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Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 12:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I know that alcohol usually increases pain. However, my mother has horrible pain and she can literally drink 2 sips of a low alcohol drink and the pain is gone. I mean totally GONE. Any ideas why this might be happening? I'm thinking the alcohol is doing something like releasing certain chemicals or giving her nutrients she's deficient in or something, but it's fixing whatever causes the pain. Any ideas would be welcomed.
Serina

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   Posted 2/15/2010 2:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Serina,
If your mother is taking any other medications, mixing them with alcohol can be dangerous.

But alcohol can help reduce pain; it is a drug although we don't often think of it as such. I'd suggest your mother talk with her doctor, and if he/she has no objection to a small amount of alcohol, and she's not on other medications, then the choice is up to her. A lot also depends on the type of pain she has.

We're a support group here, but are not doctors and aren't here to give medical advice. Since most of us in chronic pain need medications to at least manage it, mixing alcohol is dangerous for us. It's generally not something we advocate as a pain management strategy.

PaLady

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   Posted 2/15/2010 2:38 AM (GMT -7)   
PaLady is right. Alcohol is a drug and it is one that suppresses the nervous system. The only two times alcohol will cause an increase in pain is if it is applied topically to a wound or if the person drinking it has some kind of stomach/GI problem like an ulcer.

Since your Mother is getting relief from very small amounts it sounds like her system is not used to it or it could be her system is simply extra sensitive to its effects.

I do agree with talking to her doctor about it especially if she is taking ANY kind of medication....prescription or OTC as alcohol can change the desired effects of other medications.
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   Posted 2/15/2010 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   
 
 
   Dear Serina,
 
     Good morning! My name is Dani and it is a pleasure to meet you. Welcome to Healing Well!
 
     You know, I do not know if it is an old wives tale or not.. But have heard the statement many time that a small "glass of red wine per week keeps the blood flowing well". I do not know if that is true or not. I personally, cannot drink. They tell me it has something to do with my bone problems? But when I drink (its been years now) even just a few sips will make my joints ache with a "flu" type feeling for 3 days. Weird no? In anycase, It was very nice to meet you. Hopefully someone who knows more about the mechinism of alochol will stop by. Have a great day!
 
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   dani

 

 

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   Posted 2/15/2010 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   

  Hello PaLady, Have you reported this member to Pete? (namratnsv) I have asked them to either edit their replies or remove it, and they still are replying with the same advertisement. As I stated they are welcome to help other members, or seek help here on the forums, but they need to follow the rules. Let me know if you want me to do it or not.

 

      Thanks!

 

     Michael



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Post Edited (Screaming Eagle) : 2/15/2010 9:39:27 AM (GMT-7)


Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I completely agree with what you all have said. I'm not advocating drinking and I'm not advocating it as a pain management technique. I don't think you should drink to get rid of your pain, but it's an important question that a tiny sip of alcohol can COMPLETELY get rid of my mother's pain. If somebody recognizes a physiological mechanism of alcohol that could do this then you might help to fix my mother's pain.

Jim1969, I'd agree with you generally that it must be because she isn't used to drinking, but she's pure Irish and has no problem handling alcohol. She rarely drinks, but when she does it doesn't have much of an effect on her.

Dani, Thanks so much for your kind welcome! It was wonderful hearing that response to my first post at this forum. That is really interesting how a sip of alcohol makes you feel pain whereas it makes my mom's pain go away. See, that's the type of information I'm looking for. Do you mind me asking what issue you're dealing with? Maybe there is some connection to my mom's illness. If you ever get to talk to your doctors, would you mind asking them to explain a little more? Maybe it would help my situation. It's also interesting your statement about the blood flowing well. My mother's hemoglobin count is slightly low and she thinks maybe the alcohol is dilating the blood vessels so that more oxygen is getting to her and that's why the pain goes away.

Thanks!

