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StephanieJoy
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   Posted 5/26/2010 1:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone!  How is everyone doing?  I hope you are having a low pain day!!!  I am at work and am really looking forward to my 4 day weekend this weekend.  What does everyone have planned for Memorial Day?  Anything fun?
 
I was curious to know if anyone does any type of exercising to try and help with their pain?  If so, what type of exercising do you do?  How often do you exercise and for how long?  Do you find that it helps your pain level at all?  My doctors are encouraging me to exercise however, it seems almost impossible to me to try and do this.  I can barely do small chores around the house at times.  I guess I would have to try and work out when my pain level isn't so high.  I'm curious to know if there are any benefits to exercising when you have chronic pain.  I know that it helps with depression but I wonder if it helps at all with severe pain?  Anyways, I was just curious about this.  I would love to hear back from everyone!
 
Stephanie

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   Posted 5/26/2010 1:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Stephanie,
I don't know if I've welcomed you before so let me give you a belated hello now!

I wouldn't recommend trying to "work out" or do any traditional type of exercise without having a physical therapist guide and recommend it. I do some stretches my PT taught me, and without those I'd really be in trouble, but they are slow and targeted for things he's found are my problem areas. I try to do a little walking when I can, but it's not fast walking that's for sure. I doubt any doctor would recommend something like running, as the impact on joints is too harsh. Maybe things like swimming. But I would ask for a referral to a good PT (there are some great ones and some lousy ones, too) and have them guide you as to what type of exercise program would be best. I have a Pilates machine at home and I am going to try to get back to doing some of that, but again that's slow stretching mostly, but it does strengthen my core and I badly need that. Yet it can aggravate other things (mostly nerve pain) and then it takes forever to calm that down.

Get a PT who's experienced with the type of problems you have who will guide you slowly up to whatever you're able to do.

Good luck!

PaLady

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   Posted 5/26/2010 1:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Steph...

Just wanted to check in and say hi :) I bet you are looking forward to a 4 day weekend! Nothing much planned for us for the weekend... which is a good thing. We've been busy w/ birthdays, graduations and so forth.

How's your pain doing? Are your meds helping?

Re: exercise... I'm not a good one to ask. I have exercise intolerance due to my heart issues, fibro/CFS... so any strenuous activity causes my body to flare and puts me in bed for a few days....

Yeah, the exercise thing is a definite catch-22 thing.... doctors encourage it and say it will help; yet, many of us can't, due to our pain/health issues.

Well, Stephanie, I'll talk to you soon! --Tina
Main Health Problems: Dysautonomia/POTS; CFS/Fibromyalgia; Severe Chronic Hypertension; Hypothyroidism; Hypoadrenalism; Mixed (Obstructive/Central) Sleep Apnea - on Auto BiPap; Depression/Anxiety; Severe Vitamin D Deficiency

Pain Issues: Cervical/Thoracic back pain (they called it DDD...but I don't know); migraines; carpal tunnel syndrome; widespread joint/muscle pain, nerve pain in hands/arms/feet; Future Plans: Intrathecal Pain Pump; already completed trial (Sept, 2008); awaiting my decision for implantation...


sunflower7
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   Posted 5/26/2010 2:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Stretching is the thing that keeps me going! Easy Yoga stretches and some my Osteopath recommended.
They keep the Fascia pliant and stretched.

straydog
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   Posted 5/26/2010 4:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Stephanie,
 
 
Another thought is if you are thinking of joining a gym a good trainer can also  help you out with an exercise program that fits with your restrictions. PaLady gave some good pointers on a physical therapist, but finding a good one can be a problem.  My latest efforts in PT with a broken arm was just awful, but on the other side of the coin I have had good physical therapists. No one can say exercising will stop your pain, that is not possible but it sure can't hurt to work towards strengthening your body. Drs now a days really push for the patients to be as active as possible. My own PM dr is really big into her patients being active. It is not much of a problem for me since I was always very active, so I do push myself and many times I pay for it, and she is understanding about it and says thats ok.   
 
