What Do The Geniuses Expect Those Who Need Percocet Or Vicodin To Do??

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drjimmy
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   Posted 7/2/2009 3:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok, I understand that some people abuse vicodin/percocet and also take plain tylenol along with it. I realize that in many cases an overdose of Acetaminophen may result and cause major health problems, even death. But taking away Percocet & Vicodin from the numerous people who take the medicines responsibly, as prescribed by their physicians is irresponsible. How about better educating people about the dangers of acetaminophen over use? How about mandatory warnings for all who fill prescriptions for these pain drugs, not to take Tylenol in addition to Percocet & Vicodin? But to take away medicines that allow many people to have some quality of life? That's horrible.
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SpaceButler
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   Posted 7/2/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
They will most likely start prescribing other drugs without the acetominophen for people that need the pain relief of low dose opiates. There are many of these products out right now in the form of pills, syrups, and patches. There will be more options if the FDA ruling goes through.

I don't think anyone who needs those medications has any cause to worry :-)
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   Posted 7/3/2009 3:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes this whole situation is horrible, I've tried tramadol, ultram, lyrica, celebrex and ms coitin and the only
medicine to help me and that I don't have a reaction to is Vicodin HP , I honestly don't like
what the FDA is doing..there have been other threads on this too..This ruling will hurt us that
take these medicines responsibly...
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Jim1969
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   Posted 7/3/2009 5:08 AM (GMT -7)   
What is about Vicoden or Percocet that you think helps you?

Is it the acetaminophen or is it the hydrocodone or oxycodone? If it is the latter both of the medications are available without the acetaminophen additive, and if it is the combo that really works for you there is nothing to say that you can not take a Tylenol along with it.

On the flip side I do understand people's aggravation. A handful of idiots basically OD on medications and cause all sorts of issues for those who don't. Look at what has happened with children's OTC medications.

Smoochie
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   Posted 7/3/2009 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
My doctor (who I saw yesterday) said there is no need to worry (I take Percocet 10mg, 10 pills a day, plus I am on the Fentanyl patch as well) he said that first of all its not going to affect those of us that have long term use of these products, it will reflect on new individuals and ER drug seekers. And the people who are abusing the drugs will do so no matter what they have in them or if it will kill them because they are addicts and it just doesn't matter to them. Any of us who have been taking these meds for a long time have some type of adiction going on. I would not worry about it, just take it day by day, cause we all have enough to worry about!
 


PAlady
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   Posted 7/3/2009 12:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Smoochie,
I am quite surprised your doctor lets you take that much percocet because of the tylenol. Are you not concerned about that?

Honestly, I wish I could believe your doctor's view on things, but if percocet and vicodin are taken off the market - which is one option on the table the FDA is considering - it will affect everyone. I hope I'm wrong.

BTW I don't think I ever welcomed you to the board so let me do so belatedly!

PaLady
p.s. We do become physically dependent on these medications, but that's different from adiction.

straydog
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   Posted 7/3/2009 1:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I was reading about the Acetomenophen again on another pain forum. From what I read they are not going to stop making Vicodin and Percocet. So, as long as that is true then no worries. They are talking of producing a medication without the Acetomenphen in it. They are really concerned about ways to make the public aware of the potential liver problems and do not know how to go about it. It figures!!!
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PAlady
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   Posted 7/3/2009 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I know, Susie, but what if it's the combination as it's manufactured together that helps some of us? That's what bothers me. As I said I would be willing to try the oxycodone IR and see how that works with tylenol taking separately prn. But what if it doesn't work as well as the percocet itself? Plus - just MORE PILLS to shove down my throat and keep track of.

It just gets overwhelming. But I know you know that!

