I feel like a criminal..... very upset

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Draka
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   Posted 6/30/2009 12:14 PM (GMT -7)   
So today I had my follow up appointment with my PM Dr...... we discussed stronger longer lasting meds..... again... taking pains meds is new to me.... I was very, very resistant to taking any and all medication... I now realize it is something I must do in order to relieve my pain symptoms.

My PM Dr prescribed me 15mg of Roxycodone 3X per day.... doubt I'll take 3 a day but we'll see.....

So I go to CVS to get the script filled and am told because of the DEA indirectly CVS does not have them in stock and sends me to this tiny pharmacy right down the street.... I am with my husband and not in my own truck where I have my license (my husband drove me in his car to my Dr's appointment).... CVS has all my info and I never had to show my license before to drop off or pick up a prescription so I wasn't even thinking.... fast forward.... I am at the new pharmacy and ask the woman if they had my script in stock... she eyeballs me.... no smile no nothing..... walks over to the pharmacist behind the counter and asks him.... he says.... yes... we have that in stock.... she asks for my license and I say "shoot" let me get it... I will literally be back in 5 minutes (I live right down the street)

OK.. I admit forgetting my license looked kinda fishy.... again I am new at this and again I do all my refills at CVS....

I leave the script with her so they can call my Dr check it out and do whatever.... 5 minutes I am back.... there is a new guy behind the counter in a NY Yankees tee shirt he calls me over I give him my info and he is staring me dead in the eye asking me questions..... yes... at this point I am nervous.... I was never treated like this before.... he now tells me they DON"T have the meds in stock and they will be getting them in.... come back in an hour.

I walk away from the counter almost to the door and he calls me my first name to come back to the counter..... I thought how strange.. almost like a test.... he tells me he forgot that he needs a fingerprint..... OK A WHAT?

OK I understand people abuse the system and they have every right to check up on people.... but in all honesty it's how they go about it.... I have a valid prescription from a Dr.... I do not choose this lifestyle.... I wish there was nothing wrong with my neck.... I wish I didn't have to take medication.... right now I don't even want the darn script..... I am going to tell them too when I do to pick it up.... it's just not right!!!

Is this really what everyone goes through.... I didn't do anything wrong but feel like crying....

cry

TroubleMaker
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   Posted 6/30/2009 12:37 PM (GMT -7)   
ohhhh been there and bought that same dang ticket when I started having to take more meds.  Coming from someone who for most of my live fused if I had to take anything.  I'd rather have a headache from h e doulble hockey sticks than take anything.  Well that all changed really quick when my back started acting up and I had no choice.  Not only was I having to take pain meds but it made my blood pressure sky-rocket.  Wonderful... I cried for 3 days.  Now, 4 years later and one surgery I'm still on the blood pressure (oh sorry 2 blood pressure) pain meds, birth control,  naproxin (sp) pain meds, and now ..... drum roll.... diabetes meds LOL.... just shoot me LOL just kidding.  I go in now with my head held HIGH and dare someone to say something.  It's not the life I wanted but dang it I'm still here and not in a wheel chair so they can just BITE my big butt LOL....
 
Do not let them get to you.  You have a reason for having to take the meds, and if someone says something, tell them either mind their own business or call my doctor if you have a problem with me getting meds.
 
Draka... I wish you luck and hope the meds help... dont cry... get TOUGH hehehehe
 
Trouble smilewinkgrin
 
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 WOOO HOOOO thats it for now!!!!!!!!!


Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 6/30/2009 1:10 PM (GMT -7)   
  
      Dear Draka,
 
     *Warmest Huggs*
 
     I am floored. I dont know what to say. I would never go to a stranger for things I put in my body... I can't believe they told you to go elsewhere. I would be taking a second look at my Doctor if Mr. *** refused to fill medications from him/her. Big red flagg. I've known Mr.*** over a decade now. I have had to wait for medicine to come in.. But just a few days wait, and they had asked if the medicine was needed right away.  I wouldnt allow someone to touch my perscriptions who isnt in appriate attire and badges to fully represent the pharmacy. If something was tampered with I would want to know the names of the ones touching m.. Oh my gosh. Too much crazyness. Those were strangers, delving in to your life *shivers* Figner prints? Did they ask for blood type too? .... isnt your finger prints on file with your local depeartment of transportation anyway? Mine are... That is all too much! Im so sorry that it happened to you... It all smells fishy, and Id remove myself from that whole mess. Seek a more reputable pharmacy.
 
*huggs*
dani


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And sorry I could not travel both  
And be one traveler, long I stood

Post Edited (Dani Henson) : 7/1/2009 12:36:10 AM (GMT-6)


PAlady
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   Posted 6/30/2009 1:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Draka,
In part I want to sadly say welcome to the world of chronic pain. BUT fingerprinting? I have never been fingerprinted. Now I would be asking about what law there is in your state (can't be federal or I'd be doing it and so would everyone here) that requires fingerprinting for roxycodone. I've never heard that on this forum, either, but we'll see if someone else pops up. As far as the look and questions and all that kind of stuff - yep. Yet your pharmacy should know you. I use CVS (or used to unti my insurance required i use the hospital pharmacy but that's all ending now...another story) and I loved my people at CVS. I considered them part of my health care team. Is your CVS in a high crime area? That's the only reason I would think of that maybe they've had a lot of robberies and decided not to stock certain meds, but I'm not sure they can do that.

Dani is right there's something amiss here somewhere. We all start to feel like criminals and what you need to do it come here and vent, get some support, take a deep breath and calmly but assertively begin asking some questions. I'd start with the head pharmacist at your CVS. I'd be very pleasant, and acting very innocent and curious (which you are) about why they don't fill these scripts, as you've been a customer of theirs all along. If it's a matter of having to wait a day or two to get them in, it sounds like that wouldn't have been a problem for you. You are NOT a criminal. For heaven's sake you're a competitive tennis player. Lock into that fighter in you, but just don't come off mean or aggressive cuz that just gets us labeled even more.

It's pathetic, isn't it?

I had never experienced any of this until I took a bad fall a few years ago and started down the long road to failed surgeries and now CP. I'm nearly 60, have always prided myself on a life of honesty and integrity, but have found through this process that treatment from some people and providers has changed. Raised eyebrows and such. It's a lousy,lousy feeling.

PaLady

Draka
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   Posted 6/30/2009 2:48 PM (GMT -7)   
OK... I'm back with my meds and feel better about the whole ordeal.... just to clarify.... the pharmacy manager at the CVS I normally go to explained why she had to send me to another pharmacy.... if you type:

Roxycodone + shortage + FL + CVS

into Google you will see why she had to send me away.... it has something to do with the EDA only allotting the drug company to make a certain amount of the drug.... the CVS pharmacist explained she didn't know when they would be getting more of the drug in stock.... ummm.... way to go big government.... limit drugs that some of us need to operate on a daily basis.

I live in Boca Raton, FL... it's a very beautiful area with a large elderly population... the other pharmacy is a small family run business... it wasn't that they were shady... I just found it odd they were all not in white coats.... and that they made me feel bad.....

So I go back in to pick up my script I was all prepared.... so was my husband.... the pharmacist calls me over and tells me the whole time he cannot get a hold of my Dr's office to confirm the script..... he asks if I could call them.... wait what?

I pull out my iPhone and call my Dr's office and they pick up right away.... I explain the pharmacist needs to confirm my script and tell them he will be calling the office right back.... he goes (the pharmacist) I'll just talk to them from your phone.... WAIT WHAT?

You just took my fingerprint and now you are confirming with someone I called from my phone.... interesting security checks...

After the confirmation the tide changed with the entire place... they were all so nice to me!

The entire experience stinks though.... the stigma is bad... one cannot fully understand unless they go through it themselves... I myself never imagined.... now I know... education is key... gonna check out the whole fingerprinting state law deal now...