It is really tough trying to balance it all thats for sure.  The best I can say is just take it a day at a time because each day is different asa rule. Take care.
                                                 
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


MsBunky
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   Posted 5/26/2010 4:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Stephanie,

I have recently started going to AquaFit. I go at least twice a week and sometimes 3 times, for 45 minutes each session. If I find there's a move that I can't do, I just jog in place in the water and keep my arms moving, so I'm still staying active. I find it a great workout. I definitely feel it in my muscles the next day, but often, it's a good ache. I have had a couple of flares after doing it, but I think it's also because I was extra active overall on those days.

We also have a Nintendo Wii and I do play with that. I find even just bowling a couple of games is a good workout. I also try to do gentle stretches throughout the day to keep pain and stiffness away.

Hope that helps. Good luck with whatever you try.

hugs,
Pam
Conditions: Fibromyalgia, Severe Myofascial Pain, Chronic Pelvic Pain (with permanent muscle damage), Femoralacetabular Impingement (CAM and Pincer), Reynauds, IBS, Surgical Adhesions, Ophthalmic Migraines, Severe Hot Flashes (both Surgical Menopause and medication related), plus physically unable to vomit due to the Nissen, and I have extremely tiny veins with a lot of scar tissue...a joy when it comes to having to give blood or get an IV started

Surgeries: Appendix, Uterus, Nissen Fundoplication for GERD, Left Ovary, Gallbladder, Right Ovary, TVT

Medications: Oxycontin, Cesamet, Tramacet, Cymbalta, Flexeril and Clonidine plus Laxaday, Vitamin D and a Multi-Vitamin daily


sjkly
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   Posted 5/26/2010 5:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with the others that anything needs to be cleared by a physical therapist.
Gentle stretches and strengthening the correct muscles can reduce pain that is generated in joints or muscles. However, targeting the wrong muscles or doing the exersizes wrong can make things worse.

Tirzah
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   Posted 5/26/2010 5:46 PM (GMT -7)   
I did aqua aerobics post-op. There are classes approved by some agency (American Arthritis Foundation -- or something like that) that are meant to be especially gentle.

If you have low back pain, I will say that my PM recommended core work. I tried doing it at a hospital health club & even tried PT, but it was still too much. So I started doing it at home -- in bed, no less. 5 crunches straight up & down, 5 crunches to right side, 5 to left & 5 of those things where you point your toes & use your core to pull your legs straight off the ground. Each week I would try to add 3-5 extra reps. Now I go over 100 a piece. It has made a real difference.

After several months of that, I started adding in walking. Just walking out to the curb on my lunch break at first (I'd stop, rest & then return to the building). Slowly I would go 5 feet further each time. Now I can walk a few blocks... watch out world, here I come. ;) lol

I think the main thing is to work with your doctor & to go at a pace fast enough to challenge you (which might not be much at all), but easy enough that you don't hurt yourself or wear yourself out to the point you need hours or days to recover.

I know it's not much advice, but I hope it helps. Go slow & take your time -- you'll start seeing real improvements before you know it. :)

frances

merrygirl
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   Posted 5/26/2010 7:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I did aquatherapy fro a few months. It was pretty good. I did 2x a week for an hour. The reason I stopped was because I was sick of running around to appointments everyday. I also think I quit too early, but th egood thing is I can always go back.

Good luck, but take it easy!
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Draka
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   Posted 5/26/2010 7:50 PM (GMT -7)   
I exercise as much as I can.... for me the feeling after exercising is worth every bit... I find regular exercise also helps combat depression as it makes me feel really good about myself once done...

Exercise is such a normal part of my life now that I find I hurt more and feel so much tighter if I take more than a couple days in a row off....

I think everyone would get great results from Yoga and/or Pilates.... I do both....

I also play tennis and do 90 day programs such as P90X and Chalean Extreme... I just leave out the real jumping stuff and choose to do the low impact choices... I also focus on weight routines.... I have added a lot of muscle to my frame and that alone keeps the fat off.... so far so good... I try not to let my pain take over my life... I know when to stop but I also push myself... I am in the best shape of my life ever since I made exercise a daily part of my life.... and my Dr. is aware of everything I do....

