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BionicWoman
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   Posted 9/29/2009 10:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Look who dropped by to borrow some milk from me.. wink

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BionicWoman
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   Posted 10/2/2009 5:18 PM (GMT -7)   
PA.. the answer to one of your questions gets to be cryptic.... over 25 but under 50.. redface
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher

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   Posted 10/2/2009 6:02 PM (GMT -7)   
The baby is sooooooooooooo cute. It makes me want another. But we already have 4 and I don't want to have to buy 2 new pairs of shoelaces every week again. I'm glad that mine are old enough to have grown out of that.
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   Posted 10/2/2009 11:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Bionic,
No wonder you don't sleep!

I was thinking of this thread (or what was in my post that's now lost, but you remember - about the Humane Society issue) yesterday when I went to Petsmart. I was in the vicinity and thought I'd go look at the cats they usually have there from one of the other local shelters, and ask if I could at least feed them treats. Well, I arrived coincidentally just when the shelter (called the A.N.N.A. shelter but I can't remember what it stands for!) was putting "new" cats in the display cages. So I asked if I could give them treats and he was thrilled about it, and said I could even buy them some little toys if I wanted as not all of them had toys. I couldn't spend much money, but did make sure each one got a little toy. They played with a couple who would come and extend their paw. He explained he was never thrilled about leaving them there because at their shelter they have much more room, but that they often do get adopted that way. I asked him about volunteering at their shelter, but he said they usually do ask their volunteers to do a little more than bring in treats, but he wasn't in charge of volunteers. He suggested I stop by sometime.

Anyway, it felt good just to talk to and feed the cats again. The Humane Society has lost me, as far as I'm concerned. But I still can't commit to doing much more at any shelter. Plus with winter approaching I won't be able to drive in as much. It's about 45 minutes away, and I generally only go when I'm in the area for some other reason.

There was one little grey tabby - about a year old - really doing a sales job with me! Big green eyes. Playing, purring....it's not a question of me wanting a cat. I've got to be more settled and not feel I may have to move elsewhere do to finances in a hurry in the near future. That's the only thing stopping me. I was at my goddaughter's tonight for their son's birthday party, and got to have their cat on my lap (he's a sweetie!) and play with their yellow lab. I can always go there to visit! Or to your house!!!! LOL

How many orange and white ones do you have? I'm so partial to them because of my boy that I had for 20 years.

PaLady

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   Posted 10/3/2009 12:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I would talk to the person in charge of volunteers at that rescue anyway. What's the worst that could come of it? At the very least, you might be able to find out what time their volunteers go to clean/feed the kitties. PetSmart requires the rescues with cats in their stores have someone in at least twice a day to clean and feed, so maybe you could stumble upon them once in a while to get your fix.. tongue

I have 5 boys that are orange and white. I suppose it would be 6 if I counted the flame point Siamese, but she's not really orange and white.

Orange is a sex-linked trait, so the majority of solid orange and orange/white kitties are boys. Just another oddball, middle of the night fun fact... wink
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher


PAlady
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   Posted 10/3/2009 1:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh, the cocktail party tidbits never stop! LOL

Orange is a sex-linked trait? Interesting (of course, coming from you! wink) I never figured color to be sex-linked. It does always seem to me there are a lot of grey cats - especially tabbies. I always figured it was just my imagination.

I can't believe how late I'm up. I took an accidental "nap" around 11pm - was cold and decided to lie down on the bed just for a few minutes....

And now I'm wide awake at 4am!

PaLady shakehead

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   Posted 10/3/2009 2:38 PM (GMT -7)   
I hate it when that happens.. although the opposite usually happens to me and I can't sleep at night so I crash out in the daytime, then spiral into this upiside-down insomniac mess. smhair

Calico and tortie color patterns are also sex-linked traits, but female. They're must more strongly linked than the orange colorations, though. In fact, IF you ever happen to find a male calico or tortie (I've never met one in my entire life), the chromosomal abnormality leaves them sterile. Figures the only cats you don't need to neuter make up 1/10th of 1% of the entire population. *sigh*
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher


PAlady
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   Posted 10/3/2009 3:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow! shocked You are a learned soul!! yeah

Of course, I grew up with dogs, and only had one actual cat that was officially "my" pet, my orange and white boy who came from the neighbor's litter. My mother was allergic, so I couldn't have a cat as a child (tho' I tried to bring them home! Never worked! sad ). But I found - tho' I feel a bit guilty saying this in memory of all my past canine companions - the relationship I developed over 20 years with my cat was the strongest bond I ever had with an animal. Something about that connection that was deeper than with my dogs, although I loved them dearly, too!

