What is it with Dr.'s and Pain Medicine?

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SadSickTired
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   Posted 2/4/2010 3:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey there!
   I am usually in the fibro forum but I was hoping I could get some opinions over here because I do have chronic pain.  I have tried all of the "preventative" types of medicines.  Almost all were designed as anti-seizure or anti-depressant so its hit and miss person to person.  Unfortunately, for me, most were misses.  And those that were hits didn't last long.  As in they started out great but 2 months into using it they lost their effectiveness and they were really expensive. 
  I have been to 6 doctors in 9 months.  Before being dx'd my family doctor (I call him Dr. Great Guy- self explanatory!) put me on Vicodin to deal with the pain I had all over my body while I was trying to find out what was wrong with me.  And it worked- and it still works, but Dr. GG isn't a pain mgt doctor and he didn't feel comfortable leaving me on it long term.  So I went to rheumies and finally got a dx and a second opinion.  But like I said none of the drugs made to help fibro worked for me.  So I went to a pain doctor that I was referred to that was 2 hours from home.  That doc wanted me to take methadone.  Ok, but he required monthly drug tests and at each one I would get my next prescription.  But a two hour trip (four hours round trip) into a not so nice part of the city wasn't really doable for me because he didn't have office hours on my days off.  And my employer is not so supportive of my condition.
  So Dr. GG set me up with another one close to home- and this guy doesn't believe in pain medicine (duh why are you in pain mgt?) so he put me on the last medicine that I hadn't tried (I had tried one very similar) and had a bad reaction- allergy- swelling not being able to breathe and oh the hives!    I am TIRED of having people tell me that I have to live with the pain.  My question is WHY? 
  If prescription pain medicines exist why can't I use them?  Cause they can be dangerous?  So is fibromyalgia pain.  It threatens to ruin my life every day, and a lot of days it succeeds.  I see people all over these forums that are on Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin and all types of pain killers long term.  These are good, kind, upstanding people that just want to be pain free.  Why is it so hard for me to get that kind of help?  And better yet, why is it hard for me to get that kind of help without being looked at like a druggie???  I have a legitimate need and dx of a pain disease,  why is it so hard for me to get help?  I have to work (about 50 hours a week at a warehouse and no, quitting is not an option).   Please can anyone help me go about getting the medicine that I need to control this pain through a doctor?  I don't mean to sound rude, but I really don't want suggestions of diet, exercise or supplements.  I already do yoga, take ALL the supplements that have ever been thought to help.   I need help learning to make these doctors understand what I need.  And also what types of doctors are the best equipped to help me stay on the right path and control of these medicines.  Please can anyone help me??  Oh and i am sorry if I tend to ramble I am just so frustrated and miserable.  Please help me.  Please.
 
Thanks!
   Trish
 
Dx'd with Fibromyalgia, High Blood Pressure, TMJ & Migraines
Atenelol (50 mgs/day)  Vicodin (1000mg as needed).  Oh and a LOVELY retainer for the TMJ! 
 


Linx
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   Posted 2/4/2010 5:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello,
I'm sorry to hear that you are having such difficulty and I can relate as my PCP is doing the same thing. He has me on hydrocodone 5-500's which do nothing for pain. I think for myself I have to remember when I go in that I need to let him know that I have the upper hand so to speak. This last visit I "told" him to send me to a pain clinic. He agreed which shocked me. You are the consumer so you need to "tell" them not ask for what you need. Your the one suffering not them and so you have a right to be pain free. I know I sound harsh but I'm tired like you of doctors giving me the "run around". When I go to this pain clinic I need to remember that same thing that I'm in control and what I say will go......I'm not a druggie I'm a person in pain and have a LIFE to live....I wish you the best and hope that you can get what you need from these people and keep posting because it helps to vent.....

skeye
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   Posted 2/4/2010 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Trish,

Sorry to hear that you are having such a rough time. All I can say is don't give up! I can't tell you how many doctors I had to go through to get the fantastic team that I have now. I saw some horrible doctors. I think you'll hear a similar story from a lot of us.

There's nothing easy about being a CP patient. You have to be your own advocate. As hard as it can be you have to speak up. Let your doctors know how much your pain affects your life. Make a list of all the medications that you have been on/each procedure that you have had so that you can show each doctor exactly what you have tried & what worked and what didn't. Hand this sheet to each new doctor as soon as they walk in the room. That way, instead of wasting time suggesting things you have already tried, they can think of new solutions. Take someone with you (a family member, etc) to your appointments so that they can advocate for you if you cannot (we all have those moments where we freeze and don't say what we want to/need to say). Just keep searching & keep an open mind. Hopefully your PCP will be willing to keep up your treatment until you find a permanent PM.