Thank you to everyone.... I am learning so much here!

PAlady
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   Posted 6/30/2009 6:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Please let us know about the fingerprinting issue. As I said, I've never seen anyone on this forum mention that, athough we get lots of other hassles.

And yes, I forgot, there is a shortage of some of the shorter acting drugs - oxocodone IR (instant release). But I'm surprised CVS isn't managing that better, and that should have been explained clearly to you right up front.

You may want to work with whichever pharmacy you'll be getting your pain meds from (and if you have a pain contract with your PMS you likely have to use the same pharmacy - so be sure to tell your doc if you have to go to another pharmacy due to shortages!) to see how their supplies are. You might ask them the best way to call to see if they're short rather than finding out at the last minute.

Yes, sadly, there's lots to learn. I hope the medication helps!

PaLady

wolftrades
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   Posted 6/30/2009 6:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I live in Hollywood Fl and take 300 mg of MS CONTIN daily with up to 120 mg of oxycodone for bt...I have 3 levels of disc herniations, spinal stenosis and facet hypertrophy along with other problems
...I use a pharmacy that knows me for over 5 years but a few months ago they were opt of the 30 mg Roy so my Doc called a local pharmacy that had it in stock and yes, I had to get fingerprinted. Since then, my regular pharmacy has had them in stock.

We need to write the president. Chronic pain is an issue that no one wants to discuss...and the od death of Mr. Jackson does not help our cause. He needed pain meds no doubt but demerol is a poor choice for chronic pain...how about stories about cp ers like me who can contribute to society despite severe pain...nope...it isn't sexy enough

PAlady
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   Posted 6/30/2009 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Wolftrades,
I definitely agree with you. I don't want to hijack this thread, but I saw someone speaking on the MJ issue from an organization call the Society for a Drug Free America (or something like that), and I thought - yea, but what about the proper, appropriate medical use of medications??? I just wish the stories would have some balance to them. I only heard one doctor speaking about the difficulties he had finding balance because chronic pain was important to treat, too. But that little comment fades into the background.

Sorry, Draka, to get a little sidetracked, but I'm curious since it's now two of you who got fingerprinted - were you fingerprinted by your original pharmacy? Because if you weren't, then is it just an optional thing? Can a pharmacy just opt to do that? This is getting crazy, although I know I saw a news story and Pete has talked on this forum about the problems with drug diversion in south Florida, and I don't think Florida has the monitoring in place that some of our states do. In other words, when I get my scripts in PA there's a computerized system that helps monitor and prevent pharmacy hopping. I wouldn't mind a federal level system that did that, and then we should be able to use any pharmacy we want (like who has the best deal, for those of us without insurance!) and they would know we're not getting multiple scripts filled.

Still, the fingerprinting thing is bothersome. That does treat you like a criminal!

PaLady

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   Posted 6/30/2009 8:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with you PALady the fingerprinting is bothersome and I wonder if it's just
something that Florida has implemented or if other states are doing it as well...
Sorry you had to go through all that Draka! My doctor always rights down on my
prescriptions what my pain meds are for and so far no problems from Kroger's
anyways, hope you have no more problems Draka...
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bluejet2
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   Posted 6/30/2009 8:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Draka:

I have never been fingerprinted when filling my scripts, but a few years ago, I had a CVS in my area (upstate NY) refuse to fill my Oxycontin - they said that they had a conscientous objection to the amount that I was on which was 80mg 3 x's a day. They were not my normal pharmacy, my pharmacy was out of it, so I wound up waiting until they got it in stock. I told my doctor about it and he said that it was against the law for them not to fill a valid script like that.

A lot of pharmacies in my area choose not to even stock Oxycontin of any kind. I've had an intrathecal pump for quite a while now, but when I was on it, only 3 pharmacies in my area even carried it.

I'm sorry for the way you were treated.