Post Edited (Serina81) : 2/15/2010 11:05:38 AM (GMT-7)


Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Also Screaming Eagle, are you talking about my post or someone else's. I'm not advertising anything.

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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   

 Hello Serian81! Welcome to the CP forum. I have tried wine in the past thinking it would help me with the pain, and it actually made mine worse, so I don't touch it anymore.

 And really I don't think we are to mix it with the pain meds. We are all different though, so if your mother is getting some relief with it, that is great. The only thing I would suggest, is making sure her Dr knows that she is doing this if indeed she is taking medications. From what I gather from your post it is only a couple of sips. That would be pretty neat to work like that for me. Take care, and I hope you get an answer to what you are looking for here, and you are welcome here anytime..

We have wonderful members here, and they will support you at length. Please keep in touch with us, and this is an interestion subject to follow.

  Michael


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Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Michael, thanks for the response. I thought your first message was to me about getting reported and everything lol. Good to hear that it wasn't.

Anyhow, that's what I've heard from everyone about alcohol-that it increases the pain. That's why I find it so strange that her's actually goes away. She's only taking thyroid meds (hypo) and I don't believe there's much of an interaction between that and alcohol. If anything, the alcohol should be making her feel worse with hypothyroidism because it's a depressant, but it doesn't.

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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:52 AM (GMT -7)   
  Hello Serina81! I can see where you thought this of me. I'm sorry you took it that way. You are just fine here! :) PaLady posted a comment on the member Namrat, and I was just following up on it.
 
I reported the member to the Admin. We have rules here and need to follow them for good reason. Im sure you can see what the forum would look like if we did not enforce them. I'm so glad you found this site, and enjoy your time here.
We actually hope you can stay for a long time, but do not wish anyone to have problems that would bring them here. I'm on some pretty heavy pain meds, so I tend to make a few errors when I'm replying to post here. I do however come back to reread them, and correct anything I messed up on.
 
 So do you have health issues as well? If so, can you tell us a little about them? Or maybe alittle more about your mother?
 
     Michael


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Post Edited (Screaming Eagle) : 2/15/2010 12:56:46 PM (GMT-7)


Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 12:59 PM (GMT -7)   
No problem Michael :) I'm just glad I'm not in trouble lol. My mom and I have some similar health problems. Hypothyroidism runs in the family (every single female has it). I was tested for allergies and have had allergy shots for the past year and my thyroid problem is now going away. She's also being treated for allergies, but it hasn't noticeably helped the thyroid situation. She's had chronic pain all her life, off and on. When she lived in beach cities, she always had pain. We moved to the desert because of it and that helped significantly, but it still comes back. Pain in all her joints, she says. She also has a lot of fatigue. The doctors thought she had lupus, but her antibodies (ANA) came back negative. Now the doctors think she has scleroderma, but she hasn't had the tests done yet and she has no skin involvement.

The weird thing is, a year ago me, my mother and another lady went on a business trip to Hawaii. When we came back, I had really bad kidney stones within a couple months and the lady went into kidney failure. My mom started getting really bad swelling, gained 25 pounds of mostly, if not all, water weight and now a year later her tests say she has a low glomerular filtration rate and high creatinine levels, which means her kidneys aren't working. She was put on Dyazide, a diuretic for the swelling which she's still on. Then this severe pain hit her about 3 weeks ago-worse pain than ever before. I don't know if this pain is connected to the chronic pain she's always dealt with or if this is something new.

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   Posted 2/15/2010 1:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Serina,
I know I may sound a little harsh in my response, but the title of your post can really be misleading. I'm not sure who told you that alcohol increases pain, but that is not correct. As Jim stated, it generally decreases pain. It is a CNS (Central Nervous System) depressant, and also can serve to relax muscles. If your mother's pain was due, for example, a muscle spasm somewhere it's possible the alcohol could relax her enough to help.

However, this is all beside the point. Everyone s too individual and while some of the studies show the benefits of a glass of red wine, many others show the risks of alcohol, including contributing to many cancers. So it's not something to be advocated as a 'cure" for pain or other things, unless it's an individual case and it's dealt with between patient and doctor.