As for the PM who does not prescribe, that isn't extremely uncommon. Some doctors don't feel comfortable prescribing or are just looking for more money from doing strictly procedures. When you speak to the receptionist of a new doctor on the phone, ask what kind of treatment they provide. Also, drug tests are pretty common place. Usually you have to sign a pain contract when you start pain meds & one of the things in the contract is random or scheduled drug tests. They aren't made to make you feel like you are an addict, but rather to make sure that you are taking your meds as prescribed & aren't taking anything you shouldn't be (in other words, protecting your PM's butt). Unfortunately for every 100 people who take their meds as prescribed, there is one who doesn't & that one makes life miserable for the rest of us.

Good luck!

hugs,
Skeye

White Beard
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   Posted 2/4/2010 11:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Trish
I understand your frustration, and your situation is difficult at the very best. So many Doctors are not comfortable prescribing pain meds over long periods of time, and good Pain Management Doctors seem to be far and few between. A two hour drive is a long way to go, especially if it is in an area where you don't feel safe, but unfortunately Pain as you and I and everyone here knows, is a very personal, it is not something that is tangiable and easily described and measured. Our culture seems to have adopted a "suck it up" "grin and bare it" type of attitude about pain, and those who don't are considered weak! It is surprising the number of Doctors that exhibit that type of attitude! How many people have heard at one time or another,(" according to the tests ( MRI, X-Rays, EMG's what ever) you should not be in as much pain as you seem to be!") And they make you feel like you are making it up or that it is all in your head, and your a psych case! I have learned in Nursing School and working on an Oncology unit, that Pain is what ever a person says it is! Period end of story! And you treat it! But Cancer patients are in a special category and pain is accepted and expected with that type of condition! But even then, pain is often not adequately treated! Good medications that can treat pain in terminally ill cancer patients, are not available here in the states!

I am fortunate that I have an excellent Pain Management Doctor and I only have to drive 40 miles one way to see him. But Trish I do understand and sympathize with you. A person should not have to live in pain! With our vast medical technology you would think that we could do a better job at treating pain in our country! I wish I had a adequate answer for your dilemma, I can only suggest that you try keeping a pain journal and document when and how often you have pain and what you are doing when it occurs, and how intense it is and what it feels like an how long it last. Then when you see your Doctor, let him see it or give him/her examples from it and let they know that is is not acceptable for you to live this way!

I do wish you well and hope that you can find a Doctor who can adequately treat your pain.

White Beard

PAlady
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   Posted 2/4/2010 11:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Trish,
Oh, I wish I had some magic news for you, but sadly (part of your name - all too accurate) this is the path many of us have to take and, if we get lucky, we manage to find some doctors or at least one decent one to help with our pain. It's not uncommon to have to travel, though, but I kind of question that doc's wanting to put you on methadone right away. There are a lot of other options, especially if the vicodin was helping you. I'm not a doctor and am only sharing my opinions, but while methadone can be great for pain for some people, it's usually only tried if other things haven't worked.

I think Skeye has given you some great advice. One thing I would caution though is not to "tell" your doctor that you want a certain medicine, as that can be a sign of drug-seeking to many docs. (another said truth - we're often viewed that way) BUT I would do as Skeye suggested and make a list of all the things - drugs, procedures, etc. - that you've tried and since you have what sounds like a pretty decent relationship with Dr. GG, I'd bring that to him first (and he was also the one prescribing the vicodin, which helped you, and I would emphasize that it DID help you) and be assertive and say you've gone to all these other doctors, and this is what has happened, and that you just want some quality of life back and is he willing to help you get it. Maybe that will mean prescribing some vicodin for the short run, and asking him to help you find a PM that would continue WITH WHAT WORKS. If he's willing to get on the phone with a PM doc, and tell him the vicodin helps, doctor -to-doctor, then at least you'd know before you go to another doc whether he/she is willing to help.

I know, it's a huge job. Huge. Tiring. Your name says it all. I'm going to have to travel over 2 hrs. to get pain management, and am waiting for winter to end to do that.

Don't know if this helps, but believe me we do understand your frustration!

PaLady

Jim1969
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   Posted 2/4/2010 12:22 PM (GMT -7)   
There are two related fears running through the medical community. The first is the fear of creating a bunch of drug addicts and the second is getting caught creating drug addicts and losing your license and going to jail and with many doctors these fears override all of the individual findings as well as all of the studies done on how pain in general and chronic pain both have negative effects on a person's mental and physical well being.

