"VERY SEVERE" Sleep Apnea

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Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/5/2009 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Test (paper test) was done last Thursday.

Then I took a unit home so I could hook myself up Thursday night to Friday.

Results came back today, and the person calling me stayed overtime in order to catch me.

'"Very Urgent" that we start this tonight.' Meaning the sleep mask. They want to tell me at the end of the day Tuesday, and Tuesday night send someone out to set up the stuff for ogygen tank and mask.

Cripes. I didn't realize they would work that quickly but the nurse on the phone acted like it was a real emergency it was so bad. She was short of breath and made it truly sound like a medical emergency.

Can Sleep Apnea be that much of a medical emergency that they rush out at night to set it up without actually testing me or training me on it or anything? I mean, I've never been in to sleep and be hooked up for them (just took a unit home one night). So, she then sets me up to have a 'partial night, split sleep study' done as soon as 2 sleeping sections are available.

Anyone with sleep apnea shed light on the big emergency this nurse believes is going on?

Any help would be appreciated.

(Sorry, only posted here because there were other such posts. I couldn't find an area to post in.)
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   Posted 5/5/2009 4:43 PM (GMT -7)   
My husband had severe sleep apnea. His oxygen saturation levels would drop so low that his doctor explained it could cause permanent damage. Also, he would stop breathing for as long as 90 seconds. That was causing his heart to act strangely [odd EKGs]. His pulmonary doctor told him he was at very high risk for having a sudden cardiac stoppage because of the sleep apnea. In the end, it is believed that his years of untreated sleep apnea was a contributor to his sudden death at age 58. He had only started using a CPAP machine nightly 5 months before his death.

Does that help?
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   Posted 5/5/2009 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't have it myself, but my g-ma does. Sleep apnea means that you stop breathing several times a night. Sometimes it's just for a couple seconds, sometimes it's for a couple of minutes. If the brain goes 3 minutes or longer consecutively without oxygen, there is a possibility of irreversible damage. It is not terribly common for someone's sleep apnea to be that severe, but that may be what's happening with you. My g-ma was going 45 sec to 1:15 without breathing & it was quite concerning to the doctors. She is also obese & not in great health, so that compounded the issue. I do know that her apnea got worse when she was on oxycontin, so perhaps it might be worthwhile for you to discuss the issue with your PM to see if your meds might be contributing at all to the problem. Sometimes they can make a simple switch & the apnea can go from severe to moderate or moderate to mild.

My dad sometimes goes even longer than that without breathing due to his sleep apnea, but he is a healthy weight & in good health, so it was not so concerning to the doctors. Plus, most of the times when he stops breathing it is only for several seconds.

Then again, it's always possible that the nurse is just not very educated & that you are only slightly abnormal. I can relate to that b/c I've been losing a lot of my hair & went to see the dermatologist. She called me up with my blood test results & said I needed to get in to see an endocrinologist immediately b/c my TSH levels were "very high". Come to find out I only scored a 6. I've had my TSH in the past come back with 17, 28 & 25, so a 6 seems pretty darn good to me. Yes, it's a bit outside of the healthy range, but her insistence that I get into a specialist within a week to 10 days was overly-dramatic.

Hope everything's okay with you. From what I've seen, those machines are not pleasant. Sometimes they will let you rent them for a while before buying the unit. A friend of mine did that & then went to her dentist to have one of those special retainer things made. She says it's much more comfortable than sleeping with a mask.

good luck with everything,
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   Posted 5/5/2009 8:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Tony,
White Beard has a lot of experience with sleep apnea, and recently posted a detailed response on another thread (but I can't remember which thread!). I'm sure he'll be along to give you some guidance.

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   Posted 5/5/2009 10:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Tony

First off Welcome to the CPAP adventure, and on becoming a Hose Head! Yes Sleep Apnea can be extremely dangerous, note "can be" lets compare it to somebody putting a plastic bag over your head and holding it there untill you start to panic and struggle and start gasping for air, and then the person takes it off of you, lets you take a few breaths and then does all over again, and lets say the person does this to you a minimun of 30 times an hour (note I said MINIMUM! of 30 times and hour, because severe sleep apnea is considered having an apnea a minimum of 30 times and hour) and having that done to you every hour, all night long! That is what your body is experiencing with severe sleep apnea! And if that bag is held over your head long enough your Oxygen saturations in your blood may drop, and if it drops to low, and or for to long a time it can kill off brain cells and it can cause you to have Heart Attack and or a Stroke in your sleep! Are you getting the picture? Not Good Huh? Some of us with Sleep Apnea besides having a XPAP machine (either CPAP, BiPAP, or and ASV machine) along with amask also have to have supplemental Oxygen, I have an Oxygen Concentrator which is set to give me 3 Liters per minute of O2 along with my VPAP Adapt SV machine!