Now you're going to have me checking the colors and sex of the cats at the various locations! smilewinkgrin

BTW - I've got my nights and days reversed for the most part. What I SHOULD have done last night at 11pm was go to bed and STAY THERE! But I hadn't finished all my nighttime meds yet. So I had to force myself up. Then I was up until after 6am! smhair Absolutely craziness. Some days I just want to trash all the pills and remember what life was like before them....before my meds schedule ruled my life.

Sigh.... shakehead

PaLady

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   Posted 10/5/2009 2:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Bionic with little critters like this one no wonder you are up all night,lol. I too, have my days and nights mixed up. I have not actually gone in and went to bed like a "normal" person in over a year.
 
I will go in there and lay down and prop my legs and feet up but thats about it. I fell asleep at the computer at 6:30 this morning and woke up at 12:30. Thats really unusual for me but I kept the grandson Sat over night and he did not go home till late afternoon yesterday, so I know why I was so tired,lol.
 
Interesting what you posted about the different traits of the kitties, I had no idea. My sister in W. Va. has 2 girls, 14 and 20. The 20 yr old is going deaf per my sis. For many, many years my sister had these cats trained on leashes in the house, which I told her was cruel. She did not want them running running lose in the house into everything. She finally mellowed out and threw the leashes away. The young one lays on the coffeee table now like a decoration and dares my sister to say a word lol. The older one has her a spot on the couch and she curls up there and sleeps most of the times.  My other sis has 5 cats and its a regular three ring circus. They are alot of work for her but  they are so much company to her, she is disabled and lives alone except for her cats. She has one female that likes to talk to her whenever she gets on the phone. When I call her, gracie is always in the background having a yack attack, its so funny.
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   Posted 10/5/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
It's not possible to have a male calico cat, unless the male is a mutant XXY, rather than the normal XY (very rare, and like Bionic said, he would be sterile). This is because the calico coloration is due to a phenomenon called "X-inactivation." Normal females are XX, however, in each cell, only one of the X-chromosomes is actually expressed (the non-expressed X-chromosome is called a Barr Body). In the case of calico cats, color is an X-linked trait. Therefore, in calico's one X chromosome is linked to say the orange color, and the other is linked to say black. Well, in some cells, the X chromosome linked to the orange color is the expressed X chromosome, where as in other cells, the X chromosome linked to the black color is the expressed X chromosome. Hence you get different colored patches on different areas of the body. This phenomenon can be seen in many other species, as well, where the X chromosome is linked to some visual trait, such as coat color.

....Just in case you were wondering. Hopefully I didn't bore anyone with all the science.

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   Posted 10/5/2009 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Skeye,
Not boring, but now I know why I'm not a scientist! LOL This is all kinda cool to learn.

So what about an orange female? Since Bionic got my curiousity perked, I remembered my orange and white boy's Mommy looked almost exactly like him, except she only had 3 legs (did very well, though). But he looked just like his Mommy, so how do you get an orange female?

I will prepare the cocktails, Bionic, and invite Susie and Skeye. You and Skeye can get up and make a presentation while Susie and I take notes. :-)

PaLady

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   Posted 10/5/2009 8:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Palady,

As Bionic mentioned above, the orange coloration is X-linked, so orange females should have two X chromosomes w/ an orange allele.

A party sounds fun! I can talk science forever, but I think I'll present on another topic though. Genetics is the only area of biology that I don't care for & am weak at. Vertebrate anatomy & physiology, histology, and evolution are my strongest areas. I just love science, all science! There are so many more classes I wish I could take before I graduate!