In many ways those of us who need aggressive pain management as well as those doctors who are responsible and would like to help are being punished because of what amounts to a handful of people (percentage wise). Yes there are those who become addicted and yes there are those doctors who will prescribe what ever, when ever either to just shut a patient up or because of money or both, and there likely always will be but the response in some ways is non proportional to the problem and ends up, IMHO, doing more harm than good.
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straydog
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   Posted 2/4/2010 2:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Trish and welcome to the CP forum. I see some of the others have posted to you their thoughts and ideas of what is wrong with the medical community and treating pain in individuals. It's a sorry mess that is for sure. There are more under treated CP patients than adequately treated CP patients. I have been on both sides of that fence, and its not fun.
 
I suggest that you download the pain diary that Chutz has put under CP101 and make a diary of your pain and give it to the dr, starting with your PCP. Now you already know how is not going to be willing to rx the medication you need long term so that is a dead horse. Very few PCP's will rx pain meds these days for more than 10 days . Why is this  they do not want to be responsible for a patient that may become addicted, may sell the script, they want nothing coming back on them, end of story. If a dr writes a lot of scripts for even vicodin you can be assured he will get red flagged and he will get a visit from the DEA and have an audit done. They want no part of this, no dr does. With all the hype about drugs in the news, on the radio and all over the newspaper they are scared to death. Unfortunately, the drug seekers, abusers users and sellers have ruined it for the legitimate people. But perhaps if he had something tangible in his hands to get an idea of what you are going thru it may get him to rx the medication until you can find a decent PM dr. Please be assured your PCP is not singling you out, it is this way with about 97% of them. One thing I suggest is you remind your PCP and any other dr you may see that you work long hours and intend on continuing to work as you must make a living, and these long hours keep your condition aggravated.
 
Whenever you get a call a new PM dr has been found, call that new one's office and ask what all he does in terms of pain mgt and does he write prescriptions for pain meds besides doing procedures. Some PM drs do procedures only and will not write a script for pain meds. Also ask if this dr treat Fibro patients, I would ask that question first.
 
Yes, we do often see many drs before we find one that can and will take care of us in the manner we deserve. There are also a lot of under educated PM drs out there, too. If they don't know much about medications you are sunk, been there & done that.
 
Making a list of meds you have tried and how they affected you is really important when seeing a new dr. Never tell a dr you want a medication by name. All that will get you is him booting you out of his office and he will write it in your chart that you are a drug seeker and that will make a paper trail that follows you around. Thats why it is important to make a list of medications you have tried and anything you have tried besides medication. Yes, we do many times have to advocate for our care and this is something I am afraid is only going to get worse.
 
Good luck and getting a new dr, just don't give up.
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


golitho
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   Posted 2/4/2010 5:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Trish, you've been given some excellent advice that I can only say the pain diary is a good place to start. It gives them something concrete to work with. Finding specialists who listen and who treat you well is not easy. We all go through hoops at times trying to find the right team. I groan having to see new drs, I'm sick of my story and can't be bothered going through it all. Recording everything you've taken and your reaction to it. What you can do with pain relief and without. How much the pain is impacting on you...it all helps them realise you just want a semblance of a normal life, you are not drug seeking etc.

Goodluck with your search, golitho

Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 2/4/2010 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   
 
     Dear Trish,
 
      Good evening. I cannot remember if I have introduced myself or not, so please forgive me if I have. My name is Dani and it a pleasure to meet you. *warm huggs*
 
      I am terribly sorry!! That you are being treated in such an inapproiate manner. One thing I can tell you is that you should keep looking for a doctor who you feel comfortable with. No matter what. Here is why. I have.... painfull problems to say the least. I was sent to a pain management specialist initally, before any tests were done 2yrs ago, and you know that educated (certianly not born yesterday) man said to me just as plain as day," Your too young, you dont have pain." I kidd you not. Then promptly sent me on my way. A doctor that my primary care doctor trusted enough to send me to. Goodness everyone was so surpised, shock, and yes, angry. Later, he did apologize to me. I know he was very sorry.... But, a simply X ray would have told him all he needed to know.
 
     So I guess, what I am trying to say is please, dont give up. And don't think you EVER have to stay with a doctor or a treatment plann that you do not feel comfortable with. I know it is hard, and I know it eats up time and money we really dont have to give... but you are worth it. Your comfort is worth it. Your quality of life is most certianly worth it. Stay strong!
 
*hugg*
  dani

 

 

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood

 

 


bsjaguar
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   Posted 2/5/2010 4:59 AM (GMT -7)   

I see you are in the Chicago area so my PM doc is too far away for you to go to, he is in Ft. Wayne, IN.  Not sure if any of our members are closer to your area to give you suggestions for a new doctor.  Anyone in the Chicago area here?