So they are setting you up with a Split sleep study? With a split study, the first half of the night will be a normal sleep study, to find out how bad your sleep apnea really is and what type of sleep apnea your having, Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) the most common where your throat collapses on its self and blocks the oxygen from getting to the lungs ( think of the throat as being a fire hose and when there is no pressure it collapses flat) , Central Sleep Apneas (CSA) for what ever reason your brain periodicly quits telling you to breath)( pain meds can often cause Central apneas, as well as Cervical Spinal Cord Injuries and Congestive Heart Failure to name a few) Or Complex Sleep Apnea or Mixed Sleep Apnea (MA) a combination of OSA and CSA.
 
 Anyway after they get enough information they will come in and put a mask on you and hook you up to a machine, and tell you to go back to sleep! This is the Titration study to find out what they need to do to get rid of the Apneas! Then through their controls, as you sleep they will adjust the pressure until they reduce or eliminate the sleep apneas that your having! If they can not get enough data the first half of the study, they might just do it all night and have you come back for the titration study. Actually that is the better way of doing it because they have more time to get a more accurate picture of your sleep! And then on the second study (titration study) they have more time to get your pressure adjusted just right! You might even want to ask them about doing a two night study, as they can be more accurate and better for you, especially if you have a difficult time getting to sleep. During both studies You will be wired up,  think of EKG and EEG all in one! They will put wires (electrodes) on your head (EEG) wires, electrodes on your chest and legs(EKG)
and a sensor in or under your nose and a strap sensor around your chest.all the wires are hooked up in a harnass, and then when you go to bed they will connect up the harnass and then they willl  watch you with a night video camera, and they can also hear you and you will be monitored all night long as you sleep! ( I have had 6 of these done in 18 months I have severe Complex sleep apnea)

If I can help you in anyway just E-mail me! Oh yea if you get any advance notice of when your sleep study is, then try and make sure you are extra tired ( no naps during the day) Also these studies can detect other sleep problems PLMD periodic linb movement disorder akin to Restless lLeg Syndrome, and a host of other sleep problems!
Good Luck to You
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  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV

Post Edited (White Beard) : 5/5/2009 11:22:52 PM (GMT-6)


PAlady
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   Posted 5/5/2009 10:48 PM (GMT -7)   
White Beard,
How on earth does anyone sleep with all those electrodes and leads and people watching and a different bed and CP, etc, etc, etc,??? Do they give you any meds to help with sleep?

PaLady

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   Posted 5/5/2009 11:07 PM (GMT -7)   
PALady
For some it is difficult and some times some people can't sleep, and they will have to come back and their Doctor will give them something to help them sleep, or to relax. Some people have an even harder time with the titration study, sleeping with a mask on and with the air blowing in their face. Some even have panic attacks because of it and their doctors have to give them meds so they can calm down and tolerate having the mask. That is why it is important to be extra tired for the study.

Tony I would also recommend bringing your own favorite pillow anything to make you more comfortable during the night!
 
Over on the Sleep Apnea Support Forum I have a picture posted of me with my mask on that I modified. I had problems with the nasal pillows leaking so I made a modification to the mask and posted it for others. I am White Beard over there too!

White Beard


  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV

Post Edited (White Beard) : 5/6/2009 12:12:46 AM (GMT-6)


Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/6/2009 6:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you, everyone, for the great information.

I am unable to find a 'Sleep Apnea Support Forum', which is why I posted here.

Could someone please help me to find it? Pretty please with sugar on it?
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Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/6/2009 7:01 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm starting to think that the rig I got last night was an emergency rental kinda situation.

It is about 2 feet tall, 18" wide and 12" deep. Sounds like a jet aircraft readying for takeoff; my wife wants to know if there is a central tower or do they use individual local towers...

Anyway, this has to be a temporary unit. And it must be that I'll be contacted for training and a marketing gig on purchasing my very own oxygenizing unit (the rental on this one is $345/mo) and mask.

