PaLady we have the same dentist

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   Posted 8/21/2009 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I am sitting here writing this crying so hard I can bearly see. I am so mad and I am struggling to get it under control. My husband has taken to the garage as he cannot handle me crying. I had a crown put on 2 months ago after a root canal. The day the tech was gluing it in, it did not feel quite right, felt like the crown was wedged in between the two teeth, in other words too big for the space. Well, at 3:00am this morning it comes off while I am drinking a cup of coffee. So, I call the dentist & go in and he does xrays. Then he starts working on getting the crown on. Well, after much pushing down on the inside of my mouth after I have no idia how much grinding on the crown before hand, he very flippantly says, this is not going to work. You don't have enough tooth to attach the crown too!!! Hello %$*%^#$# you should have thought about that $5,400 ago!! You need a bridge or implant and walked out!! Oh, he sent the girl in to tell me how much more money, $3300 and thats when I was ready to start stacking furniture. I went all over her and up one side of her. I lost it. I finally snapped back enough to know to leave I was getting very ugly, my parting words were you better have him call me. Yes, I paid $5400 for 2 root canals, 2 crowns and 1 deep plane cleaning, stick a fork in me, I am done, turn me over.
I want to know what in the hell has happened to the medical community. Do we look like a million? For $8700 hell, I could have the very best set of the kind that goes in a glass of water on the night stand at night. Where do they get off with this crap. Somewhere in this rage that is building in me is a headache, a knot in my stomach and I want to go back out there and rip that red headed *&^$%# head off his shoulders. If I do not have a call back today, thats fine, I already told the husband come Monday morning he is going out there with me. Let them deal with my 6 "4" mountain man, I am done. This has literally taken me to my knees.
Oh, my ultrasound for yesterday, off. I get there for the appt and lady comes up and says we are running 1 1/2 hrs behind do you want to wait. Now, folks it has taken me 30 minutes to get there. I looked at her and said look, seems to me a phone call to me should have been made, I do not live down the street and around the corner. And to top it off I burned a quarter of a tank of gas going over there & back. I need to stop here I am fixing to get real out of hand again. Sorry guys for the rant.
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   Posted 8/21/2009 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   

I just signed on and went right to your post first. Oh, you KNOW I understand!! I am so angry reading your post I can barely type! Do NOT be sorry for this rant!

That is a ton of money you paid. A ton! Yes, take that 6'4" husband over there, but be careful not to get into a threatening situation where the dentist has reason to call police. You know too much. You can do this guy in legally!


Well, wait, get mad first. Get it a lot (but not all) of the raw stuff out of your system. Then use everything you KNOW to deal with this guy.

I do not know what is happening either, but if you read my post from last night you can see that there are a FEW good people left in the medical profession. Trick is finding them. What my periodontist is offering to do for me I can't tell you how HEALING that feels. And I'm going to send him a card with a note telling him so. But we shouldn't have to be so wounded in the first place.

Your case sounds like some definitey malpractice issues. I figure at the very least if my dentist won't refund my money, I am going to report him to the licensing board. That is, after I get all my SSD and health insurance stuff done. It may take me a couple of months, but believe me that can create more of a paper headache for them, then it will for you. You know about how much paper lawsuits take. And you may not have to do much but file the complaint.

But enough about that. Right now you need to cry and punch pillows and scream, and then call your hubby back in for a gentle hug.

Oh, I wish you could have strung that cane around that dentist's neck.

I am so sorry for what you are going through



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   Posted 8/21/2009 6:43 PM (GMT -6)   
   Dear Susie,
      *huggs* I am so terribly sorry. That is just awfull. And yes, you are right, for 15K-45K have implant retained "full" sets.   mad   I would be livid! You already have way to much going on, you didnt need his *&^& at all. I really hope he comes to his senses and atleast try to come up with some sort compramise.
       When it comes to the ultra sound I really think you should tell a supervisor. I live in a very rural areas, so most of my docs are literally hours away. I would have flow off the handle for sure if I were in your shoes. Was very inapproiate for them to not contact you before hand. Do they really think you can literally just "sit" for 2hrs? Sounds like stiffness and swollen leggs to me for sure. That situation could have been avoided with a little communication. WHAT were they thinking?
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   Posted 8/21/2009 11:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I just wondered how you are doing tonight. You've had so much hit you lately - and big deal stuff! Just know we're thinking about you.

Rant, vent, cry or whatever anytime you want! We're here to listen!


p.s. Want us to add your dentist to the vampire hit list? devil I think I may already know the answer to that! yeah

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   Posted 8/21/2009 11:14 PM (GMT -6)   
If he was any kind of person at all he would credit you the cost of the crown and "labor" putting it on towards the cost of an implant or whatever.

I bet if he took his car in for front brakes and his rotors were bad and all they did was put new pads on and a few weeks later he had to go back because his brake pads went bad he would not want to pay for another set of pads and labor when the shop finally decided to tell him he needs new rotors too.
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   Posted 8/22/2009 12:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Susie, You go right on and vent away. You have a perfectly good reason to!!! This makes me so mad just reading this. What is it with these dentists here lately? I think you were treated so wrong to say the very least.