With your mother's other health problems, including the hypothyroidism, she needs to talk with her doctor about any alcohol use. Why it would "cure" her pain depends on many factors, not the least of which is the cause of the pain. You indicate your mother has no trouble handling alcohol, so that could be an indication she has possibly - and I say possibly - developed some tolerance issues with it, and that's not a good thing. Another aspect to consider is that alcohol may be masking the pain, but pain is the body's message that something is wrong, so it may not be good to mask it without knowing the cause.

The biochemistry of alcohol in the body is complex. This forum isn't the place to learn that kind of information, although you certainly can stay for support and to discuss your concerns, but I'd first suggest talking with your mother's doctor. If you're into medical research, try using medscape.com and medline.com. That will hook you up with some of the same research doctor's use.

PaLady

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   Posted 2/15/2010 1:34 PM (GMT -7)   

   WOW! I wonder if there is a conection with the trip! That is pretty scary!

   Serina81, I'm really nobody special here on the forums, and I just help out in what ever way I can. So I don't have any athority at all. I do however try to help where ever I can, and that may include helping to watch for members that abuse the site for their own purposes.

 Don't be afraid of anyone here, and we do not want you to feel like you are being watched for a slip up on the rules. We want you to enjoy yourself, and hope that you can find some useful information to help you or your family members.

  Also, if you have any experience in any of the areas of Chronic Pain, we can certianlly use your help too! I think maybe I will have to work on my approach when someone gets off of the rules. My Bad!

There will be someone along that can help you with the concern that you have with your health and your mothers. Again we welcome you, and enjoy your time with us.

   Michael


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   Posted 2/15/2010 5:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Serina and welcome to the Fandamily! I just got back from a small road trip and haven't posted for a few days but saw your post which sounded kinda unusual so I checked it out.
I don't drink anymore but used to partake more than my share in my younger days. I don't miss the hangovers one bit! Everyone has pretty much covered your questions but I have one for you>> Do you think it's safe for your Mother to drink even a small amount w/ her new kidney problems??? I'm not a doctor but I do know that your renal (kidney) system is nothing to take lightly or even take a chance with, without first asking the doc who is treating her kidney problems what he thinks!!! There are so many good treatments for CP w/o using alcohol. Just a thought, I'm not judging you or your nice Irish Mom and I hope I don't sound that way!!! You sound like a nice Lady and I'm sure you'll fit right in w/ the rest of us here.

By the way, we have one thing in common, I am hypothyroidic too. Oh about 10 or more years ago, I had a tumor grow all the way around my thyroid like a big spider so they had to remove the whole dingdang thing! I've been taking thyroid hormones (synthroid) erver since. I never really got the dose right even now, seems I take too much and get shaky and yucky feeling or too little and get fatter, sleepy and a different kind of yucky feeling! I guess its a thin line between each and its hard to walk the line when you don't have a thyroid. Does your Mom have this problem?? By the way, my Mom, sister and my sister's two daughters also have hypothyroidism, guess you know it runs in families.

Anyway, thats all I have now so again welcome and please stick around and maybe get your Mom involved here too???

Big Hugz comin atcha from your new friend,

Pete

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   Posted 2/15/2010 5:13 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
    Dear Serina,
 
     You asked ~~>"If you ever get to talk to your doctors, would you mind asking them to explain a little more?"
 
       It has to do with the widespread bone loss. The fragments of bones cause iritation to my joints. Alcohol, changes in hormone balance, etc will cause "flares" (the flu type feeling) within my joints.
 
 
  PA Lady,
 
      You said ~~>"Serina,
I know I may sound a little harsh in my response, but the title of your post can really be misleading. I'm not sure who told you that alcohol increases pain, but that is not correct. As Jim stated, it generally decreases pain."
 