Hugs,
Skeye

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   Posted 10/5/2009 11:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah.. what skeye said.. LOL.. and for the Bionical statistics of it all, when the whole thing shakes out, it leaves about 9% of solid orange kitties being female. It's a bit higher than 9% with orange & white kitties, because of the white coloration being thrown into the mix.

I have the 5 orange and white kitties, plus 4 solid orange kitties. Of those 9 together, only 1 is a girl and she is solid orange. :)
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher


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   Posted 10/6/2009 1:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow. So my cat's Mom was kind of "special"! That's cool.

And you have 5 orange & white kitties???? ooooooo!! ahhhhh!!

PaLady :-)

BTW how's the tiny newborn doing?

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   Posted 10/9/2009 4:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Bionic,
Thought I'd share that I stopped at the Humane Society again yesteday. They had two new orange & white ones (one female) posted on their website and there were only photos for one so I wanted to check them out. Turns out they were both rather large, which is too much for me to lift (I tried). The staffer I thought had written me the e-mail wasn't the one who did, as he was out in the lobby and I asked his name. I asked who that was and he pointed to the woman behind the counter who has always been so nice to me, including giving me permission to give the cats treats, permission to give the dogs a milk bone through the holes in the gate of their kennel, permission to go into the manager's office when no one was in there but cats....she had to have said something to the director before writing me, because as I said I've hardly seen the director. But she is the one who took the treats from me about a week ago and said she'd be sure the animals got them.

Nice when someone stabs you in the back.

I also went to Petsmart, but I still brought treats for the cats at the Humane Society. Winter is coming soon, and I won't be able to drive in much, so I'm going to get my cat fix right now!

How's the baby doing?

PaLady

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   Posted 10/9/2009 5:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi PaLady:

We have had a tortie (female of course), who we adopted about 7 years ago. We adopted a german shepherd/black lab puppy the same day. My husband has wanted another cat for years and twice before we tried to bring a kitten home and our tortie (Britney) would have nothing of it - she would hiss and attack the kitten, as well as rebelling against us by peeing around the house. Both times we wound up giving the kitten back to the person we got them from.

about 6 months ago, we had a friend who's cat had 4 kittens - two orange & white striped kittens that were identical twins, and another orange & white but not striped, and then a grey & white calico. My husband desperately wanted to take 2 of them, but I really didn't think we'd even be able to keep one. Our friend allowed us to take the orange & white (no stripes) one, and the grey and white calico home for a week to see which one we felt was the best fit with out family, with the understanding that if Britney wouldn't tolerate it, we could bring them both back. My husband was hoping that if he brought home the 2, we'd all get too attached and I would give in to keeping both.

Well, Britney was not happy about it, and to this day she's not happy about it, but the grey and white one (I named her Pheobe, but my kids call her Swifty) , even at 6 weeks old stood up to Britney. Pheobe tries so hard to get Britney to play with her, but Britney will not have any part of it. Britney has at least learned to live with her presence though, and I've even caught them both laying on my bed at the same time. It's a king size bed, and they keep their distance from each other.

What I love about Pheobe is that even though she eats like crazy, she has stayed on the small side. I would guess she's about the size of a 3 month old kitten, and she has stayed that size for several months now, and I'm hoping she stays this size forever! She is the perfect size and weight for me - it doesn't hurt me to hold her like Britney does. I wish I knew how to post pictures, as I'd love to show her off.

Anyway, I hope someday you will be able to adopt one of the cats that you obviously have so much affection for. I think it's so nice that you bring them treats and give them the love and human contact that they need in order to be able to be adopted by someone.


Lorie

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   Posted 10/9/2009 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Awe, Lorie,
Thanks for the story! Animals stories are great (well, the non-abuse stories). Cats never fail to tell us when they're "pissed off"! LOL My goddaughter had to keep their orange one indoors for two weeks while he healed from a minor surgery. Well, he was none too happy after a few days and starting peeing on their bathroom throw rugs. Fortunately, something easy to pitch!

I hope one of these days I'll be able to get a cat, too!

BTW, did you keep the orange one, too?