Lorie

fatherjohn
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   Posted 7/1/2009 12:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Draka, I want to congradulate you for handling this situation so well. Many of us have had issues at the "Drug Store". It does make us feel like people look down on us but we can show them that we are not who they think we are. After my fusion surgery last year, I had to change to a new pharmacy. I tried to explain that my meds are billed to a 3rd party on an out of state work comp claim. The pharmistwas so rude and condenscending. I bit my tongue and allowed her to handle it her way. I went back and always treated her with respect. Now when I go to the pharmacy, I am treated like family there. They call me by name and even ask how I am doing. I realize that on any given day any of us can have a bad day. We can all do something that makes someone else feel bad. In your case, they did not have the right but it appears that you handled it right with integrity. To me, that means you win. You did not lower yourself to the level of a clerk who was a jerk. Oh how we want to let loose sometimes but I applaud you for your actions.

straydog
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   Posted 7/1/2009 12:56 AM (GMT -7)   

Draka,

Never let anyone make you feel bad for needing medication because of a health issue. We do have so many stigmas attached being CP patients. No, you are not a criminal either. Once in awhile my regular pharmacy does not have my Dilaudid and they will send me across the street to CVS. My pharmacist will call them to see if they have it in stock or not.  A couple of times I have been given the"look" by the tech. I just ignore that person totally and chalk it up to ignorance on their part.

Also, in order for your pain medication to work effectively, its important to take it as prescribed by your dr. I know you are resistant to the whole idea, we all were in the beginning of this process. But just taking the medication here and there will not be all that effective. Somtimes we get a few side effects but these will not last long, the body just has to get use to it.

I have not heard of the finger printing either. Not sure, I may have some issues on that one. Take care and just remember you need this medication because of a health issue. Keep that head up high.


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Draka
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   Posted 7/1/2009 5:58 AM (GMT -7)   
bluejet2 said...
Hi Draka:

I have never been fingerprinted when filling my scripts, but a few years ago, I had a CVS in my area (upstate NY) refuse to fill my Oxycontin - they said that they had a conscientous objection to the amount that I was on which was 80mg 3 x's a day. They were not my normal pharmacy, my pharmacy was out of it, so I wound up waiting until they got it in stock. I told my doctor about it and he said that it was against the law for them not to fill a valid script like that.
A lot of pharmacies in my area choose not to even stock Oxycontin of any kind. I've had an intrathecal pump for quite a while now, but when I was on it, only 3 pharmacies in my area even carried it.
I'm sorry for the way you were treated.
Lorie


Thanks for all the support everyone....

To answer some questions.... NO... I was never asked for a fingerprint at my original pharmacy (CVS) I tried to look up the legality of this online and really didn't come up with anything.... I guess it's like what happens at a bank if you go to cash a check that is not your original bank... they also take a fingerprint on the back of the check... at least in FL they do...

As far as pharmacist refusing to refill prescriptions.... pharmacists, Dr's and health care providers work under a "conscience clause" I believe each state has different variations of the law but.... but service like your refill can be refused if it goes against the beliefs of the persons filling the script.... mostly this relates to birth control but I guess it would relate to pain meds as well.

Not sure if I post a link.... but if you go to the: NCSL (National Conference of State Legislature) and type in Conscience Clause... you can see the laws for each state.

I'm sure most of you know this already....

PAlady
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   Posted 7/1/2009 2:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Draka,
Whatever is going on in Florida with all this fingerprinting! I've never been fingerprinted at a bank or pharmacy or anywhere - at least that I can rermember! Lots of requests of photo I.D., and sometimes two sources of I.D., but never a fingerprint. It sounds like it's some kind of discretionary thing, but I still wonder what's done with the fingerprint? So much info. about us already that seems to be easily accessed. Privacy I guess is another topic!

Yes, I know of the conscience clause, but I thought there have been some recent attempts to limit it. The birth control/morning after pills have been the main way it's used, but gosh it if it starts being used for pain meds that are legitimately prescribed?

