Back and Legs Hurting so bad!!!

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FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/22/2009 8:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi All
Tough Day today.  My back is hurting so bad today I feel like reaching in and taking out my herniated discs myself.  Of course when the back is on fire and throbbing the leg pain is out of control.  Could hardly make it thru grocery store with hubby tonight getting our turkey day stuff. 
I am soon to be scheduled for some flouroscopic steriod injections and Friday was given some perocets for BT pain but that does not even seem to be taming this pain tonight.
I am in my lazyboy chair with my electric throw of course kitty is here too loves the heat and trying to keep my mind off the pain. cry I hope U are all having a good pain free evening.
Thanks for listening.
Rhonda
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Fibromyalgia, DDD, 2 herniated Lumbar discs, OsteoArthritis Lumbar, Migraine, Dysthmic Disorder, Anxiey, Panic Attacks, OsteoArthritis Knee, Carpal Tunnel both hands, Currently Double Depression


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   Posted 11/22/2009 8:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Do you have a portable tens unit at home? if not you might want to consider getting one for home use,
it helps on bad days, Friday was somewhat bad for me as I kept having muscle spasm after
muscle spasm, that even my la-z-boy didn't help...maybe a warm shower or bath with some epson salts..
sure wish I knew what else you could try...
Lots of soft hugz and sure hope your back calms down soon....
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Keep us posted and hope you can get your injections soon!
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Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 11/22/2009 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
   Good Evening Funny! What mg of Percocet are you on? .....a #5 or a #10? ......it may make a big difference. I tryed the #5's and they did little, the went on the #10, and that was the ticket for me for several yrs. I'm also guessing you are scheduled for an Epidural. If you are, and they offer a 2nd one in two weeks....take it! Many times it takes the 2nd one for them to kick in. Please keep  us posted here.
 
  Michael

FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/22/2009 8:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Chart
Funny to hear from you I just posted on one of your posts about eyes  How is that doing? Better i hope?
Yes I have seen people mention the Tens thing so may look that up.  I would have to get my son to scrub my tub to take a bath.  Hubby won't clean.  But I was told like 3 times by Back Pain Doc No bending Do not bend ...  So if I can get the boy to clean my tub need a very clean tub to take a bath you know I will take a soak.  Thanks for the info.  Hope u are well!
 
Hi Michael
 
They are 5's so if I take 2 at once would that be the same as 10's? Or is it mean something else?  Yes as soon as Tricare approves it and they can get me in should be soon I hope I will fly over there for the shots.  Don't particularly like needles but I was a Marine  OORAH!  I can take it.  It can't be worse then this pain tonight or other times.
 
You both have a good night and thanks for the advise and nice words.
Rhonda
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Fibromyalgia, DDD, 2 herniated Lumbar discs, OsteoArthritis Lumbar, Migraine, Dysthmic Disorder, Anxiey, Panic Attacks, OsteoArthritis Knee, Carpal Tunnel both hands, Currently Double Depression


White Beard
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   Posted 11/22/2009 9:14 PM (GMT -7)   
FunnyGurl
You have TriCare are you retired? or a military dependent? Just curious as I am retired Air Force and TFL TriCare for Life is my secondary to my Medicare from SSD. I do hope you can get those Epidurals soon, and I hope they give you relief!

Good Luck to YOU

White Beard

Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 11/22/2009 9:21 PM (GMT -7)   
     Funny.....I knew you were going to ask me that, and you know, I'm not really sure, but I think so. You will hear this over, and over here.....call your PCD, and ask them. All I can tell you is that when I went to a #10, it made a big difference in my relief. I'm sure White Beard or Stray Dog or PaLady can give you a better answer. I'm very careful with my meds, and make sure my PCD knows everything I'm doing concerning my meds.

