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straydog
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   Posted 7/13/2009 9:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Everyone,
 
I read on one of the pain newsletters last night that the feds had a little vote to stop making percocet and vicodin and it passed 20/17. Their concerns are over the the Acetomenophen overdoses resulting in liver damage. They gave stats of 400 people died from liver related problems and some 240,000 needed medical care last year. So, I guess rather than finding a way to educate the consumers its just easier to stop making it. Its not in concrete yet that this will happen, but they said the FDA usually goes along with their recommendations.
 
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Straydog/Susie
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crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Swveral other health issues just not enough roo to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


PAlady
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   Posted 7/13/2009 11:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
This is what we were discussing a couple of weeks back. I can't say what I want to so here's a version:
&$*#*$&*#$!!!!!

GRRRRRRR! Of course, I take percocet. So now what are we supposed to do? There have been shortages of the Oxycodone IR's (which I have a hunch is what they'll want doctors to go to). Fine time for me to have to switch around, too - with no health insurance. No Rx coverage.

Thanks, Susie. Maybe we can hope they'll take a long time to phase it in.

I am so sick of all this BS. If people don't want to read warning labels and want to destroy their liver, let them.

Ok, I'm sorry. I'm off on a rant. Between the fallout on US from the MJ case (and it will come, in time) and this....like getting pain management isn't tough enough?

I know. I'm preaching to the choir.

Thanks for letting me rant.

PaLady

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   Posted 7/13/2009 11:32 AM (GMT -7)   
I think a simple label change for Vicoden and Percocet and any medication that contains acetaminophen would be good enough. When you buy the generic version of these meds it say exactly what they are and how much of each drug is in them. The name brands usually don't.

If this does go into effect I wouldn't worry too much about any shortages. Companies that make these drugs in either the name brand or generic versions will be able to step up production of the straight narcotic without any trouble.

It is frustrating though. People will have to go through some BS because a handful of idiots in and out of the medical community. At least it won't be as bad as it was/has been over the children's OTC cold medicine bit caused by the same reason.
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Hello~Kitty
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   Posted 7/13/2009 1:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I dont know exactly my feeling on this whole situation, I know when I first had chronic pain with my pancreas I was taking percocet and it helped a great deal for about a half a year before my tolerence went up and had to be switched to oxycontin, so I feel bad for people needing that med, but I could care less what happens to hydrocodone lol. But I really wonder what they're gonna start prescribing for people who need meds for short term pain, cause I always thought those 2 meds where one of the most prescribed. So say someone who doesnt have chronic pain, but falls down and breaks their arm, and goes to the ER, what will they prescribe them to take home for pain?? And the reason for some people overdosing is because I've seen too many doctors write for the 5/500 meds like take 1-2 every 4-6 hours, but forget to warn the person that they should never take more then 4000mg of the apap, but some people are to dumb to know this important fact and really will take 2 every 4 hours, and end up taking 6000mg of the APAP daily (this is if they take the ones with the 500mgs in it). Just a weird situation if you ask me, I think it would just be easier to take out the APAP out of these pills, but I'm sure they ahve their reason for not doing this.

-hellokitty

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Dx-Gallstones at age 14 that caused Fibromyalgia in 1998. Chronic Pancreatitis at age 15 from Pancreatic Divisum. Fell down cement basement stairs on my bottom in 2001. Got severe migraines after the epidural from my 2nd childbirth in 2002. Was rear-ended by a lady doing 55mph in 2004 then 2 months later rolled my car down a hill and did even more damage to my back. Depression caused by having chronic pain. Asthma from allergies.

meds- Suboxone for pain, Cymbalta for pain and depression, Lyrica for pain and migraines, Imitrex for migraines, Ibprofen for migraines, Ventolin Albuterol inhaler for asthma. Phenergan for nausea, Seroquel for sleep.

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PAlady
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   Posted 7/13/2009 1:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Kitty,
You're way more trusting of those making these decisions than I am. Maybe it's your youth. :-)

Removing the APAP from the percocet in essence turns it into oxycodone IR. But for some of us, the combination of that together in the same pill may prove to be more effective than the oxycodone plus tylenol.