Post Edited (Draka) : 6/7/2010 9:25:05 PM (GMT-6)


Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 5/26/2010 8:43 PM (GMT -7)   
 
 
   Dear Stephanie,
 
    Yes! I agree with everyone else. It is best for us to go with a physical therapist to design a daily " exercise" programm for us. They know what we can and can't do depending on our individual circumstances. So, really, PT is the way to go!
 
    It sure is good to hear from you and I hope you are doing well!!
 
*hugg*
   dani
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finallyreallycrazy
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   Posted 5/30/2010 9:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I know that some people find it strange, but robotics help me. There are some machines that I cannot do, because of the way they position my body, but some of them feel really good! The reason I started is because my doc said I was to exercise, but absolutley no impact. Couldn't find anywhere doing water areobics, so decided to try the robotics a couple time a week and they at least keep me looser and stretching, and you can choose how fast or slow you want the machine to go. It may not exactly be perfect, but it helps me most of the time!
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   Posted 5/31/2010 3:15 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree with PALady in that you should ask your physical therapist and doctor, if you should do exercises first,
and then go from there, my doctor recommended a recumbent bike and I got a cheap one, and it helps me, but
I can't do it for long...I also do exercises for my shoulder's ...so ask your doctor first and go from
his her recommendations okay...also ask about low impact stretching...
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mikepc
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   Posted 6/7/2010 3:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I discussed exercise with my doctor, and basically he told me that I just have to listen to body. I have done p90x with great results and I was surprised that I didn't have any complications with my crohn's. After doing some research it seems as though 1 hour a day of intense exercise (like in p90x) is perfect for promoting the body's production of many good hormones, which can reduce some symptoms of crohn's.

I found this blog about p90x and exercise in general with crohn's disease.

crohnsforlife.blogspot.com/2010/05/five-weeks-into-p90x.html

MIKEL99
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   Posted 6/8/2010 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah Steph , for sure the Physical Therapist for guidance , but I know for arthritis movement is relief . No motion means stiffness and pain while movement brings a degree of relief . I ts always better I think to move than not to , good for the body , the circulation , the lungs . I think its really better than inactivity , excercise makes you stronger in body and mind . But Steph I hear you when you describe your pain and it sounds very severe , for this I am so very sorry . You can only do what you can do , so please don't kick yourself if pain seems to limit your excercise or movement , just do what you can , I applaud you for your effort . I'm sure it will provide a degree of help to you . Great Job !! Mikel

Daisysmom
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   Posted 6/8/2010 9:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Stephanie,

I was diagnosed this spring with reactive arthritis after a big flare-up and a couple of years dealing with plantar fasciitis. Oddly, I have found that fairly vigorous exercise, like walking or biking, but in a short duration and with a couple of breaks, makes me feel better than anything.

I feel absolutely lousy after sitting at my desk job all night or after doing housework. I "attacked" my dirty kitchen the other day and my ankles really got swollen. Lots of rest would have helped, probably. Not doing it and going for a walk would have been even better!

I do think exercise is a good thing, and I hope you will give it a try with your doctor's OK.

--mk

StephanieJoy
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   Posted 6/11/2010 9:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Okay so I did it... I did 15 minutes on the eliptical machine and I did some lower body weights. Lunges, Side lunges and Squats. I am SO out of shape!!! I do feel wonderful that I was able to accomplish this. I haven't worked out in MONTHS!!!! I used to be in really good shape before I had chronic pain. I am really going to try and stay with this. I'm thinking since I'm just starting out then 3 or 4 days sounds reasonable to me. I am hoping it will give me some relief. Even if it helps me only a little bit then it's totally worth it. Thank you for all of the wonderful emails!!!

Stephanie

MsBunky
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   Posted 6/12/2010 4:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Good for you Stephanie!! Just don't make the mistake of doing too much to start with, and then burn out because you can't keep up. If you find something a bit too hard, just back off for a day or two and then try again. The goal is to get fit, not to injure yourself further.