Oh, gosh, I can't take much more of this! We need to revolt.

I saw an entire presentation this afternoon on CNN about the issue of addiction to prescription drugs, and all they had one was a recovering addict and an Addictionologist. No "other side" was brought in to detail the appropriate use and NEED for pain meds. We really need to start providing our stories somewhere. We are not criminals. We're just trying to have a life!

Sorry for the rant!

PaLady

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   Posted 7/1/2009 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow! That would certainly make me feel like a criminal as well! I've never heard of finger printing for meds! I hate going to the pharmacy. I feel like I live there (along with my docs' offices) because I usually only get 2 wk scripts since I change dosages & meds so often. Everyone knows me (it doesn't help that I'm the daughter of one of the local docs in the same small town), and they have never been unpleasant to me, but still. I always feel like I get a look & a groan - "not her again!" Of course, my age doesn't help. The head pharmacist there kinda creeps me out too. I ran into him in the grocery store the other week & it was very awkward. I feel like I'd get more respect if they knew what was going on. The pharmacist knows some of it, but only about 5%. Plus, he always thinks that my father is treating me, instead of my doctor, which is absurd because my father refuses to treat family for anything other than something minor like a simple infection or allergy & would certainly never prescribe pain medication to me!! It's just awkward. I hate feeling like I've done something wrong, just because I am trying to live my life in a relatively functional state.

Skeye

Smoochie
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   Posted 7/1/2009 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I am in Ohio and we don't have fingerprints for medications, we can take our meds to any pharmacy no matter where it originated from. The most we have to do here is show our drivers license. And like PAlady, I too have just lost my insurance so finding a pharmacy where I can get my medications the cheepest is of the utmost importance to me. I shop around because funds are limited and the medications are anecessity, I have had to discontinue my Lyrica for Fibromyalgia because the cost here is over 200 dollars for thirty pills and I just cant do it. BUt to give you an idea how it varies here, my Percocet (10mg, 120 pills) cost 189 dollars at CVS but at Marcs its only 82 dollars, big difference, eh! It should not be allowed to jump the price by that much, thats where they should be passing laws, not telling us how much of a product we should take, it is ridiculous, smoking is legal and it is the number one cause of illness in America, they do nothing about that, but further punish the people who have CP by limiting the amount of medication they can get, its very sad!
 


BionicWoman
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   Posted 7/2/2009 6:19 AM (GMT -7)   
I get fingerprinted every time I fill a narcotic script. I live right smack in the middle of Appalachia and it's been that way for years around here, so nobody thinks too much about it.

PAlady
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   Posted 7/2/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow. Wow. and Wow.

That would make me - or anyone - feel like a criminal.

I'm speechless right now. I couldn't imagine how that might feel.

PaLady

Tirzah
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   Posted 7/2/2009 4:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't get what the big deal with fingerprinting is. Mostly the pharmacies here in IL don't do that, but there have been 2 individual Walgreen's stores that I have been to in Chicago that fingerprint. They have a lot of script-swapping/selling/stealing and they only use the prints to give to the police if an investigation is opened. Otherwise, the prints are secured & are not sent out anywhere.

Personally, I feel it has greatly benefited legit patients. Pharmacists were nervous about giving out those meds. Now those pharmacies in areas where the script probs were significant are often avoided by illegitimate users. That means two things: 1) more meds for the rest of us & 2) fewer problems with law enforcement hating on CP patients. I used to get cross-eyes looks from local police when they would see me with my medicine. Now they seem more willing to assume that I have it for legitimate reasons. :)

Well, that's my two cents anyways. I guess I would have a problem if they were running my prints every time I went to the pharmacy, or if they were storing my prescription history in some sort of criminal database, but they're not. I'm not really sure what the difference is between them "only" having my DOB, address, phone number, employer, next of kin, etc. and having all that plus my thumbprint. Maybe I'm missing something, but it just never really bothered me.

peace,
frances
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