I am determined to give Lyrica a try.....

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hurtingbad
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   Posted 7/5/2009 3:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning, I am getting ready for work, and this is my 5th day off the vicodens. I did not get any withdrawals,just lotsa, lotsa pain. I am on Lyrica, & it is starting to work on Some of the aches and pains. I was prescribed to take 2 but I am taking 3 a day. I have a bad back, in which, I need surgery, but the Lyrica is not helping that at all. So, to be honest, I am cheating. I have a friend who gets percocets, and I have been breaking them in half and taking 3 a day(1 1/2). I have to, I am at work, and in so much pain from that. I am determined, and I will stick this out.
        Thanks for the support

Tony McGuire
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   Posted 7/5/2009 6:29 AM (GMT -7)   
This sounds like self-medicating, which is NEVER a good idea in the long run.

Good that you are determined to work with the Lyrica, but not so good that it is worth breaking Federal Law in taking those Percosets.

I hope you come out of it well, and maybe learn something useful to your doctor in prescribing what you need. Although you may not want to tell your doctor about what you discovered since your doctor may not take kindly to it.

Your call, I guess, and honestly the best of luck to you.

straydog
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   Posted 7/5/2009 7:41 AM (GMT -7)   
HurtingBad,
 
I am very glad to hear the Lyrica is helping you, however, self medicating is the the very best way to tick a dr off and get booted out the door. That gets written down in your chart and that makes a paprer trail and then you run into the possibility of no dr seeing you.
 
You and your friend are both doing something illegal with the Percocets. I am not saying you are not in pain, don't get me wrong. But, its this very activity that has made it nearly impossible for people with chronic pain to get a dr to rx them any medication for pain. If you have done much reading on this board you know this is a big problem and its getting worse each day. Drs are becoming so paranoid when it comes to pain medications.
 
I encourage you to make an appt and go in and see the dr. If you tell the dr about the illegal percocet you most likely will get kicked out the door. If I remember correctly you were cut off Vicodin, why? Did yo ask your dr why you were cut off the Vicodin.
 
You are to be commended for your wanting to work, but getting medication illegally to be able to work will not last forever. Someone is going to get caught up here and its not going to be nice.
Straydog/Susie
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Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 7/5/2009 7:56 AM (GMT -7)   
 
     Dear Hurtingbad,
 
       Good Morning *huggs* My name is Dani. I don't know if we have met before. But I wanted to introduce myself and say hello.
 
       It is very refreshing you are trying lycra. I do not have personal exerpience with that particular medication.. But! I have heard many many wonderful things about it. It seems to be a life saver for those with neuropathic pain. It could be a really big step towards getting things under control. I do, however, notice that you are taking it along with something that... perhaps should be left out.
 
       Here is why;
 
Drug interactions

No pharmacokinetic interactions have been demonstrated in vivo. The manufacturer notes some potential pharmacological interactions with opioids (pregabalin is synergistic with opioids in lower doses), benzodiazepines, barbiturates, ethanol(alcohol) and other drugs that depress the central nervous system

 

     Perhaps the BT pain should be addressed with something differant. Would be a good idea to bring up your continued pain when you talk to your doctor next.

*huggs*

dani


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PAlady
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   Posted 7/5/2009 5:44 PM (GMT -7)   
HurtingBad,
I have to second the above posts, especially Straydog's. I really can't condone anyone doing this kind of illegal behavior as it makes it so hard for the rest of us. On a personal level, it could make it impossible for you to ever get good pain management from a doctor.

I also wonder if you're taking the extra lyrica with your doctor's permission? If not, you really need to call and ask if you can increase the dose. You seem to be doing a lot of self-medicating along with the illegal percocet exchange. This isn't going to help you in the long run.

PaLady

Hello~Kitty
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   Posted 7/5/2009 6:03 PM (GMT -7)   
hurtingbad,

Have you even talked to your doctor about being in pain still and needing an increase in the lyrica, as most doctors dont have a problm with increasing Lyrica espcially since most doctors do increase overtime and the start you off with a low dose to help minimize side effects.
And did you talk to your doctor about needing a pain med til the lyrica starts to kick in? And you said your not having withdrawals, but how can you tell if your taking another narcotic? and if you plan to go to a pain doctor soon, you should know that almost every time they drug test on the first appointment before they will prescribe anythig narcotic at all. And you having percocet in your system that isnt prescribed by your reguluar doctor is a one way ticket out the door of all doctors you try to see for pain. Tomorrow is monday, please call your doctorn and explain that you still need the vicodins, did they give you a reason for cutting you off?