I hope you find some relief quickly but doing your workouts....it's amazing how much better the body feels after all those endorphins get loose!

hugs,
Pam
Conditions: Fibromyalgia, Severe Myofascial Pain, Chronic Pelvic Pain (with permanent muscle damage), Femoralacetabular Impingement (CAM and Pincer), Reynauds, IBS, Surgical Adhesions, Ophthalmic Migraines, Severe Hot Flashes (both Surgical Menopause and medication related), plus physically unable to vomit due to the Nissen, and I have extremely tiny veins with a lot of scar tissue...a joy when it comes to having to give blood or get an IV started

Surgeries: Appendix, Uterus, Nissen Fundoplication for GERD, Left Ovary, Gallbladder, Right Ovary, TVT

Medications: Oxycontin, Cesamet, Tramacet, Cymbalta, Flexeril and Clonidine plus Laxaday, Vitamin D and a Multi-Vitamin daily


StephanieJoy
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   Posted 6/17/2010 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello everyone!  Just a quick update on me....

I've been working out for almost a week now and I feel wonderful!!!!!  I have had an amazing week!  I have been in very very low pain this week.  What a great feeling.  I've been doing cardio and weights and will try and do a little running this weekend.  I used to be in fairly decent shape and have actually missed not being able to workout because of the pain.  I really want to get back into in but I am taking it easy and not doing a whole lot.  I don't want to get burned out on it.  

I have my procedure at UCSF done on July 1st.  I am nervous about it.  I just want the pain to be at and STAY at a manageable level.  The pain really seems to go up and down.  I can have several weeks to a few months of not much pain and then it gets out of control.

How is everyone doing?  Please write back if you can.  I would love to hear from everyone.

Steph


straydog
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   Posted 6/19/2010 1:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Great news Stephanie, just don't do too much at first. Learn to pace yourself and gradually work up. You are living proof as to why it is so important to stay active even with CP. Our bodies were made to keep moving around. So, many people feel because o CP they are unable to do anything, and usually they won't because of the mind set. But, now you are seeing the difference it is making for you. I am very happy and excited for you, keep up the good work, slowly though, lol. Take care and keep us posted.
 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & psoriasis and psoratic arthritis. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 17 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.


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   Posted 6/19/2010 12:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Stephanie,
I have to echo straydog's thoughts and also congratulate you on moving forward! Just take it easy, though, as I know many of us have a tendency to feel a little better, and then push the gas pedal to the floor and then we have setbacks. Running is particularly hard on the body, so if you start getting any symptoms, maybe fast walking would be a way to go. Just my thoughts.

But you go girl!

PaLady

skeye
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   Posted 6/19/2010 9:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Stephanie,

Congratulations! I admire your strength. I'm sure that it wasn't easy to make yourself start to workout when you were in so much pain, but it sounds like it has been worth it. Just be careful not to do too much too fast. Keep up the great work!

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StephanieJoy
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   Posted 6/25/2010 11:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Everyone! How are you?

Well, I went to my second chronic pain management class today and it was great. It's a pretty large group. We have about 20 people. They are all wonderful and very supportive. They really understand what you are going through even if they don't all have the same diagnosis. It's a wonderful place to go to. Although, I will say this... I think they should have programs for significant others and family members that they can go to. Even if it's for one meeting. I think they really need to understand more about what we are going through and to find out more ways to try and help us and be supportive. It's very frustrating for the families and friends around me and I think it's pretty safe to say I'm not the only one who feels this way. I just think they need more information and education on chronic pain overall. My life has completely changed from what it was 4 years ago and there is no telling how long I will have to deal with this. I am very motivated to try and get the help that I need to try and live the best possible life that I can live. I am also coming to the point now where I need to ask my husband for some help when my pain level is very high and I am really hurting. He needs to gauge how I am feeling and then pick up the slack with some things (housework, chores, groceries, etc.). I also need to communicate better as well.