It's pretty siimple; insurance companies already regulate how many pills of various meds they'll allow in a month. So they make sure the MDD is enforced in dispensing these, with serious warnings about taking extra tylenol, and a list of common OTC meds like NyQuil and such containing acetomenophen can be easily included in all the other stuff they give us. Other than that, can't protect people from their own stupidity.

Sorry, guess I feel pretty strongly about this one because I DON'T trust that they know what they're doing in terms of the effect on CP patients. In general, it's pretty well been shown by the actions of the DEA, FDA, and even doctor's overreactions that the needs and concerns of CPP's are no where near the top of the priority list.

PaLady

White Beard
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   Posted 7/13/2009 2:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Well for the longest time I was given 5mg Oxycodone for Break through pain, it was usually prescribed as take 1 to 3 tablets every 4 to 6 six hours as needed for break through pain. Some where along the line after changing and upping my Oxycontin he changed it to Percocet 5/325 1 to 3 tablets daily. Acetaminophen never really did much for me, as compared to aspirn or ibprofen which I can't take because of my stomach and colitis. It would seem to me if a person has to take allot of Percocets to control their break through pain then maybe their extended long term pain meds needs to be increased or changed to better control it. The people that require immediate short term pain relief will probably be affected the most! I am not at all sure how that is going to work. I would not be at all surprised if some time and some where down the road, APAP becomes severely restricted or is taken off the shelves completely! Like it or not it has happened before! Anyway I will be curious to see how all this pans out.

White Beard
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I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


DiLane
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   Posted 7/13/2009 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
I take Percocet without Acetomenophen. Does this mean I can't get that? No more Perocet in any form if this passes?
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Hello~Kitty
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   Posted 7/13/2009 8:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Well this si what get sme, no matter what, the people that abuse it will always find a way to abuse meds, no matter what, they could tell you that abusing the meds would make your limbs fall off, and they would still abuse it. But this is because their just isnt enough choices for these addicts, and until they do this, we should be prepared for the worse. I really feel that in the next upcoming years, finding good treatment is gonna be next to impossible, even for us who already are established in pain treatment. I seriously htink it's only time before we're in line with te methadone clinic people, getting out daily dose of pain meds instead of methadone (unless you already take that for pain). Or we will have to be microshipped, I just know their will be something crazy, I really really do. But like I said earlier, what are the plans to use in place of these meds. DO these meds their planning on removing include all pain meds that have APAP in it, like tylenol with codiene, darvocet (which I thought was suppose to be removed), ultracets? And what are doctors suppose to prescribe to people with acute pain, like broken bones, some surgeries, things like that, are they just gonna start giving them oxycontin?? I know oxycodone was gonna be mixed with niacin, is that gonna come out in time to take over?? too many unanswered question, but then again it doesnt effect me, but it effects lotsof people I care about. My aunt has been on the 10mg norco for many eyars, and it's the only thing she has found to work for her pain, I'm just wondering what she's gonna do, I havent had a chance to talk to her lately, or if she even knows about it yet, but i know she isnt gona be happy. I just wish I didnt have to sit back and watch treatment for us to get harder just cause of the lack of treatment and care for addicts are ignored, the problem will never be fixed til they fix the root of the problem first.

-hellokitty

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Dx-Gallstones at age 14 that caused Fibromyalgia in 1998. Chronic Pancreatitis at age 15 from Pancreatic Divisum. Fell down cement basement stairs on my bottom in 2001. Got severe migraines after the epidural from my 2nd childbirth in 2002. Was rear-ended by a lady doing 55mph in 2004 then 2 months later rolled my car down a hill and did even more damage to my back. Depression caused by having chronic pain. Asthma from allergies.