White Beard
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   Posted 11/22/2009 9:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Screaming Eagle

The difference between the two different strengths is only the amount of Oxycodone, one has 5mg and the other has 10mg they both have 325mg of acetaminophen so it is not the same as taking two 5mg Percocets as doing that you get 650mg acetaminothen

White Beard

FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/22/2009 10:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Screaming E  Yea I thought that might be the case. 
 
WB My hubby is retired Marine so we have tricare prime.  I am only a dependent and a former Marine  oorah.
 
Thanks again i hope it is soon too for the shots!
 
 
Humour is always the Best Medicine!
 
Fibromyalgia, DDD, 2 herniated Lumbar discs, OsteoArthritis Lumbar, Migraine, Dysthmic Disorder, Anxiey, Panic Attacks, OsteoArthritis Knee, Carpal Tunnel both hands, Currently Double Depression


bsjaguar
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   Posted 11/23/2009 4:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Funny, I'm scheduled for facet injection at L-5/S-1 for Dec. 14. The doctor is trying to pinpoint the area that is causing my lower lumbar pain which radiates into my hips. Earlier I had and injection into my bulging disc at L-2/3 and got 2 months of relief from it.
Alot of these injections are for diagnostic use to try to figure out what exactly is causing your pain and possibly they can do a procedure to damage the nerve so it can't send pain signals to the brain. This procedure is called RF or nerve abalation or something like that.
We'll have to keep each other posted. We may learn from one another.

Possibly you could speak to your doctor about trying and extended release med like oxycontin which is the same as percocet but without the tylenol and you take this every 12 hrs. There are also morphine based extended release meds available. I wouldn't just tell them you want these but ask if maybe they would be something you could try if the doctor thinks they may help your pain.
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FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/23/2009 6:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jag
Yes we probably can learn from one another or me from you at least.  Yes the Doc asked me a question that must have shocked me I remember feeling surprised and thinking OMG.
He said "Do you think you have permanent nerve damage?"  I answered him "Yes, Maybe" "But I hope Not"  The Doc said "Well We will try to figure that out"
But it really scared me to think that is some of this may be permanent.  I have been having problems off and on for years with some low back issues but has worsened considerably in last 2 years. 
Had alot of workups in 07 early 08 ending with a neurosurgeon at that time saying lets just wait it out we don't want to open a can of worms ( regarding surgery). Which my current Doc said was a good conservative measure at that time.
But esp the last 3 months or so it has been painful and is really affecting my life. Plus now I have alot of arthritis which was not there before. 
So we will see what can be done to make it better.
I do not work mostly due to the Fibro and fatigue occasionally do some light work for my husbands manufacturing business  but I do not want to have back pain and leg/nerve pain everyday either.
Sorry it is so long but wanted to explain a bit more of the back history and  please keep me updated on your procedures.
One good thing is this Back Pain specialist Doc is great and I feel comfortable under his care.
Talk to you soon
Rhonda :-)
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Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 11/23/2009 6:39 AM (GMT -7)   
   Funny....I have to give two thumbs up on the Oxycontin, as it has done wonders for me. However they only last around 8 to 9hrs on me. As for the surgery....you will hear many here, that will warn you to try everything else first, and I agree with that to a point. If you go to long and you do permanent damage, you may be sorry you went too long. I could be wrong here, but DDD does not get better with time. Your best advice will come from your PCD, and possibley a good good nero/surgeon.  Please keep us all posted on your progress.
 
   Michael

FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/23/2009 8:40 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Michael

Yes I am afraid I may have waited to long to get back to a back doctor.  When the Doc asked if I thought the nerve damage was permanent that freaked me out.  Maybe I do not know.

Nobody has really answered my question of why Doc was so adament about not bending?  Can it cause any serious problems I should be aware of?  Any info would be appreciated at leaast to ease my mind on the matter.

Thanks again

Rhonda


Humour is always the Best Medicine!
 