      In my case, YES it increases pain. I hear there are many types of illness which alochol can increase pain aswell. For example.. hodgkins, gout, ... In my response in particular, I was simply "welcoming" our newest member, but giving a reason as why I am unable to answer her question. Have a nice day.
 
*hugg*
  dani


 

 

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   Posted 2/15/2010 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Dani,
Yes there are some cases in which it can increase pain, but that's not what's generally true for alcohol.

Guess this is a bit of a sore spot with me because so many people try to self-medicate with alcohol, which usually doesn't help anything. So like I said, I didn't mean to sound harsh, but it's misleading to say that alcohol usually increases pain.

My apologies to you, Serina, if I am coming off the wrong way, but it's not meant to be mean to you. I just don't think you'll be able to answer what you're asking about alcohol and your mother here on the forum; have you gone to her doctor's appointments with her and asked him/her? That would be the best route, but you're certainly welcome here for support. And so is your mother.

PaLady

Serina81
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   Posted 2/15/2010 8:08 PM (GMT -7)   
So much controversy! lol! I certainly understand your concerns, PAlady. I'm a therapist and I've seen how much alcohol ruins people's lives. As a matter of fact, one of my clients died last week from an alcohol overdose. I haven't spoken to the doctor yet because this just happened last night, but we definitely will.

As for alcohol increasing pain, I did a google search and a PubMed search and there's a lot of info about alcohol increasing pain, causing neuropathy, stimulating pain receptors, etc. so there is actually many ways that alcohol increases pain. Alcohol doesn't really decrease pain for the people who self-medicate. It takes their mind off it and dulls the pain. I've never heard anyone say oh yea, I took a sip of wine and my pain absolutely ceased and then didn't come back the next day. With my nice Irish mom having an alcohol tolerance, again I understand what you're saying-I'd probably think the same exact thing if somebody else posted! She's probably a heavy drinker, etc. She was born with a high tolerance thanks to those Irish genetics-and then she had to go marry a Native American so that I have a nonexistent tolerance lol.

Pete, good point about the kidneys and alcohol. I know alcohol and liver problems are bad so I'll have to mention that to her. My mom does have some problem regulatng her thyroid meds, especially now that Armour was taken off the market. She had everything perfectly regulated before (as perfect as you can get it), but she's having to get the dosage right. I think everyone with a thyroid problem has to fight with this problem. I'm so lucky that curing my allergies is curing my thyroid problem and I don't have to take meds anymore. I always suggest to everyone with hypothyroid that they get tested for allergies, though of course your's is different since your thyroid was removed :(

Screaming Eagle, I'll tell you that I'm never going back to Hawaii again!!!!

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   Posted 2/15/2010 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I can't drink any more because of my meds but I found in the past, a glass of champagne would really numb my joint pain at the time, but the next day I would suffer terribly, someone told me its because of the acidity of alcohol in the system, which flares up the joints. Maybe thats what happens with Dani?

Its funny I don't miss it, I thought I'd really feel the social loss of not drinking, but as long as I have a glass in my hand it doesn't bother me its not alcohol. My hubby loves it because I'm now a designated driver!

Oh the joys, golitho

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   Posted 2/15/2010 9:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Good evening Serina81! You have done fine here on your replies. Good for you! Yes you are right, at times there can be controversy on these forums, however you handled it very well. You will fit in very nicely here. We thank you for your followup post, and we all learned something today. Again, great job! :) And I would be interested to know where your mother and her friend went in Hawaii, and if there might be a connection to their illness. It is so odd isn't it!

Michael

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Sal1965
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   Posted 2/16/2010 10:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Serina; I to am fairly new to this site, I have been recently diagnosed with Osteonecrosis in both hips ( dead bone ). I have been told by my doctors that i shouldn't consume large amounts of alcohol, due to the meds I take, however if taken in small amounts it helps releive some of my pain. I know I shouldn't drink, but sometimes I do, just to get that little bit of relief. Keep posting this is the best site I have found.
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