Thanks, once again, for the info. I am constantly amazed at the community building that is just a way of life to the people who attend here. If we had just a slight percentage of what goes on here spread throughout our once great country it would soon be great again. It is, truly, the building blocks of our nation, this small sense of community that starts in small pockets like this that made us #1 in the world - without question.
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White Beard
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   Posted 5/6/2009 8:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Tony
That sounds like an oxygen concentrator. Does it go "whoosh" "whoosh" "whoosh" all night long? Is it blue and has a small thin oxygen tobe going from it to some nasal prongs? I bet they put you on Oxygen temporarily till you have your sleep study, I was thinking about that, but unless they put you on an Auto Pap they wouldn't know what to put the pressure at for a CPAP machine! So they probalby jusat put you on Oxygen for right now! Anyway try the ww thing then dot apneasupport dot org and look for forum and there you are. E-Mail if you want.

White Beard
  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/6/2009 9:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Right you are, White Beard! And I did send you an e-mail last night, but no response yet.

I got a call today, and things were clarified greatly.

That call, and the ensuing machine/etc, were indeed based on a short-term situation.

Tonight I go for the 'Split-Night' test.

I am being 'short-listed' so that I can get in without waiting a month for a planned appointment. My oxygen levels only got down to 73%, but that was 'up to' 88 times an hour.

So, rather than make me wait for an appointment time later, they 'found' times to get me in right away.

I'm all set and 'pre-registered', and so is my pillow!
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Post Edited (TonyMcGuire) : 5/6/2009 10:12:24 AM (GMT-6)


White Beard
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   Posted 5/6/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Tony

That is excellent news I am really happy for you! I got your E-mail, and I replied to it. My O2 sats were down in the 60's I would not be surprised if you have Central Apneas or Complex Sleep Apnea, because of the pain meds. Anyway When you go in tonight tell them that you want a copy of both the summary and the full report of both the sleep studies. By law here in the states they have to give you copies of the reports, the summary is usually around 2 or 3 pages and the full report with graphs is usually 5 to 7 pages sometimes more! Also tell them you want to talk with your sleep doctor before they write the script and order you a machine. It could save you much heart ache in the end. There is nothing worse than have a machine thrown at you that your not happy with! I know because I was very naive and uneducated when I got my first machine, but my last one I told the Doctor what machine I wanted and even gave him the Model number and he wrote the script for that exact machine, I then had to fight with my DME ( Medical Supplier) to get them to order it, but I got the machine I wanted! If you are having lots of Central Apneas, or more or as many than Obstructive apneas, then you should probably be on ASV treatment, as that is the only really good treatment available for Central and Complex sleep apnea!
I do wish you well on tonights adventure!
Good Luck Tony

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  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


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   Posted 5/6/2009 1:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Tony,
I think I'll hook myself up to my TENS unit electrodes and leads when I go to bed in your honor! smilewinkgrin

Seriously, I hope it goes well tonight, and your doctors get all the information they need!

Sweet Dreams!

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   Posted 5/6/2009 1:58 PM (GMT -7)   
PALady

We could all TENS together tonight in Tonys honnor! But I absolutely refuse to put the TENS eltrodes on my scalp! NO WAY! smhair
Good Luck Tony
 
White Beard


  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/6/2009 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
C o o l !
A T E N S P A R T Y !

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   Posted 5/6/2009 3:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Nice picture Tony How did you do it?
 
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   Posted 5/6/2009 3:54 PM (GMT -7)   
A TENS party! ROFL! tongue

White Beard I've never tried them on my head. Makes me wonder, though! smilewinkgrin

Mostly they end up on my butt!!! smhair

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   Posted 5/6/2009 8:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Best of luck with your sleep study Tony! There has been some talk about me seeing a sleep specialist (although I'm pretty sure the bulk of my problems are just due to pain & the rest is that I am a lousy sleeper to begin with), and the thought of a sleep study terrifies me. I don't know how I would sleep hooked up to everything & knowing that someone is watching me! Especially since i barely sleep as it is. But I'm sure you'll do just fine! Hey, and if you were hooked up to the oxygen last night then you already got one night's "practice." :-)

Skeye

ps - A TENS unit on the head... Can you say ouch? Or maybe "ahh" is a more appropriate word! When I have used TENS units in the past, I had a tendency to turn them up as high as I could tolerate. That could be quite an experience on the head!

