinics they shouldnt be even looking at on any other day.

Here we go again.


modelmaker
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   Posted 5/1/2009 10:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Pete and all,

It burns me up that here in the midwest it is so difficult to find a doc who will write scripts for opiates any more and then you take your script to the pharm. and they treat you like an addict! I have been told in front of others in line that what I want is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE and they don't stock it. It has to be SPECIAL ORDERED and they only order C2s once a week. No exceptions. Youre out of luck if you run out or will run out. Then when the oxycodone shortage hit I heard (again in front of line of people) WE'RE TOO BUSY TO CALL AROUND TO FIND NARCOTCS.! Can you belive the way I've been treated just to survive chronic pain and these idiots in FL can set up essentially sidwalk operations for walk-ins! Where is the DEA when you need them. Making it difficult for legitimate patients to get their meds, that's where. It's easier for them. Oh I off on a rant... I had better stop now before I get edited.

Modelmaker is hurtin today.

shannon1
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   Posted 5/1/2009 11:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Pete , im in miami, and know all to well what u are talking about. It's down right scary!

White Beard, Search NBC News with Brian Williams, u will find a msmbc website, find the latest news, and scrolldown to find the story.
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White Beard
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   Posted 5/1/2009 6:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Shannon1

Thank-You I found it! WoW what an eye opener! I had no idea there was such a problem, I guess I kind of live a shelted life, out in the corn fields of central Illinois! But this does have long reaching effects, as it is will eventrually trickle down, and it will make it more difficult for us with legit Chronic Pain!.

White Beard
  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


Tirzah
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   Posted 5/1/2009 7:37 PM (GMT -7)   
White Beard,
I think some of the reason we don't have this issue as much anymore in Illinois is because now there are state laws that mandate tracking controlled substances state-wide. I know 10 years ago when I was in school in "out in the cornfields of Illinois" there were plenty of pharmacies doing exactly that. In fact, I lost one roommate to a long-term rehab facility b/c she got caught up in that kind of a scheme after a broken arm, got addicted & ended up taking so many viocidin, zanex & oxy (all written by a doctor & filled by a licensed pharmacy -- though not in the proper way -- "her" doctor never saw her & the pharmacy filled ungodly quantities of these drugs for very long periods of time. ANY reasonable pharmacist ought to know that there is absolutely no medical reason for a patient to be prescribed 30 viodin a day + 10 zanex a day + 8-12 oxy's a day) that she could not even get out of bed to get dressed or eat or study or anything except to take her illegitimate prescriptions & to drive (how scary is that!) to the pharmacy each week to pick up more. When she would run out of a month's supply in 3 days, they'd just fill her with some more. It was absolutely insane. Thank goodness we got something right with tracking these meds. There are still a lot of problems to contend with (especially with pharmacies here in Chicago refusing to stock C2's b/c of how often they are stolen), but there is some progress being made.


Pete,
I so hope that they can get things turned around in FL. Perhaps you can write your congresspeople & ask them to better monitor these shifty organizations. You're right that someone ought to get on top of monitoring those doctors/pharmacies before people start over-generalizing & cutting off services to legitimate medical providers.

White Beard
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   Posted 5/1/2009 8:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Frances_2008

You are absolutely right about that! There was a doctor and pain clinic actually not a pain clinic in the right ful sense, because he was a orthopedic doctor anyway it was not far from where I live and they got shut down, I don't know what ever happened to him, but it was in all our papers! I am thinking that was 10 or 12 years ago! I do agree with you about the tracking, I know my pain doctor is strict, and you have to give the urine sample every time you go for a refill, but he is such a good caring doctor, and I am glad he keeps things on the up and up so to speak!

Frances so you are familiar with my "out in the corn fields area of illinois"?  wink It does have its good qualities and not so good qualities!

White Beard


  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV

Post Edited (White Beard) : 5/1/2009 9:11:05 PM (GMT-6)


Hello~Kitty
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   Posted 5/1/2009 10:30 PM (GMT -7)   
We had a doctor here in my town that was literally selling scheaduled prescriptions out of the back of his truck. Even one time my dad's friend went in to this doctor (before the dr got busted) for a problem that had nothng to do with pain, I beleive she was just ill with some virus, and he asked her if she needed anything for pain, and she told him that she wasnt in pain, and he kept asking her if she was sure she didnt need anything, and she got mad and never went back to him. I also was seeing one of these pill pushers, she was my first doctor I was seeing for chronic pain, and was too dumb to realize what she was doing, it wasnt til she started acting all fishy a few years later when I caught on, and she got in huge trouble, I'm even embarrassed to tell anyone she use to be my doctor because whenever I mention her name EVERYONE knew about her, everyone knew she was the one to go to for pain meds. I dont know why I didnt realize this earleir, but I was very new to the chronic pain scene and didnt know what a doctor was suppose to and not suppose to be doing, I'm just glad that I know way better know.

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   Posted 5/4/2009 1:42 AM (GMT -7)   
That was a great clip. Last week my pm dr told me that the DEA will call drs offices prentending to be a patient and will ask how much the dr charges for a cash office call. My drs staff tell those callers they are not a cash accepting office and hang up! She told me something I found very interesting and it surprising to me. She says the DEA goes after PCP's and pain clinics more for the prescriptions than anything else. She said the record keeping by the drs is horrible and this is why they get into so much trouble. She said believe me when I tell you this, I am on a first name basis with those guys, they visit me quite frequently. She said the reason for her visits is she writes more narcotic scripts than any dr in the state of Tx. But, she says she and her staff know the proper way to keep record of their scripts so they audit her and give her a thumbs up & leave. She says when she gets medical records in on patients from other drs ithat has been referred to her its unbelievable how mismananged they are on script record keeping these offices are and thats exactly what the DEA is looking for.... Its always on the news here of drs & clinic getting busted.....Susie

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