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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 4:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I went to a physical therapist for lower back pain and it was suggested to bend over and touch the floor 10x's each hour all day every day and laying on my stomach doing leg and arm lifts everyday. Each week adding a lb weight to legs. I only got to 2 lbs after 1 and 1/2 months because I have been SO sore. He told me not to stop and do everyday.
I have not done anything in a week because my butt hurts SO very bad. After a week of rest shouldn't I be better? I'm so very sore.
Thanks for the advice on how to get better?
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 7:26 AM (GMT -7)   
You might want to consider going to another Physical thearpy place, the ones that push you too hard are old schooled
and no pain no gain is just plain out dated...look for a place that combines, ultra sound, tens unit and ice or heat thearpies
even my Doctor warned me not to bend over ever again, so please seek out another center, once you find a good place you'll
know as it'll actual help .
Tell your doctor that they are making you bend over and if that's what he wants in your thearpy...
Good Luck to you...
soft hugz....
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   Posted 7/6/2009 7:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Some stiffness and soreness is to be expected when first starting out with strength training and stretching, but the worst of it, by all rights should start to fade after a couple of weeks and any stiffness you feel the next morning should work itself out as your move and your muscle warm up after that 1-2 week "break in" period has passed. I am sure that you have had sore muscles before from doing more than you were used to and know how they feel better in a day or two once you get up and moving right? Same thing.

If you are still having a lot of soreness in your muscles then my guess is that you are either pushing too hard too fast (or are being made to) or that you are on the wrong PT program for whatever is really causing the pain/problems you were having that got you sent to PT for in the first place.

I agree with the above. You need to talk to your doctor and your PT and lay it out in plain, no uncertain terms, how you are feeling. If talking to the PT you have does no good then demand to speak to his/her supervisor or find another place to go for your therapy.

Good luck and hang in there.

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   Posted 7/6/2009 7:54 AM (GMT -7)   
WOW, I think I would get an appt and get back into see my dr. Its time for a new PT person. I have never heard of anyone being told to bend over every hour, thats just nuts. I also know that peole with back problems should not lay on their stomachs, per my orthopedic. In fact most people are unable to lay on their stomach that have back problems. Is theis person trying to try you for a marathom of some sort? Sorry-but I would kick that one to the curb and get another one. Of course we have all had some mild pain when first start in PT but what is going on here does not sound right.
 
Good luck.
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Tony McGuire
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   Posted 7/6/2009 7:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Shouldn't it be the doctors you are consulting? I know I don't have a clue how all the PT stuff works, or is supposed to.

Just my 2 cents.

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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 8:36 AM (GMT -7)   
First off thanks for the hugs, advice and opinions. Some I'll be thinking over. :)
I MORE than understand about being sore and stiff. I'm 53 years old and have been pretty active I'd say. I'm very mobile and only five pounds over high school weight. :)
My therapy sessions are over. The insurance wouldn't let me have more than a month. I was following the PT's recommendations which were to be done until DEATH. :) He was doing the zapping thing, heat and ultra sound at every sessions but now I'm on my own.
My husband was leery of the advice to bend over that much which equals to 170 times a day.
At one point my neck was killing me with the exercises alternating lifting the opposite arm and leg and I went to my doctor and he gave me pain pills and muscle relaxers. I couldn't take the pain pills they made me sick and the muscle relaxer made me sleepy all the time so after two days I went off them. I told him what the PT was having me do and he didn't say anything except to give me a neck therapy script. I guess he believes they know what they are doing. The PT changed the type of exercises and it relieved the neck pain.
We will no longer have any medical insurance in 3 weeks.
At this point I'm not sure what to do. Maybe just continue my stretching and walking for now.
Thanks for everything,
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 10:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
Do a qiuck look up for exercise for people with spinal stenosis and you'll find a whole lot better
exercises to try, also the walking is a very huge PLUS, so that was good...It was just the
bending over that had me worried and seems your doctor was somewhat concerned when
he gave you neck therapy script...
There are many type of pain medicines, make a list of the ones that you've tried and made you sick
and go from there, I've tried lyrica, celebrex, tramadol all of which made me throw up, pretty bad..
but cymbalta might help you better or something so don't give up, and can you sign up for COBRA
Also ask for a portable tens unit to use at home...
more soft hugz and sure hope you get a low pain day...
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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Chartreux,
Thanks for the reply. I'll do some research. :)
It was Tramadol that made me sick. I don't do well with meds.
My back pain isn't I'd say intolerable. :) I have arthritis and some curvature of the tail bone. I've
had chronic pain for about 25 years. Nothing awfully bad but bad. You know what I mean?
My main reason for therapy was to get stronger and less pain while riding the Harley. We ride a lot.
I wanted to be more comfortable. I take Motrin 600 every three hours and it helps. We are planning
a trip to CA from here in northern NY in August so I wanted to be the best I can be. It seems I'm
quite a bit worse from the therapy.
COBRA is so very expensive and not very good at that but it all is. We will look into it better.
Thanks for your help,
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 1:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Actually COBRA is excatly the same as whatever insurance you are on, all it is a continuation of your current insurance, nothing more, nothing less, I have just lost my COBRA after a year of coverage, it was 418 a month which is high, but after a year it ended and now I got a prescription for the first time in ceveral years without indurance and it cost 170 dollars for one prescription, I am on several, for a 2 week supply. I wish I had the COBRA back, but it ended so I couldn't keep it. But maybe you could check it out, I know it sure helped me, alot of things the doctors will not even do without pre-approval from the insurance company. Anyway good luck to you.
 


susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 1:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Smoochie,
Thanks for the reply. My husband said that Cobra would be $900 a month. He checked into it. We have been paying $151 a month through the company he got laid off from a year ago.
We will have to look into it.
Thanks,
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 1:20 PM (GMT -7)   
600mg of motrin every 3 hours seems like a lot.

maybe its me?