-hellokitty

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meds- Suboxone for pain, Cymbalta for pain and depression, Lyrica for pain and migraines, Imitrex for migraines, Ibprofen for migraines, Ventolin Albuterol inhaler for asthma. Phenergan for nausea, Seroquel for sleep.

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mrsm123
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   Posted 7/5/2009 8:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I am with the others, you are self medicating with the percocets which is why you aren't having withdrawal from the vicodens and the additional Lyrica that you are taking is also self medicating. It is not just taking extra pain mediction that gets a patient in trouble, it is adjusting /taking more of ANY medication than your doctor has prescribed that is illegal. In some states, it can bring you legal troubles, and then there are the federal laws that also apply.
I have little tolerance for doing what you are doing.
I understand being in pain, but I am beginning to think that anyone who wants treatment for pain needs some kind of class about being in pain treatment, similar to ones they do for diabetics that lay out the rules per se....
A Pain Treatment 101 class seems to be the answer. What works for one may not work for another. Do NOT adjust the dosage of any of the medications given to you on your own. If your pain is not relieved, then call your doctor and ask them what you should do....most of it seems like common sense, but I am beginning to believe that there is a whole slew of people who have no common sense when it comes to following the directions . If one medication is not working , taking extra is not going to somehow make it work for you. You may have to try several medications before one is found that offers you any substantial relief...pain treatment is a trial and error process.
When you are caught, and you will be eventually, you will find yourself left with no options for any further treatment outside of non steroidal anti inflammatories, because doing what you are doing will follow you for a long time .
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Tirzah
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   Posted 7/5/2009 8:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but why didn't you just call your doc & ask if it's okay for you to increase the Lyrica?

And I definitely don't understand why people choose to take meds from family or friends rather than just calling their doctors & explaining what is going on. There have been countless people who have posted here over the past year about how they have done exactly that & ended up with all sorts of horrible consequences -- trouble with their doctors, trouble with the law, trouble with their family/friends, trouble with their school, etc. It is a really horrible idea.

There are almost no doctors out there who would not automatically label someone exhibiting such behavior as an addict. I understand you are in pain, but you are trading your entire future away for a very short-term relief. You will get caught -- people always do -- and not only will you be affected, but your friend will also lose her pain meds for life and may get in trouble with the law as well.

Please think about how your actions will affect not only you, but your friend & those around you. If you don't like or trust your current doctor, find a new one. And please look into addictionologists in your area. Even if you have to take a day or two off of work to take care of that, realize that is what you need to do. Besides all the other trouble, many employers drug test employees if they suspect drug use. If you test positive for a substance not currently prescribed to you, you will lose your job anyways. And the vast majority of employers will always do pre-employment screens. How will you keep the pain under control for the interview without this med that you "need"?

I know that is a lot of questions to consider. There are many more that I have left out, but I have seen so many people insist that using other people's pain meds is a simple solution for their pain, but it has serious, far-reaching & long-standing implications for every aspect of your own life & many aspects of your friend's life, her family & her friends.

Please reconsider your choice.

blessings,
frances
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Chutz
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   Posted 7/5/2009 10:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello hurting and welcome.

I don't need to repeat what was so elequently said above but I do want to remind you of a couple of other things.

First, you apparently didn't read the forum rules for posting. "Rule #1 No discussion of any illegal activity or threats of violence. (ie. illicit drug use or exchange..." So technically your post should be removed. But I see other moderators left it so I will honor their decision. I think this topic benefits more people by being left for them to read and see how not to treat pain.

Next, we all are in pain and none of us want to see you in pain either. We understand, we have felt your pain and many here have worse pain. But once pain becomes chronic how intense it is really doesn't matter, IMHO. It makes your life miserable. The only hope we have is the medical community and we are at their mercy. You know of all of the media coverage about illegal narcotic pain medicines and the problems they cause. It's in the papers nearly every day and it's those stories of some famous person over dosing on pain meds or an addict robbing a pharmacy which is what happened in our tiny community. And just as often you read of people buying medication illegally or bringing it across the border which will also land you in jail. It is these people who make life hell for those of us in serious chronic pain. So what you are doing is not only illegal it's ruining our relationship with our doctors through no fault of our own and destroying chanced for us to get the treatment we need and deserve. We often get turned down because OTHERS broke the rules. Think about what you are doing, please.

