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Johnny2009
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   Posted 8/23/2009 10:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone heard about Cobroxin? Any thoughts about how well it works?

BionicWoman
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   Posted 8/24/2009 1:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Somehow I suspect this is a hit and run spam, rather than a real question, but I'm bored as hell and can't sleep.. tongue

I'm a huge fan of homoepathic supports, but this one just seems.. well.. off.

The first thing that always jumps out at me on some of these websites is that they misspell important words. That might seem trivial, but I think it speaks hugely to the credibility of the company, especially when they're making all sorts of scientific claims and talking about performing clinical research studies.

But more importantly, there's a huge misleading claim on their website:

They say:

Cobroxin website said...
Cobroxin is an oral formulation of diluted cobra venom prepared according to the requirements of the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States (HPUS) and its supporting texts. The HPUS directs that Cobroxin formulations may be used, among other things, for the control of pain located in the back, head, throat, ovaries, and associated with period pain. Under United States law, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) accepts the HPUS applications of Cobroxin and regulates the quality of its production.


** It's worth noting they misspelled Pharmacopeia in that paragraph - it's Pharmacopoeia.

In 1990, the HPUS and FDA got together to come to a consensus of what constituted an OTC homeopathic remedy and what should be prescription only homeopathic remedies. At that time, the FDA create explicit guidelines under which homeopathic medications can be marketed. Another thing that happened at the same time is that the HPUS was forced to tidy up their "formulary" (also known as their Pharmacopoeia) to meet the FDA regulations, and at that point anything in the "formulary" was considered "official" by the FDA and could be marketed without going through the full FDA regulatory process. Any homeopathic remedy that isn't in the "formulary" is considered "unofficial" and any company marketing them has to provide full clinical proof of their claims to the FDA.

When you open the product insert, you find that Cobroxin is "made from the venom of Asian cobras Naja Tripudians. Naja Tripudians is recognized as an "official" remedy by the HPUS, and therefore it automatically passes the FDA regulations, rather than having its individual product manufacturing and production processes fully regulated by the FDA, which is NOT what the initial paragraph implies. To most people who don't know how the regulation works with HPUS and the FDA, they'd think this "drug" is regulated just like any other OTC drug, including Tylenol and Advil.

As far as whether it works on pain or not, I'm leaning toward not. I looked up Naja Tripudians in the International Academy of Classical Homeopathy repertoire and this is what it said:

IACH said...
NAJA has been found of very decided use in affections of the heart, especially WEAK HEART (NUX VOMICA, tired feeling); diphtheria, where there is impending heart failure or paralysis. Dyspnoea and prostration from weak heart, sympathetic cough in organic diseases with weak heart action. (Dry cough, sympathetic in heart affections, SPONGIA.) Palpitation and bad feeling in heart, < walking. In these troubles, as well as in chronic weakness of heart, there is no doubt of the value of NAJA. Constantly dwells on suicide like AURUM. But further than this I do not know of very many marked successes from its use.


Another thing about Cobroxin, that I think goes a step beyond efficacy and treads on the line of safety -

The product insert states:

product insert said...

CONTRAINDICATIONS
- Nicotine
- Steroids
- Known allergy to venoms

PRECAUTIONS
- Can have additive affect with opiates
- May lower blood pressure

~snipped pregnancy, breast feeding, and pediatric warnings~


It seems to me that a company that's targeting an audience of people who live with chronic pain should be a bit more responsible in their marketing and make the interactions with opiates and steroids a little more clear, on the outside of the box, in big bold letters! it's also worth noting that Naja has immunosuppressive effects, which leaves people who might be drawn to it for pain related to autoimmune disorders at a much higher risk of adverse events.

I think if you want to use homeopathic medicine to enhance your pain management plan, the very best thing to do would be to find a trained classical homeopath that can look at your specific symptoms, disorders, and current allopathic (regular doctor type) medications, then determine what remedies will enhance your current treatment plan and reduce your pain.

Johnny2009
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   Posted 8/24/2009 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Interesting points. No hit, spam and run, just curious because I saw the press release from the company, Nutra Pharma, that was launching it...

Regardless of misspellings (I've seen it spelled both ways), it seems to have a large amount of clinical trial evidence behind it...that's what I thought was most profound about it.

PAlady
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   Posted 8/24/2009 12:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Bionic,
I think (although not sure) you may be referring to sort of hybrid (really not technically accurate term) class of "remedies" called nutraceuticals (sp?)? They got sort of semi-regulated back in the 90's - for things like supplements and such. But maybe homeopathic remedies are in a different class.

I am SO taking you to the next cocktail party! smilewinkgrin

PaLady

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   Posted 8/24/2009 3:17 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
Thisw isn't the same as "Dr. Franks" pain relieving spray is it....Sounds a little hinky to me.
 
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