Fibromyalgia, DDD, 2 herniated Lumbar discs, OsteoArthritis Lumbar, Migraine, Dysthmic Disorder, Anxiey, Panic Attacks, OsteoArthritis Knee, Carpal Tunnel both hands, Currently Double Depression


White Beard
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   Posted 11/23/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -7)   
FunnyGurl
Bending over puts pressure on the disks, ( squishes them so to speak) if the disks are herniated and putting pressure on the nerve roots coming out of the spine anyway, then by bending over and squishing the disk more could and probably does cause the disk to put even more pressure on the nerve roots, thus causing more and more pain. But even worse this can damage the nerves and also if the disk is pushing on the spinal cord it self then that is even worse! So I assume that might be one reason that your Doc doesn't want you bending over or lifting anything heavy! You know that putting off surgery is a double edged sword, yes you can incur more damage from surgery, but by not haveing it you can also incur more damage, and it could very well be worse! Depending on what disk are bad I guess has allot to do with wheather you should put it off. The high up in the back or neck you go, the more catastrophic the results can be if you let it go to long! After this last surgery I had done I would not hesitate to have it done again! It was successfull and really was easy, at least compared to my first fusion!

Good Luck to You

White Beard

FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/23/2009 12:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Heh White Beard
That makes sense about the bending over part.  It was just the way he said scared me.  Yea he said no heavy lifting and work smart. 
I have severe DDD in the lwr lumbar
2 bad herniated discs at L5 and S1 and newest thing is osteroarthritis in the same general area.  This has been going on pretty bad like this for 2 1/2 yrs.  Worsened in last 3 months.
Thanks for the info
Rhonda
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bsjaguar
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   Posted 11/23/2009 1:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Funny, The arthritis has possibly been caused by the herniated disc and DDD. The disc are there to keep the vertebre separated and in alignment. When a herniation occurs this allows the vertebre to rub together which in turn causes osteophytes also known as bone spurs. This in actuality is arthritis of the spine. My surgeon said that when he did my lumbar fusion part of his time was spent cleaning out the bone spurs that had developed. With DDD your disc get dried out allowing the vertebre to touch which causes all kinds of problems, including bone spurs. Anyway, this is how I understand arthritis of the spine.

Jump right in if I have this wrong cause I'd like to know. This CP stuff can get confusing sometimes.
---Jag---
 
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Screaming Eagle
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   Posted 11/23/2009 6:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Good Evening Funny!....I have to agree completley with White Beard here. I have visited with a surgeon already, and he says the same things as White. I will have my fusion done this coming February. If yours is severe as you say, you may want to consider the surgery. Just know that there are risk involved to it. I have put mine off for the last 2 to 3yrs, and my PCD says I'm way past due, especially for the type of meds that I'm on. Between you and me, I'm tired of taking the med's and feeling like a truck ran over me all the time. Let us know what you decide to do and keep us posted.

FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/23/2009 6:45 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Jag TU for the info on arthritis.  The Doc did not talk about it much just showed me on the xray all the white fluffy stuff.  Said after we take care of the nerve/leg pain we will adress the back and arthritis.

I had an MRI in Feb or Jan 08 and did not see that mentioned on report nor did neurosurgeon mention it for f/u appt. Maybe just overlooked or not important at the time I guess.  Could it happen that fast?  Doc on Friday said there was alot of it.

Thanks Screaming E

Yes The Doc said we will discuss some options including surgery.  He firsts wants to do these injections having alot of back pain and leg/nerve pain.  He added percocet to the mix of what I already am on for back and fibro.  It helps some. 

Yes I may seriously consider surgery if it is an option for me. I cannot live like this forever or have it get worse.  Don't even want to think that way.

Take care all and thanks for the good advise.