And the ultrasound....You should have been called ahead of time and they should have explained the situation to you, and offered to reschedule the appt. I do understand them getting behind, but a courtesy call would have certainly been the thing to do. With gas prices and the driving time and everything else you had to go through to just get there...

I really am so sorry...I wish I knew what to say that would help...I do hope you are doing better. And I understand your husband not liking to see you upset and crying. Mine does the same thing too sometime. I think it is because as men they just don't like to see us hurt and they can't "fix" it and make it better so they don't know what to do...

Please let us know how you are doing. I am concerned about you. We all are. You have been through alot lately and you sure don't need all these extra things added. I'll be thinking about you.
I thought you might need more than one hug!!!


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   Posted 8/22/2009 2:28 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't think I need to tell you how I feel! Just know we are here to listen and support you! Your hurt and anger is more than justified. There are just way to many Doctors Dentist out there that do not deserve to be practicing medicine, it is criminal what they are doing! They are no better that those crooks and scam artist that go around and do home repairs, they take all your money and only do half the job or do it so poorly that it has to be redone! Is your dentist or PALadys dentist any different? I don't think so!

Your in my Prayers!

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   Posted 8/22/2009 8:46 AM (GMT -6)   


GEEEEEEZ!!  You deserve to VENT bigtime!  I cannot believe the BS that has happened to both you and PALady.  You have the right plan for your husband to go with you...if this umm D...De...Den...Dent...Denti..JERK doesn't credit you for his botched work....Don't stop, either head to the DENTAL BOARD or CALL them ASAP!

Why not use the words.....Dr. would you like for your wife, mother, son, daughter or father to receive treatment like you have given me?  If he has any professional morals this should stop him dead in his tracks before he does another cruel action!

We are here for you....@%%^%#^@%$#((_)(

I am sending you lots of hugs  ((((((((((((((((((((((Susie))))))))))))




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   Posted 8/22/2009 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been thinking about you this morning. Well, both of us kind of, but I think your situation is even a more flagrant violation than what happened to me.

Last night I was online looking up the licensing board complaint process for Pennsylvania and many states have an online process so if/when you're up for it, you more than know what to do. But seeing as how I still hold a professional license I can see this from both sides and that's why I know complaints are at their best a royal pain in the butt for a professional because they're easy to file by just one person but a paperwork mess for the professional - and that's even if they've done nothing wrong. Although a complaint has to have some basis and yours surely does.

I remember your post shortly after my fiasco started and I think you were asking about why someone needed specialists for all this work because your dentist had done it all. My guess is you know the answer now. Same reason we go to specialists for anything else. The root planing (which I had prior to my gum surgery, but eventually needed gum surgery anyway - and both were done by my angel of a periodontist) I've not heard being done by a general dentist. That's for a gum specialist (periodontist), from all I know. Crowns, yes, general are part of general dentistry but I think root canals may be in a grey area. Everyone I have asked in my family who has had a successful root canal had it done by an endodontist. If I could do it over that's where I would have gone. But I think general dentists are trying to keep all the business they can these days. And that's where I think you might have a strong complaint.

Does the phrase "practicing beyond the scope of your license" ring a bell with you? Well, when I read that the TECHNICIAN placed your crown that was a red flag to me. What in the world is a technician doing placing the crown to begin with? I have NEVER had a technician do that and I've had tons of crowns in my life. The technician should be licensed, too, and I would think that's beyond the scope of his/her license - or at the very least borderline. But especially when they've had a case such as yours where it required root planing, and two root canals and crowns, that sounds to me that at the minimum a technician shouldn't have been in there doing anything but assisting. And why weren't you referred for at least a consultation to a specialist? I'd start thinking along those lines because I think you'd have a strong case in front of a dental licensing board, although I asked for the record from the endodontist consult and found it to be minimal and just descriptive. I can tell these guys don't want to get into a fight with eachother. I haven't asked for my periodontist's records, but did write him a letter and ask that he document that the problems were not there when he saw me in June - a week or two before my general dentist started on his path of mutilation.

It also seems whoever made the mold for your crown, and/or the crown itself didn't know what they were doing. Why was the size so off? Lots of questions to ask, and to me refunding you that money is a lot easier for a dentist (and smarter, IMHO) than risking a review by the licensing board.

Ok, I'll stop! I know this is all too emotional right now, but I wanted to get these thoughts out before they drifted into outer space, where much of my mind resides these days.



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   Posted 8/22/2009 4:13 PM (GMT -6)   
((((((((Susie)))))))). The nerve these people having, trying to make you pay for their mistake, is incredible! I hope that you can work out something reasonable with this dentist (like having the work done for free!).


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   Posted 9/2/2009 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Susie,

I was mad when I read about what happened to you. I have one recommendation for you. there is this dentist, Dr. Abbas Eftekhari, who is a great one, He is really experienced in general dentistry, cosmetic dentistry and restorative dentistry. He really helped me when I was in trouble. Go consult with him. His website is
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