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   Posted 5/6/2009 9:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Skeye
They gave me a tens unit back in the late 90's 97 or 98 and I was working on a med surge unit in the hospital, and if I had the electrodes on my back, and every time I walked by the a patients room that had heart telemetery on and if the patient was throwing PVC's it it would jolt the tens unit and the surge would actually make me jump! Honest it was crazy one of the other nurses didn't believe me, so she tried it and sure enough, it would really give a shock! So I had to quit wearing it at work, also we had a bag phone the precursor to the cell phone it was big and bulky and was about the size of a very large book, anyway if somebody called you and the phone rang and it was close to you the tens would shock the daylights out of you I mean if your foot was on the gas you would be going a hundred mile an hour in nothing flat. It would just jolt the heck out of you! The tens unit has been on the shelve in the closet every since! I can't even begin to imagine having it on one head your right skeye that could be quite an experience!! smhair
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PALady which aaaa TENS where? smilewinkgrin


  I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/7/2009 6:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Went in for my 'split-study' sleep study last night. Slept 3 hours, woke and got mask put on and slept another 3.5 hours.

Results? "I'm pretty sure they'll want to bring you back for a different type of study."

Which indicated to me the direction was "ASV". "Yes, pretty much."

Dual multiple complex. "Well, something like that."

I couldn't narrow him down. "We can't say much; the doctors get irate if they hear that technicians are trying to do their job."

So, it sounds like the more expensive version of machines, as WhiteBeard described.

Good news? They found it, and can correct it. Moreover, I 'probably' won't need compressed oxygen, so the extra noise will go away. The bad news? My meds are probably interfering and causing some of the issues. And the 'fix' is a lifetime of using that machine and mask.

Remember that you guys. Your choice of meds can cause or interfere with sleep apnea. As your doctor whether your choice of narcotics might interfere with your sleep pattern(s). It would have been good if there were an instruction manual on what to do when getting into all this stuff; I guess it is getting written here in the form of posts :)

Easy Pain Day to everyone.
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   Posted 5/7/2009 7:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tony, I saw that you have severe sleep Apnea.  I did too, turns out it was related to a pain med I was on.  the initial study in the hospital showed breathing stoppage of 256 times in 6 hours.  I was on a CpAP the next day.  I hated it !  I finally went to my pain doctor, he took me off Metadone and the sleep apnea resolved.  Perhaps, just from my experience you could ask your doc if your sleep apnea is med related?  Hope it helps.  Scary stuff to stop breathing in your sleep.  I was terrified .  thoughts are with you. God Bless, Sue

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   Posted 5/7/2009 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tony

Glad you made it through the night! Yep the pain med can do it but it is not only the pain meds, allot of things can cause central apneas, allot of neurological disorders, cervical spinal cord injuries, people with heart problems, and some people just have them with no known cause! And as for Obstructive sleep apneas OSA it was thought that only over weight middle aged men got it, WRONG!! now they are finding anyone can have it, children, young under weight females or males, young or old, big or small, fat or skinny, everyone and anyone can have OSA!
Yea Tony sound like they will have you back for an ASV titration study. I will E-mail you about the best and quietest ASV machine ( it is the one I use) listed on the bottom with my meds. Now you will have an new sleeping partner, your wife is going to have to share you with a machine! If you snore your wife might actually be happy to have you on the machine, as that goes away to!

Good Luck to You

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   Posted 5/7/2009 8:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Sue.

Without Methadone, I become a screaming, whimpering ragdoll of wasted cells.

Without Methadone, since there are no substitutes for *me* for the pain, I would have force 10 pains 24/7.

Unless the pain doctor comes up with another substitute for Methadone. He hasn't found one so far. And while I cannot guarantee he has looked real well, I can guarantee that he has poked and prodded me as if he has looked.
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   Posted 5/7/2009 9:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Tony,
Glad you made it through the night, with all the electrodes and such. I'm amazed you could sleep at all. I just can't imagine it! Do they have a really great mattress for us CP folk?

I'm sure some meds can affect sleep apnea although I'm no expert, but my guess (and it's just that, a guess) is that so can untreated night pain. So we're all stuck in this Catch 22 and have to do the best we can. We would all make great jugglers!

PaLady

Tony McGuire
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   Posted 5/7/2009 2:05 PM (GMT -7)   
PAlady,

I suspect you are right about more than one thing affecting sleep apnea. No doubter lots, and people, unfortunately, have no clue what's happening with their bodies.
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