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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 2:26 PM (GMT -7)   
merrygirl,
I was taking Motrin 800 at three hour intervals but just four times in a 24 hour period. The doctor told me that was too much
and he prescribed Motrin 600 and I take them at three hour intervals for four times in the 24 hour period. The max I guess you
should take is 2400 in a day.
It is just when I'm riding the Harley unless I have a real bad day with too much housework etc.
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
     Dear Susies1955,
 
     Good evening. My name is Dani. It is very nice to meet you. :-)
 
   I don't think I can offer up much more help than the other posters.. But I do modified Pilates and yoga, then put on my TeNs (Mr. T!)+towel+heating pad on top. Perfect compliment for each other and I dont have to waste cash driving all over town to Physical therapy / chripractor anymore. I think some places let you rent out TeNs Units. My wet heat heating pad had to wait till was on sale thou. Alot more costly than I thought. 
 
*huggs*
dani
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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Dani,
Nice to meet you.
Strange I ask for BUTT help and my back is killing me tonight. :)
I use to do Yoga. I'm just going to take the time to heal for now.
Thanks,
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 4:35 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
    Hehe
  I use Mr.t 3x per day. 40mins ea
Big blessing in a small package :-)
*huggs*
dani
 
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susies1955
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   Posted 7/6/2009 4:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok great. Thanks for replying Dani,
Susie

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   Posted 7/6/2009 8:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
Welcome to the chronic pain forum. I tend to think along the lines of straydog and others about your PT. But if you don't have any sessions left it's a mute point.

Seems there are at least 3 of us here without insurnace. My COBRA just ended June 30. I got 90 day supplies of meds, but don't know what I'm going to do in Sept. I'm checking out what the pharmaceuticals offer.

What I did want to mention is if your husband was laid off after September 1, 2008 the government is paying 65% of your COBRA premium through the recovery act. Check out Recovery.gov. I was laid off at the end of 2007, so I didn't qualify. There are also two progams in PA for lower income people who don't qualify for Medicaid that I'm looking into, but neither has Rx coverage.

If you have the money, I'd try to find an excellent massage therapist or even private pay a different PT. Distance riding on the Harley could really be tough on your spine, but I can understand why you'd want to do it.

Hope some of this helps a bit. Again, welcome.

PaLady

susies1955
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   Posted 7/7/2009 12:50 AM (GMT -7)   
PaLady,
Thanks for the welcome.
My husband got laid off a year ago. The place he worked at gave us insurance for 6 months and 6 months more at $151 a month. He is working at another place and will have to either go with Cobra the 1st of Aug or go with the company insurance which is terrible and costly.
Thanks for the advice on options to try.
Susie

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   Posted 7/7/2009 1:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
Please do check out that recovery.gov website for info. on help with COBRA. I think there may even be some exceptions or grey areas, although the dates for lay off they give are between 9/1/08 to 12/31/09. Be careful of preexisting condition limitations if you have no insurance for awhile or go to a different policy. It's so confusing and scarey to be without insurance, isn't it?!

I was just thinking I might need an antibiotic for an issue with my tooth and it brought me up short to realize, wait a minute, I can't just call it in to a pharmacy. So I looked up Wal Mart's list of $4 meds to find one! But they sure don't have any of the higher end specialty meds a lot of us take.

Good luck!

PaLady

susies1955
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   Posted 7/7/2009 1:23 AM (GMT -7)   
PaLady,
OK I'll go check the recovery site. :) Thanks.
Susie

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   Posted 7/7/2009 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Susies 1955,

Welcome and thanks for sharing with us. I'm sorry for the intense pain you've been experiencing. I also have lower back pain, in addition to pain in my right buttock, right back thigh, and right foot.

I've seen several doctors so far since extreme symptoms/pain manifested themselves within these areas. At one point I was told, by a chiropractor, to follow through with a set of exercises. These exercises were very difficult to do, and eventually I understood that they did not help me. You have a special connection with your body that no one else does, and when you have that gut-feeling that what you're doing is hurting it, it is usually best to stop. I stopped these exercises for a couple days before my neurologist appointment, and he agreed with me that they are not necessarily helping. For some ailments in some people, he said, they can be helpful. But, if you don't know exactly what you're dealing with, it is best not to take the chance.

Also, a week is a relatively short time in terms of CP. There is no way to tell the expected time frame of your symptoms or base ailment until you have good, solid information from a variety of competent doctors. Definitely let your doctors know about this, and get all the advice you can. Many times PT is a good approach, so please don't give up, just go to a different place or seek different PT treatment. Remember: You are in charge of your body, and only take advice from those doctors and technicians that you have a good relationship with, and whom you trust.

Sorry again for you pain, I hope your problem is resolved as quickly as possible.

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susies1955
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   Posted 7/7/2009 11:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Logan,
Thanks for telling me your story.
You are right that I have to make the decisions that "I" feel best with.
Thanks for your tips and insight,
Susie
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