One obstacle you may be facing is your job.  I was working in a factory before and no doctor would write a narcotic script because of the fact that I worked around moving equipment plus drove forklift for 10 yrs.  My PCP did write me a script for Ultracet, generic is Tramadol, though.  It is a non-narcotic pain med that did help at the time.  This was several years ago and since my pain levels have increased to the point where I am unable to work the doctors probably feel more comfortable prescribing stronger pain meds. 

 

 

 
---Jag---
 
DDD, osteoarthritis, fusion surgeries C-5/7 & L-4/5 both in 2006, torn meniscus left knee 2000 & 2002, buldging disc L-2/3


deb in indiana
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   Posted 2/5/2010 10:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Jag i must live close to u i live in Huntington Indiana my dr.main office is in Ft.Wayne but he has Many I wonder if we go to the same doctor
Deb

White Beard
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   Posted 2/5/2010 10:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Deb

Your talking about my old stomping grounds, I was born in Ft. Wayne, moved away when I was young, but most of my relatives still live over there. My Grandparents use to live in Monroeville. I still have cousins that live there! and in Ft. Wayne. It has been a couple of years since I have been over there. It has changed so much over the years!

White Beard

SadSickTired
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   Posted 2/6/2010 1:58 AM (GMT -7)   
I have to say that Healingwell has always been a comfort to me, but this particular post has meant so much to me. Every single person who replied made me feel better, stronger and less alone. So thank you all for taking the time to share you thoughts, experiences and ideas with me. I can't tell you how much it has meant and educated me. I will take all of you with me to my next appointment on Friday- in spirit anyway!!! Thank you!!! You all ROCK!
Thanks!
   Trish
 
Dx'd with Fibromyalgia, High Blood Pressure, TMJ & Migraines
Atenelol (50 mgs/day)  Vicodin (1000mg as needed).  Oh and a LOVELY retainer for the TMJ! 
 


straydog
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   Posted 2/6/2010 5:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Trish please let us know how the appt goes.
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


Mike1x
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   Posted 2/6/2010 1:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello SST,
I feel your pain No I han't Fibro but I suffer the pain from Syatica (If it is spelt right?) I have been on Methodone for almost 7 or more years, to the point now that I want to have my dosage reduced. It is not that the meds don't work, they do and sometimes don't but more so than not they have me in check. The problem with most Pain Management MD's is they have been taken advantage of by BS artists and then people who really need these Doctor' are the ones that suffer because of some A-Hole who took advantage of the MD thus making his trust factor a no show even when nhe or she feels that the patient is in real need of assistance.
 
Still in my case I want something other than Methodone for my pain I feel that I have been on it too long, my hair texture has changed and I have gained weight that I can not get rid of. I know that I am having severe pain and have been a sufferer for almost thirty years or more, when I was younger it didn't bother me as much as I was more active I was always out and about now a days I don't want to go anywhere, greatly attributed to my depression still I can't afford to do the things that I did back then as my pockets aren't as deep as they were then. smilewinkgrin
 
I had an accident while in theMarine Corps. and suffer from it's effects now my hip, back and shoulder create a pain combined that you would not believe nevertheless I want to change my meds I sincerely believe that I have been on this one too long. Check this out; I recently received a letter from the VA claiming that I have been a ":substance abuser" which is not the truth I was placed in this program by a VA doctor in order to receive my meds without hinderance, and now I receive this notice from them I feel it is slanderous but what can I do accept remove myself from the program and find another type medication for my chronic pain. So, I sincerely understand your dilema as I would imagine I will find myself in the same position once I remove myself from this program.
 
I wish you much luck in finding what you need, someplace close to your home and something that is not going to clean out your bank account once you start using it. I don't suggest Methodone though because it is highly addictive and from what I have heard and experienced it gets into your bones and organs. I once tried to do with out my meds and found myself in withdrawal after the third or fourth day, it was so bad till it took me two days to feel normal but still stiff I want nothing more to do with it but I have to have them reduce my dosage slowly so that I will not feel like that again.
 
I don't suggest that you get on anything that you can't control yourself, even though I have empathy for you, and a complete understanding of what you are suffering, still I suggest that you find something that has less of a stigma attached to it and something that you have complete control over.
 