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Smoochie
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   Posted 7/3/2009 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh believe me, I am fully aware of the addiction process, I have been taking some type of narcotic pain medication for 12 years now. When the did my first surgerie (spinal fusion) they put me on the percocet and Oxycontin. I was taking 10-12 pills a day of Percocets and 3 Oxycontin a day, when one day I got fed up with it all and three the Oxycontin away, and very shortly thereafter I began going through withdrawels symptoms, I have never felt so sick in my life. I thought, even though I had only been taking the Oxycontin for three months that I was an addict and belonged in a treatment center which is where I went. When I went in they asked me what kind of "drug" was my choice when I explained to them how I was taking prescribed medication, they asked me how and when I told them they told me to sit in my room until I was ready to tell them the truth, which I was. They still did not believe me, but I stayed for four days and listened to people talking about seeling their child for a hit of herion, one guy was spending 80 dollars a pill for Oxycontin . It was a very scary place. When on the fourth day I asked to call my husband and they told me no that I wasn't allowed to talk to him and I told them either I do or I leave so I left, they were not there to help me, they were there to tell me that I didn't know what I needed, several times they made remarks about my education, which they knew nothing about and so on, they would not let me talk to my husband because they said he is providing me the drugs, which was ludicris, at the time he was a 17 year veteran police office with an impecable record and he went with me when I checked in. They paint a picture of what an addict is, its not clear though because I thought I belonged there, but what I really needed was a doctor who knew his but from a hole in the ground. OKay my fingers hurt from typing,lol. Thanks for the welcome I appreciate it greatly, and Happy Fourth to you all.
 


Tirzah
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   Posted 7/3/2009 7:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Smoochie,
I'm not sure I understand your post. Didn't you talk to your doctor about it before you checked yourself into an addictions rehab center? If so, your doctor should have explained the difference between dependence and addiction. Dependence means you need the medication in order to avoid going through withdrawal symptoms. Addiction means you will lie, cheat or steal in order to get your hands on the medication to achieve a high. Many times addicts will go to a treatment center & then be so desperate for a high that they will lie to the center staff in order to get out of rehab to go get another fix. It is part of their addiction, so it seems pretty natural to me that the staff would respond to you in that manner (though it certainly was unfortunate for you).

There are several reasons why many members in this forum continually post to other members to talk to the prescribing physician before taking themselves off of the medication. One of those reasons is that usually doctors have additional options for managing withdrawal symptoms in patients who are using medications exactly as prescribed. Often they will slowly decrease the dosage, switch temporarily to a longer-acting medication or provide other meds to help with withdrawal symptoms that are not highly addicting, but are not generally prescribed to patients with a history of addiction.

I hope you have found a PM that you trust right now. If you ever want to stop a narcotic in the future, I would suggest working with your PM to get off of the med. There are much better ways to handle that than going to a rehab center if you only have a dependence on the drug & not an addiction to it.

take care,
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Smoochie
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   Posted 7/4/2009 5:37 AM (GMT -7)   
No unfortunately my doctor at the time did not inform me of that, his response was and I quote "It sounds like you need to go to a treatment Facility" which is what I did, you know most of us, I would presume, didn't have a previous problem with any drugs, I was a kid who gew up without that, no alchohol either, it just wasn't what I wanted, I mean I would go out on occasion and have a beer with friends but that was it. So when my doctor told me that, I called around and went. There were 23 people in there when I went, 20 of them were court ordered and the other 3 we transferred from a hospital and then there was me,the only one to sign myself in, I learned alot from the experience and also learned it was not where I belonged. I of course no longer associate with that physician, I fully aware of any and all narcotice information I know what I need to get off of them and how to do it, we all learn from our mistakes, my hope now is that they will get my pain pump where it needs to be and then I can discontinue narcotic pain meds forever, my pump does not have narcotics in it. Thanks for your concern Frances
 


straydog
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   Posted 7/5/2009 8:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Smoochie, I am assuming you have a pain pump implanted. I have one too and it has been a life saver for me, now that I have a dr that is very educated in pain pumps and medications that go in them. Be preapred for having to possibly take something for BT pain with the pump. My dr always gives her patients something for BT pain in case they need it. Even with a pump we are never totally pain free and never will be. I do know some drs do not give meds to their pump patients-it can go either way depending on the dr. What do you have in your pump? I have Dilaudid, Clonodine, Sufentanyl and Bupivicaine. I have had this since 05 and now that I have a new pump dr. Good luck with your pump.
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crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Swveral other health issues just not enough roo to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


stingray
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   Posted 10/17/2010 2:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi
Just wanted to make a quick comment. I take a drug called supedule which is really oxycodone. They have just eliminated any additive such as tylenol or aspirin..I have also seen it called Oxy IR. They make it in 5, 10, and 20mg doses. I live in Canada so I'm not sure if they have the same thing in the US but, it's worth looking into if your looking for an alternative to percocet.
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