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Tirzah
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   Posted 7/13/2009 9:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is the link to the MSN report on this decision by a panel of experts advising the FDA on the Acetaminophen issues, including, but not limited to, banning Vicoden & Percocet.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/31664450/ns/health-more_health_news/?ns=health-more_health_news

The link to the notes from the FDA panel are available at:
http://www.fda.gov/AdvisoryCommittees/Calendar/ucm143083.htm

To provide feedback to the FDA about these recommendations, you can go to the FDA's website through September 30, 2009 and post comments. Here is that website:
http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/ucm165107.htm


I do think we need to be cognizant of the facts surrounding this issue. First, on April 28, 2009, the FDA approved a new regulation requiring additional labeling on OTC acetaminophen products warning of the dangers of overdose, combination with various prescription drugs (not only narcotics, but other meds like warafin) & combination with alcohol.
The panel addresses a number of issues, but the topics it addresses do not seem to be the ones referenced here. Abuse does not refer to addiction, but rather to those taking it to attempt suicide, which results in half of the serious cases of acetaminophen overdose cases in the U.S. The other half of the cases the panel labels as "unintentional overdoses" where the user was not aware that there was acetaminophen in the product. Their goal in pulling prescription products with acet. in them is to force patients to have 2 prescriptions to where they would be more likely to realize that they are consuming both the narcotic & acet.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, they discuss that they feel that an educational campaign would be prohibitively expensive. They tried a small campaign in 2004 & it had almost no effect.

I only mention these issues b/c if we are to write letters that have any chance of making a difference, I think they need to address the actual concerns of the FDA. It appears that addicts abusing vicoden/percocet is not a concern of the FDA at this point. Honestly, I'm not really sure how educating the American public could be made cost effective. Americans seem unbelievably careless with OTC meds. The vast majority of stores where those meds are sold have a licensed pharmacist on staff, yet many people do not discuss those issues even with a pharmacist.

Really, the only thing I can even think of that might work is implementing the same policy that was implemented with the Sudafed type drugs. The moved them behind the pharmacy counter. Maybe then pharmacists could offer counseling to every patient who purchases OTC meds with acet. in them. I don't know. I'm kinda with all of you. I'm tired of stupid people making it harder for those who really need treatment for CP. Between the stupid people who want pain meds just "to relax", crazy people who say things like "I wish I could get surgical anesthetic every night so I could sleep" -- MJ certainly wasn't the first time I ever heard someone say something like that, dumb people who refuse to consult with their doctors or pharmacists b/c they would rather self-treat, etc., etc., etc. I am starting to feel that maybe refusing everyone access to any of these meds really may be the only option to keep stupid people from accidentally killing themselves. UUUUGGGHH! So frustrating! I feel for you all. Fortunately, this round I'm safe with my meds (I have an extensive family history of cirrhosis so I avoid all acet. products like the plague), but I imagine the stupid people will find a way to ruin my meds given the chance so I figure it's just a matter of time. :(


peace,
Frances
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kttn251977
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   Posted 7/13/2009 11:52 PM (GMT -7)   
this is definitly up to the education of the dr. when i began seeing my PM dr i was on darvocet and he took me off of them due to the aspirin content and explained it could damage my liver. He said those type drugs were only good for about 2 weeks to a month and then should come off of them. and my dr said this to me 4 years ago. it dosen't suprise me this is coming. but it begs the question what will people do for intermintent pain control? norco? would seem too addictive than darvocet or percocet to me. maybe they can figure out a new way to compound the medication?
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straydog
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   Posted 7/14/2009 12:23 AM (GMT -7)   
The report I read only related to the issues of the liver that was their big concern. They also mentioned lowering the dosages of the OTC Acetomenophen. This article never mentioned anything about addictions issues, it was strictly talking about the liver issues.

Frances hit on a very good subject of lack of people asking the pharmacist info on OTC products they buy. I think most people are of the mind set it's there on the shelf so it must be an ok product, most never read past the dosage. But, that's very true with precription medication, people will not ask questions. They will not read their print-out sheets given on every rx they buy, people come here and ask us questions on side effects that they should have asked the pharmacit when they picked their meds up. Or if they had read their print-out they would know what can be a possible side effect. How many times have we seen it someone posts the dr changed their medication and they just picked it up and want us to give them info that is at their fingertips!!!!Can anyone explain that one? We have too many tools at our hands now not to be educated when it comes to medication and even medical information.
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crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Swveral other health issues just not enough roo to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


CrohnsPatient
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   Posted 7/14/2009 5:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Norco has the same same base as vicodin and the same tylenol content so they wouldnt change to that.