Respectfully,
 
Mike1x
 
PS, I babble also please forgive me turn 

SnowyLynne
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   Posted 2/6/2010 1:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I have pain every day from Osteoarthritis.I refuse pain meds as they make me feel awful,plus tear up my gut......I just use Tylenol extra strength,it works for me.......
SnowyLynne


straydog
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   Posted 2/6/2010 1:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Mike,
 
I do not believe I have met you before and I would like toi say welcome to Healing Well. I am very glad you found us and I do hope that you will stay around and hang out with us. I think you will find this to be a terrific group of caring people. If you have not done so already I would like to encourage you to make an intro thread of your own so the others members can welcome you and say hi. I don't know how many will see your post here.
 
Yes, everything you said about CP and how we are treated is right on the money. So sad, but very true. Ruined by a sorry lot but decent folks are the ones paying the price for them.
 
I can understand wanting to get off Methadone. As you say it can be a wonderful pain reliever for many, but in all honesty I just think it is a drug that only should be used as a last resort when everything else has failed. It comes with its own set of rules and regulations so to speak. One of our other members here at the forum, Uniquely Me has been on Methadone I believe about 7 yrs and like you she is wanting off of it. Sje feels its has lost its punch and she says she is on a fairly high dose. She tried previously getting off of it and onto something else which was not successful, I sure hope she can make the switch this time around.
 
Please, please get medical help getting off the Methadone. It is just too serious of a drug to attempt reducing on your own. I am assuming you see a PM dr at the VA, can he help you with this? I sure hope so. Anyway, I wanted to stop by and say hi and welcome aboard. Take care and please let us hear from you. 
 
Snowy I am very glad to hear that you are able to manage your pain with Tylenol. Boy, wouldn't it be great if all of us would be that lucky, sure would save us a lot of money and grief. By all means count yourself lucky.
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


PAlady
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   Posted 2/6/2010 7:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Purpleone,
I have reported your post to the administrator. This is against the forum rules, and it appears you're trying to advertise on several of the forums here.

PaLady

Mike1x
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   Posted 2/6/2010 7:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Stray,
I thank you for the comment and yes I will be here I have been looking for someplace like this after I left AOL I was lost I couldn't find any forums to be a part of and most chat rooms are full of freaks if you know what I mean?
Anyway I like it here there is a great deal of information here and it souiknds like good people toboot. You will definately hear from me again and again and again LOL Also, you mentioned a thread, where do I submitt this thread? Later...
 
Till then, stay strong my friend!
 
Mike cool
I believe that everything happens for a reason, Good relationships fall apart so that better ones can develope. We accept the lies told to us by people, so that in the future we can tell the difference between the lie and the truth.
Life is like a circle, everything we do comes back to us, be it good or bad, this is called [MURPHIES LAW].
God gave us the ability to chose our paths, even though He sets the original path; we can make changes as we go along, some good and some bad nevertheless free choice is ours, given by the Creator, so make your choices wisely.
Lastly, treat others as you wish to be treated, don't pre-judge people as there is some good there even if you can't see it; always allow them the opportunity to screw up, then cut them off if you so chose.


PAlady
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   Posted 2/6/2010 8:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Mike,
I haven't welcomed you yet, so let me say I'm glad you've found us. This is the best support forum on the internet IMHO. And it's well-moderated (as you can see from these past few posts) to keep out spammers and such. I know some people don't like the forum rules, but the administrator has set this place up with volunteer moderators, who also suffer from the same condition as the forum they moderate, and that keeps us coloring within the lines, so to speak.

If you see at the top of the page where it says "New Topic" (they're also called "threads") click on that box, and you can give the post your own title - maybe something saying you're introducing yourself, or if you have a specific question, etc., and then fill in the box with the content (you can cut and paste some of what you've already written in these posts if you want) and then just click "submit" and you'll have started your own thread. Everyone will have a chance to see it, and usually people come along over the first couple of days and say hello!

Again, glad you found us!

PaLady

Mike1x
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   Posted 2/6/2010 9:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks PA Lady I have a place there I go there sometimes on the weekends it is a retirement home I got for myself but I can't seen to leave this ole apartment LOL
I guess I will do as you suggested one day soon I like it here
and again thanks for the welcome LOL

Sincerely,

Mike
I believe that everything happens for a reason, Good relationships fall apart so that better ones can develope. We accept the lies told to us by people, so that in the future we can tell the difference between the lie and the truth.
Life is like a circle, everything we do comes back to us, be it good or bad, this is called [MURPHIES LAW].
God gave us the ability to chose our paths, even though He sets the original path; we can make changes as we go along, some good and some bad nevertheless free choice is ours, given by the Creator, so make your choices wisely.
Lastly, treat others as you wish to be treated, don't pre-judge people as there is some good there even if you can't see it; always allow them the opportunity to screw up, then cut them off if you so chose.

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