Anyways, another good thing is that I have been keeping up with my exercise. I've been doing my cardio and lifting weights. I just love lifting weights--it makes me feel strong and more confident about myself. I'd like to lose 5 pounds but I'm taking it easy and slow in these first few weeks and then I will slowly increase my intensity and my time doing cardio. It has helped me mentally as well and has helped somewhat with the depression. I encourage all of you to just give it a try and see how you feel. I've also been doing a little running too. It helps to mix things up and it's great being outdoors in the sunshine. I've been keeping a journal too and tracking my progress along the way. It's very encouraging to do this!

Also, one last thing. I am having a procedure done at UCSF. It's a nerve block procedure that is done through the spine. Has anyone had this done before? It's this upcoming Thursday. I am very nervous about it but my psychologist said I need to be as relaxed as possible going into the procedure. I need to be doing lots of deep breathing and meditation going into the procedure to try and get the best possible outcome as possible.

Sorry to write such a long message. I hope you are all doing well.

Stephanie

PAlady
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   Posted 6/26/2010 12:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Stephanie,
It's so inspiring to read your post, and I'm so glad you're making such great progress. I agree that including spouses, SO, a close family member or friend in the group for at least one meeting would be helpful. I'd suggest talking to whoever is facilitating the group - maybe if you have a discussion time during the session, or going up afterward and asking even if you can bring your husband. I know it can help if those close to us can understand at least a bit, and it also helps if what we are going through is validated by a professional.

I've had nerve blocks done, mostly for diagnostic purposes prior to my surgery. I've also had epidural injections. They sort of similar just depending on where the needle is being injected and what type of medication is being used, and if the purpose is for long term pain management or short term diagnostics. I know a lot of people here seem to ask for sedation when they're having these procedures, but I never needed it. Do make sure that they're using a flouroscope, so they can see where the needle is being guided. I believe most doctors use this, but I've seen a few reports here where a doctor just goes in blind. I'd never let someone do that in an area as delicate as my spine.

Is your procedure for diagnostic purposes? If so, they may not want you to have sedation because the main purpose is to try to locate where the problem is and they need you to be able to give feedback if they find the area causing your pain. I always think of it this way; it's not going to hurt any more than my worst pain does, and it's not going to last long. If it helps someone find and therefore treat my pain, I can handle it. My doctors have always used a local anesthetic first, so the area is somewhat numb, and mostly what I've felt is pressure.

Do you have any meditation or relaxation CD's? A great site for finding excellent material is www.healthjourneys.com. I don't have any financial connection with the site or the therapist who makes the material, but her CD's (you can also get them as MP-3 downloads) are used in research and are the best in the business. I've used them for years. Listening to something like that can help you prepare in advance. I often am even listening as I wait for procedures. If you have some soothing music that would help, too.

Keep up the good work!

PaLady

StephanieJoy
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   Posted 7/7/2010 9:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone!  How are you all doing??? 
 
I just wanted to check in since I haven't written in a while.  I had my nerve block procedure done last Friday.  I am hopeful it will work and give me some relief.  The doctors and staff at UCSF were all amazing.  They took very good care of me.  I have a follow-up appt next month.  If the procedure worked then they will do another one and then another one after that.  They do them in a series of three. I was very nervous about the procedure.  I don't remember much about it.  I was pretty out of it after it was all said and done.  I am really hoping and really praying that it will work.
 
I've been keeping up with my exercising.  I ran three miles yesterday!  I ran most of it.  I only stopped to walk a little a few times.  I was very proud of myself.  I'm going to start incorporating running into my routine 2-3 times per week.  I'm also lifting weights.  I love to lift weights!!!  It makes me feel healthy and strong and it gives me such confidence.  I highly recommend getting some form of exercise in.  Even if it's only for 15 minutes.  I know it's very difficult to do with chronic pain but I really do believe it helps with the pain.  It also seems to help with my depression.  Ove the past 4 years, I've had some serious bouts of depression.
 
Well, that's it for now.  I hope everyone is doing well!!!  Write to me and let me know how you all are.  I love to read your messages and your responses.
 
Steph
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