PaLady

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   Posted 10/9/2009 6:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi PaLady:

Much to my 16 year old's dismay, we did not keep the orange & white one too. We live in a small house, and with 3 growing boys (4 if you count my husband), it just seemed like too much. I promised him that if we ever do get another cat, he will get to pick him or her out.

When we got Britney 7 years ago, it was with the understanding that I would not have to feed her or change the cat box as I am very sensitive to smells, and honestly, I could count on 1 hand how many times someone else has changed it. Thankfully, I found a fantastic kitty litter at Sam's Club that I swear I could go weeks without changing it (not that I would, but I could), and you would not smell a thing. There has been several instances where I have been hospitalized for a week or so, and of course, it's there waiting for me when I come home, and it is just amazing.

I was concerned with 2 cats that it wouldn't hold up to it, but it has.

I used to have a cat that if I scolded her for something that day, she would purposely pee somewhere that night after I went to bed! Cats are a lot smarter than a lot of us give them credit for!

One thing that Pheobe does that just cracks me up is she will crouch down real low on my bed and as Britney walks by, she tries to jump on her back and ride her like a horse! Thankfully Pheobe is so small that it doesn't hurt her, and Britney immediately dumps her off of her back, but I can't help but laugh - it looks so funny!

I have a big garden tub, and there are always things on the side. I had her water dish up there so that the dog wasn't always drinking all her water, and any time it was empty, Pheobe would knock it off of the side of the tub to let me kn
ow she wanted more. Well, she must have found it fun, so now anything she can knock off of there, she does! Several times a day!

Animals certainly bring a lot of joy and humor to our lives! I never considered myself an "animal lover" - but now I couldn't imagine life without them!

Lorie

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   Posted 10/10/2009 4:03 AM (GMT -7)   
There has been a little "event" around here with Nick that's probably worth mentioning.

Sometimes those super tiny parts are hard to figure out and I goofed... y'all say hello to Nikki.. hahahahahahaha!!!! She's spending most of her time getting spoiled rotten by her Grandma right now, because one of my other "kids" has been very, very sick.

She's doing really well, though.. growling like a weed! Her eyes are open and she's starting to waddle around a little bit. She's definitely got a mind of her own and I can't imagine she'll be taking any flack off of any other kitties anytime soon! LOL!

And as for that tortie thing.. it's called tortie-tude. redface
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher


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   Posted 10/10/2009 10:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Bionic,
Thanks for the laugh this afternoon!!! Say hello to Nikki for me! Sounds like she's got some spunk. And sounds like she's going to need it with all the others she's got to compete with!

Tortie-tude! LOL

:-)

PaLady

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   Posted 10/12/2009 12:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey PaLady go to www.heavenandearthdesigns.com
click on the left on "what's new" scroll down and look at "Kitty Witch"
It's a cross-stitch pattern, but it so very cute..thought you'd like to see it
they have other cat designs posted under "cat designs"
I'll be getting Kitty Witch from my hubby as an b-day gift and when I get it stitched up I'll let you know
but it might take awhile it has 89 colors....
hugz..
just take a look, hope it cheers you some!
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   Posted 10/12/2009 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks, Char! I'm not into cross stitch and other kinds of crafts, but I'll check it out later!

Hugs,

PaLady

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   Posted 10/12/2009 7:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Bionic I had neighbors that were into birds and they always has oodles of babies. most of the time those litlte parts showed long after they were given an incorrect name,lol. I use to tell them they were the only people I knew whose birds had an indentity crisis.

So glad to hear Nikki is developing her own little personality, they are just too cute.
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   Posted 10/13/2009 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Usually I'll go with a unisex sort of name if I'm not sure.. but I was sure (wrong!) this time.. LOL!!
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won't. ~Henry Ward Beecher


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   Posted 10/14/2009 6:05 AM (GMT -7)   
PALady,
Hope you go a chance to look at it, it'll be amazing if it stitches up good! sure will take me a year or two to finish thought,
I'm not a fast stitcher...but it's very cute to look at their designs just thought it would amaze you...

www.heavenandearthdesigns.com

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