And maybe most important of all...look in the mirror. Look real close, deep into your eyes and ask yourself if you are proud of who you see. You can get treatment for the pain or for addiction...whatever you need, even if you can't pay. But above all else you are destroying your integrity. No one can take this precious gift from you...you give it up yourself and that's what you are doing. And once it's gone you likely can't get back.

It's time to do the honest and right thing and I'm sure you know what that is. Please take this as tough love because I know your pain and don't want you to suffer. But I will not stand by and let you destroy the opportunity for other innocent chronic pain patients be turned down for treatment because of dishonest people who choose to break the laws.

Please let us hear from you because we really do care!
Chutzie
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Hello~Kitty
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   Posted 7/6/2009 5:42 AM (GMT -7)   
As other's have said, you should absoutly stop taking those pecocet right away, as it can cause severe long term problems. Just think if someone found out, the cops would be called, then they will offer you a smaller charges if you give up who gave you the meds, and you would be so desprate that you do, then your friend ends up in jail with big charges and in the end you both end up in drug court paying lots and lots of fees, drug tested 2-3 times a week, you will be refused any pain treatment with narcotics, and seeing a parole officer twice a week, being forced into inpatient rehab instead and/or jail time. And it will be many years before your cleared of charges all because you decided to take someone else's meds. And if you think it wouldn't happen to you, it DOES. My friend is (was) a high school teacher and her husband is the superintendent, and she got in HUGE trouble with pain meds and was arrested AT the high school, where it embarrassed herself and her husband. These are people with very nice house and cars and quite a bit of money, she worked her way from welfare up to this nice life and lost it all cause of pain meds. And she absoutly regrets putting her family through all this and is still fighting with her husband where they use to be very happy, but the court trouble has brought severe tension between them and he has lost all trust for her. I refered this friend to my Suboxone doctor and she has been doing great ever since, my Suboxone doctor is an addictionoligist, and he sees me not for addiction but for severe dependence and is tapering me off of all meds.

I know your thinking that htis stuff will not happen to me, so did all of the other people who thought it couldnt happen and it did. Do you really wanna take the chances of never getting any pain control? Remember that the label on the prescription bottle is NOT a suggestion, but they are the directions, either follow them or call your doctor and ask them if they can change it. Getting pain treatment is getting so hard for people with real chronic pain cause of drug diversion, that there are literally people lining up ath e methadone clinic just to receive something for thier pain at all cause doctors wont trust them cause they had a few patients that abused the system, and it's the few patients that abuse them that lets thousands of us suffering cause we cant find someone to treat us or way under medicate us. Now remember I see an addiction doctor and I am NOT an addict, but yet I am not embarrassed at all to say I see one, he has been the greatest thing to my health and pain ever, actually I'm going to go see him this morning in a few hours, his office is a good one and half hours away but I only see him once every 2 months. Well I hope you make the right choice. Throw away the percocets, and call your doctor TODAY about upping the lyrica and about getting your vicodins back, and if they say no to the vicodin then it sounds to me like they're already starting to not trust you for reason.

-hellokitty

Chronic Pain Moderator

Dx-Gallstones at age 14 that caused Fibromyalgia in 1998. Chronic Pancreatitis at age 15 from Pancreatic Divisum. Fell down cement basement stairs on my bottom in 2001. Got severe migraines after the epidural from my 2nd childbirth in 2002. Was rear-ended by a lady doing 55mph in 2004 then 2 months later rolled my car down a hill and did even more damage to my back. Depression caused by having chronic pain. Asthma from allergies.

meds- Suboxone for pain, Cymbalta for pain and depression, Lyrica for pain and migraines, Imitrex for migraines, Ibprofen for migraines, Ventolin Albuterol inhaler for asthma. Phenergan for nausea, Seroquel for sleep.

"I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much."         -Mother Teresa


LLPLUV
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   Posted 7/6/2009 6:49 AM (GMT -7)   
I want to welcome you to HW. Where advice is in the abundance.

Everyone is right though. You need to do everything your doctor says. I understand the pain is really bad but to take medications that are not precribed to you can cause huge problems for you.

Waiting for a medication to work can and will be some of the hardest moments you go through. I was put on a medication that was to help with pain control over a 24 hour period and it took awhile to start working. Didn't even know that it was really working until I forgot to take it one night and the next morning the pain was through the roof.

So you might want to step back and look at what you are doing. It is true stated above that your not going through withdrawls cuz you are taking percs. Increasing your lyrica will just make you run short at the end of the month.

I hope everything works out for you and you can find a stable ground to stand on in regards to your medications.

Laurie
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Also CHF (Congestive Heart Failure) and Sleep Apnea
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