BionicWoman
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   Posted 7/14/2009 7:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Frances, thank you for taking the time to type all that out. I wanted to last night, but I was too tired.

ETA: Even though the generics are interchangeable with hydrocodone, the Norco brand only has 325mg of tylenol, while regular Vicodin has 500 (regular), ES has 750, and HP has 660.

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   Posted 7/14/2009 8:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes think you, I guess I forgot to finish my thought, you are correct. But if i'm not mistaken I could be wrong but I thought I had come across someone on here that took 5/325 mg vicodin, but I could jsut be confusing it with people taking 5/325 percocet for a first timer type pain medicine.

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   Posted 7/14/2009 1:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
I could try to answer the question you pose about "Can anyone explain that one?" but you'd have to edit my answer!! :-)

PaLady

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   Posted 7/14/2009 3:47 PM (GMT -7)   
PaLady I hear you, they would be editing my posts too,lol. Hey, off the topic but did ya get your bed elevated yet?
Straydog/Susie
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crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Swveral other health issues just not enough roo to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


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   Posted 7/14/2009 5:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Susie,
Ok, don't beat me up but no, the bed's not elevated. I'm still debating about it. Have been reading on the GERD forum, plus the nexium is helping. And I spent today starting my taxes, and investigating the partnership for prescription assistance program website. BTW that's pretty good, although you have to go back and forth between various links for each drug. It does APPEAR I may be able to get the nexium at no cost if I meet their application requirements. Found a couple places that look like I can get my neurontin - and maybe even lyrica. But of course the pain meds are the challenge. No one lists percocet or oxycodone IR. Possibly oxycontin, but that requires a complicated application process and I've never even tried it before.

I just know elevating the bed is going to cause problems with my neck and possibly spine. It's been a delicate balance for many years, and still is. I am making huge changes in my diet. No more friend foods. No more caffeine. No chocolate. No eating for 3 hrs. before bedtime (a hard one). I guess there's just so much I can do at once, you know?

I applied to my retirement annuity for an exception to their rules. That was last week's project. Finally got the, out a 3 page letter. It's just one thing after another. Please understand, I'm dancing as fast as I can.

PaLady
p.s. I forgot to add the continuing tooth pain where the new crown was placed. I'm about half way through the antibiotic, but I already know that I'm going to need a root canal. So yesterday I called around about prices for that. Around $800-900, and most all dentists want their money up front. I wake up every morning with that tooth aching. I have so had it with pain! mad

Post Edited (PAlady) : 7/14/2009 6:03:26 PM (GMT-6)


White Beard
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   Posted 7/14/2009 10:34 PM (GMT -7)   
PALady
 
Maybe I missed something in your post, but why didn't he do a root canal before or when he done the crown? As I remember or I think I remember, you were having trouble with your tooth and he put the crown on is that right? And the crown didn't fix the  problem? Is that correct so far? If it is then shouldn't he have to go back and fix it? Or am I all wrong about all that? If you have to get a root canal then won't you have to get a new crown? Does your dentist think your made of money or something? I hope this doesn't offend you but I am going to say a prayer for you! Maybe even a couple of Hail Mary's and an Our Father or something, because you definitely need all the help you can get!
 
I am certainly hoping that, that antibiotic kicks in and help you!
 