Rhonda

 


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Fibromyalgia, DDD, 2 herniated Lumbar discs, OsteoArthritis Lumbar, Migraine, Dysthmic Disorder, Anxiey, Panic Attacks, OsteoArthritis Knee, Carpal Tunnel both hands, Currently Double Depression


bsjaguar
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   Posted 11/24/2009 4:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Funny, alot of insurance companies won't ok you for surgery until you have tried other treatments first. I worked with a guy once that was scheduled by his doctor for surgery in the cervical area to remove bone spurs but his insurance company denied it because he hadn't tried other less invasive procedures first. Just a heads up for you. I hope the injections work for you and just to let you know I've had alot of injections in various areas of my body and have never found any of them to be overly painful. You'll do just fine!!!!
---Jag---
 
DDD, osteoarthritis, fusion surgeries C-5/7 & L-4/5 both in 2006, torn meniscus left knee 2000 & 2002, buldging disc L-2/3


FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/24/2009 8:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Jag for the info
yeah I do not even know if surgery is right for me or if I may choose it after all I read.
But Dr mentioned if we can get rid of some of the leg/nerve pain  or we will work on that first then we will consider other options for back and arthritis pain/problems like surgery, and other treatments. Doc did not go into detail so not sure what treatment or procedures he is referring too it was my first appt with him.  All I know is I am being scheduled for the steroid injections and he offered me percocets for pain I did not ask him.  But he said you are in alot of pain aren't you?  And how is the tramadol you take working for BT pain? The percoets are helping but still in pain if you can undersstand what I mean.
 
But surgery does scares me.  But my back and leg pain getting worse scares me too. confused
Humour is always the Best Medicine!
 
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White Beard
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   Posted 11/24/2009 11:26 AM (GMT -7)   
FunnyGurl
Surgery is scary and to be honest there are no easy or really good options for a gruaranteed fix! Surgery works for some really well and not for others. But letting it go is not a good option either, bone spurs and arthritis does not go away, and impingement on the spinal cord and nerve roots just gets worse. If the impingement gets to bad it can cause permanent damage, and then surgery has less benefit and pain and disability remain. If the surgery is done before that can happen there is a much better chance of success! Most Doctors do not want to do surgery until all other avenues have been explored, especially the epidural steroid injections, as was mentioned by others this is often done not to just relief pain, but also as a diagonstic tool to confirm what the problem is and where it is at! So it is good to have the injections! I guess the thing I have found allot of Doctors just don't understand the pain one suffers from this type of problem! I know when I had my first disk fusion at C6-7 I was in the military, I went through H*** it was really bad, and the military Doctor just made everything worse! When I ended up finally having the surgery it turned out to be a life threatening situation! I was extremely lucky way things turned out, somebody was definitely watching over me then! Anyway I have permanent nerve damage from it and it has caused me many problems over the years! My herniated disk at T-12 none of the Doctors will touch nor the bone spurs in the Thorasic area. That put me on permanently disability and the pain meds! Not long ago when the Docs told me surgery was needed for C5-6 I did not hesitate, I knew from a few years earlier that it was eventually going to be needed. And I did not want to go through what I went through back in 85. It was a very good decision this surgery done the trick and I am happy that it went so well!



I don't envy you, I know well the pain that you have! And the uncertainty you face as to what to do! But we are all here to support you in your quest for relief! That is the nice thing about this forum your not alone in this!



Good Luck to You



White Beard

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   Posted 11/24/2009 12:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Rhonda,
 
One thing I do not see you mentioning is any type of medication for your nerve pain. Regular pain meds will not touch nerve pain, you need a drug that is specifically for nerve pain. All the pain meds in the world will not help with that type of pain.  Many people get put on Lyrica, Neurotin or Cymbalta for their nerve pain. I am not sure, I cannot remember but if you have Fibro too, many people are having  good results with Lyrica for their Fibro too. Its a matter of ramping up the dosage to get the full benefit. This may be something you want to discuss with your dr.
 