White Beard
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I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on full disalbility!--Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!) Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV


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   Posted 7/14/2009 10:42 PM (GMT -7)   
White Beard,
Nope you didn't miss anything. In my view the dentist screwed up. But he's not admitting it. Said he didn't see any evidence of it when he was doing the work or looking at the X-ray. So guess what? They get to drill through the new crown! No, they don't have to replace it, but wiil have to put a filling in. I've called around to several dentists and evidently drilling through a crown is relatively common. But you're right he should have caught it. I will talk to him again after I'm finished with the antibiotic and see what he'd charge to do the root canal; had he done it when he was doing the crown, I'd still have had my dental insurance. Probably would have cost me another couple hundred, but not the full load. I can tell this dentist is moving toward the "it's not my fault and here what it's going to cost you" BS. But one thing I don't want is an angry dentist drilling through my tooth, so I won't get pissed at him until later. If he gives me a deal on the root canal - including a payment plan - I may have no choice but to let him do it. But at the moment I don't have the money, plain and simple. My cousin just loaned me a little bit more but I have to get my car inspected this month too!!!

I'll take all the prayers and positive energy anyone wants to send, even though I'm not religious (but am spiritual).

Ok I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I already have!

Thanks, WB,

PaLady

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   Posted 7/15/2009 7:05 AM (GMT -7)   
PaLady-
I just wanted to mention something about the elevated bed thingy. Once I had things fairly under control with the medicines I didn't have my bed elevated anymore and I don't think it it made a difference for me either way. With your concerns about your neck and such it might be best to see what the meds can do first. That's just my take on it though.

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   Posted 7/15/2009 12:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks, Bill!

Most people won't know what we're talking about (well, Susie and WB do!) but Bill has helped me out a lot on the GERD forum and he also has Barrett's esophagus. I may try to borrow a wedge or something and just see if it makes things any better at night. But honestly, I also get the acid in my throat and mouth during the day, too.

I know this belongs on the GERD forum. Sorry, Susie!

PaLady

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   Posted 7/15/2009 7:21 PM (GMT -7)   
PaLady, we can discuss this here I asked you a question about the bed lol. I talk about my crohns here all the time, so far Chutzie hasn't ran me off yet, lol. I can attest to elevating the bed slightly as to not causing any problems with the neck or back. I have herniations C5-6 and C6-7 and of course the good ole back situation. Truly the elevation is so slight there is no change in the mechanics of your body. On the other hand because of the amount of acid my gut produces I am not willing to risk anymore damage to my innards from the acid. Its nasty. Just keep on dancing, you will get there.
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crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


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   Posted 7/15/2009 10:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with Susie about raising my bed not affecting my neck & the only reason it caused probs. for my back was b/c I was dumb enough the first time to try to raise my bed without any help. Not my best idea :). Once my dad & brother came & raised it for me I was fine.
My idiot allergist dx'ed me with Silent GERD. Turns out I had a rampant infection that had eaten a hole through my sinuses. It showed up on my CT & that's why my neuro referred me to an ENT, but the ENT was too dumb & told me that if I was weak enough to "want" Actiq for my back pain that there was no way I could handle such a severe infection while on a drug holiday. Idiot! The infection spread throughout my entire body. but that's beside the point -- my neck (which is super sensitive & I can't even sleep w/ a regular pillow) and back were not bothered in the least by raising my bed. :)

Hope you feel better soon & if you do decide to raise the head of your bed ... get some help! ;) hee, hee, hee

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   Posted 7/16/2009 12:11 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh, don't worry, Frances. I would not even approach doing it myself! It's hard for me to get help, though. My cousins have their own health issues. Not many young healthy guys left around me to help with such a projet. Makes such a difference when you don't have that kind of help.

I have wondered how much my sinuses are affecting this. It's common for me to have a lot of sinus drainage, and when I saw my PCP in June she gave me some more of the Nasacort nasal spray and I managed to fill one Rx, but they'd only give me one at a time. It's horribly expensive. But she said the veins in my nose were very swollen. Seems all this congestion between sinuses and acid and possible root canal issues - everything ends up around my throat and esophagus. I know stress has to be a ton of this; not that it's not a real physical problem now as the biopsy shows, but the timing of all this happening the month before I lose my insurance can't be just coincidence.

Sweet dreams!

PaLady

fatherjohn
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   Posted 7/16/2009 12:41 AM (GMT -7)   
PAlady, does your dentist have a brother who is a PMS and recently moved to Oregon?
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