One thing I would like to point out is if it looks like you are a surgical candidate, please keep in mind,  the folks on this forum did not have good results from their surgeries so their stories are not going to be talking about successful surgeries. I would limit talking to people about surgery simply because for some reason folks have a tendancy to exaggerate everything and blow it out of proportion and end up doing nothing but scaring you to death. Get on the web and educate yourself at reputable web sites. You might ask the surgeon if one of his patients that have had surgery would be willing to talk to you. This can be a very good source of info for you.
 
Yes, waiting too long many times can ruin the possibility of getting the nerve pain taken care of by having surgery. The nerves in our bodies are very complicated, they must heal on their own. If a person waits too long on having surgery sometimes the nerve damage is irreversible. This happened to a very good friend of mine. She waited too long and ended up with permanent nerve damage and a permanent limp. I will offer up having a good neurosurgeon taking care of things simply because they are more educated when it comes to the nerves. Surgeons are great for the bones but not with dealing with nerve problems. Thats been my experience in the past.
 
Take care and I wanted to pass on the info about the nerve pain.


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FunnyGurl
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   Posted 11/24/2009 2:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Straydog
Yes I have Fibro.  I have tried Lyrica but side effect of blurry vision would not stop.  Also tried Neurontin twice.  Could not get over the side effects of nausea and not being able to speak at times.
The new pain doctor after telling this said that some of his patients who cannot take this type of meds are put on a low dosage of methadone for nerve pain.  I think he is going to try me on that after the upcoming steroid injections.
Yes I have been looking at other sites as well.  Not sure if I am a candidate for surgery of not.
Was told in mar 08 by a very good neurosurgeon to wait and potentially open a can of worms whatever that meant.
But this Doc mentioned if the nerve pain is helped and still have back pain we can consider surgery and /or other options for back and arthritis.
But yes I agree waiting may be a long shot but working on it now.
Also do see some success stories here and on other sites plus have met people who have had back surgeries and feel great now.
Thanks again
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   Posted 11/24/2009 9:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Well shoot, so sorry none of the "nerve meds " can be taken by you. Its tough getting nerve pain under control. Uniquely Me is a member here and she is our expert on Methadone. I do not know about it being used specifically for nerve pain though. I do know a lot of people get put on Methadone for pain and it can be very effective and its cheap. Methadone is a long term use drug only. It is not something to be used as a temporary type of pain killer. It has a half life that stays in the body. It is a drug to be thought on long and hard before ever taking it. Many times once a person starts on it they cannot take any other kind of pain meds afterwards, its a tough one. You can do a quick search here at the forum on Methadone and can read about it for info. I hope the your procedure brings you relief. I had both my neck and back done before.


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   Posted 11/25/2009 8:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Straydog for the info I will try to get up with U me when I can. Yes the pain Doc said he gives it to some of his patients who have trouble with other nerve pills and does not go over a certain amount very low like 5 mg 1 or 3 x a day forgot now fibro fog. But yes I knew they use it for pain as well and looked it up for nerve pain. Now I have read some people bio and they are on methadone and vicodan or percocet and methadone etc so I guess u can but I will look into that. The Doc ended up giving me percocets for now.
Straydog the long term use of any thing like methadone or opioids does scare me. I may try a nerve pill again to see if I can handle it any better. I do not work now so blurry vision or forgetting words and nausea etc may not be that bothersome.
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   Posted 11/25/2009 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   

White Beard

Sorry I must have scanned right over your last post.

Yes I am definately afraid I have maybe made a mistake by not getting a second opioun sp?

in mar 08 when neurosurgeon said wait don't want to open a can of worms. But has not improved and recently even became worse.  But in the care of a good Doc now so we will see what happens now.  If it is the right thing to do then I am sure I will choose the proper path.

I have enough pain with migraine mostly controlled with preventive but also have fibro and a few other lovely conditions.  If I can get rid of one that would be a wonderful thing.

Pain begets more Pain...

I am glad u were able to find some relief from some surgeries and seem to be fairing well from them.

Thanks again and Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

 


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