DEA crackdown in FL, leading to pain pill shortage

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Draka
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   Posted 7/12/2010 3:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Had my PM appointment today for script refills... my Dr... told me he would be surprised if I could find ANY Roxicodone/Oxyxodone pills anywhere...there has been a federal shutdown of pain pill sales at two wholesale drug companies prominent in south Florida and it has led to a shortage of oxycodone/Roxicodone... yet again...

I have been using oxycodone as my BT medication.

While I understand it is a big problem for people getting the drugs from bogus pain clinics who "sell" the drugs to people who come across state lines to bring back up north to sell.... it only makes it harder for
the people who are really in pain and need the medication to get by..... we are the ones that suffer and it just doesn't make sense and isn't fair!!!


This is a very interesting documentary for anyone interested.... it's called... The Oxycontin Express...www.hulu.com/watch/100279/vanguard-the-oxycontin-express

Just makes me very angry that people who really need the drug suffer.... the response had been to just take it away from everyone....

(Draka, I turned your link into a HOT link)

Post Edited By Moderator (Chutz) : 7/12/2010 6:24:58 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/12/2010 5:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Draka,

You are very right on this topic!...IMHO. And this isn't the first time we've had a scare on the supplies of Oxycontin being shut down. Seems it was about this time last year when we had the last 'scare'. When I chatted with the owner of the pharmacy near us he said he was getting to work every day at least 45 minutes earlier just to receive his 'allotment' of oxy for his customers. He ordered it every day but never knew if or how much he would receive. He knew what I was on and I was never shorted but I'm not sure about new customers. He's an independent pharmacy and will go to whatever lengths he need for our community.

That said...I will add my opinion, again, that most all of this is media hyped up hysteria! Google the problem and you'll find plenty of blame to go around. But chronic pain patients are not mentioned except that they are the ones to suffer. Here is one comment I took from the NIH (National Institute of Health...US government health site) ...

The extensive media coverage and hype made a “villain” out of OxyContin, and there is a concern that the exclusive media focus enhanced the popularity of the drug and contributed towards its abuse.

OK, I'm wound up but I'm very glad that Draka brought this topic up. Needs to be kicked around now and then.

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   Posted 7/12/2010 6:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Good grief! What is going on down there in Florida?! I recall Pete posting about that same problem a while back. And I think someone else did before that. Seems like they ought to be able to find a better way to control this problem that making the most fragile in society pay for the sins of the wicked.

But we have different issues up here in IL. So many wicked people were breaking into pharmacies to steal Actiq (which is commonly sold on the streets) that now almost no one will even order it for you. There is literally only one pharmacy I can get to order it regularly for me & they are 90 minutes away. Another pharmacy can usually get it for me if I'm willing to wait, but who has time to deal with "usually" they are 80 minutes away in another direction. And when the shipment doesn't come in on time, it's yet another trip to the PM. Actiq is routinely brought up as a "dangerous drug of choice" on public-access televised police-community meetings. We get newsletters in the mail about it. It's no wonder I can't get any peace from anyone at work or while I'm out who happens to see me taking my medication.

On the flip side though, there are a LOT of people who are hooked on the stuff who never ever had a pain problem. It's super addictive (way more so that probably any other drug out there -- though not everyone gets addicted to it) because it lasts for only 3-4 hours at a time, tops. People are dying from a single overdose. And that sucks. I'm not saying it doesn't -- just like it sucks that idiots are going overboard abusing oxy in Florida (they do it here too, but usually if someone's dead it's b/c of Actiq) -- but it's just lousy that we're the ones who have to pay the price.

Hang in there Florida CPer's. Hope they can find something to help you until that mess gets straightened out. Can you order them by mail order prescription? Maybe that's a way around it. Even if your doctor won't write you for 90 days, at least you would only have to go a week without your prescription.

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Draka
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   Posted 7/12/2010 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is some more of what is going on down here.....

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100607/article/6071058
(if I am not allowed to post this link, please let me know...)

I want to make it clear... I am all about shutting down and putting tough restrictions on the bogus pain clinics.... and the people who abuse the system.....but taking away from people who legitimately need these meds is not the solution.....

No way to order them by mail... that is something I would NEVER do for so many reasons.... I wish I could get them from Canada or somewhere else because the cost alone is really hurting us....

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   Posted 7/12/2010 8:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Our local Walgreen has a HUGE sign that says that oxycontin is in a timed delayed safe, I think it's sad that they have to put that up...I remember when I was on Actiq, I only knew of three pharmacies that carried it, and 2 of them only sold them in boxes of 30, and I had a pain doctor that would give me coupons for 6 free Actiqs that I could fill every 3 days, and only one of the pharmacies would break the box open for me, and if they where out, then I had no choice but to wait. But truthfully I don't hear much about Actiqs around here, the drug of choice seems to be hydrocodone, but then again I don't really hang out with the people who abuse medication (eventhough I'm surrounded by them).

Since I live in HUD apartments, their's ALOT of drug activity going on, it seems like everytime I go outside to walk my dog around the apartments, I'll see a drug dealing going on. It's a scary situation, I wish I could move, but living on SSI doesnt give me any choice in housing.

Also I've heard that they're really cracking down on those so-called "pain clinics" in florida lately. That show "oxycontin express" was made a year or more ago, and since then it's really brought attention to their problem, and I hear it's starting to get better. I would think that if that's the only place that has that problem, then they should be able to stop it like they do everywhere else in the states (I forgot why they said that county in florida gets away with it, but I would think it would be easy to stop it since it's ot a national problem). Well I guess only time will tell...

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   Posted 7/13/2010 9:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Draka , thanks for letting us know about that documentary , god its so sad ! I never heard of smoking pills before or sniffing them , geez its terrible . I can't beleive they don't keep track of it , in NYC its a lot stricter , but these poor small towns , well again very sad , but thanks forbringing it to our attention . Mikel

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   Posted 7/13/2010 9:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Here we go again!!! The Whole thing SUCKS!!!! Thats all I'm gonna say!
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   Posted 7/13/2010 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
I would love to take everyone one of these legalized drug pushers out somewhere and break every bone in their body and then give them some Tylenol for their pain. After all that is basically what they are doing to everyone who has a legitimate need for pain medications.

I can understand why local, state and federal agencies are tackling this issue, but at the same time they are making it worse. Legitimate doctors are afraid of either being conned or losing their license for prescribing too many pain pills, and then when people who legitimately need that medication can not get it legally they seek out other sources or end up turning to other drugs to help manage their pain.

I have always had pretty much a zero tolerance when it came to illicit drug use and/or abuse, but with that said because of all of these issues with getting needed medications through channels I have considered and even checked into other sources. I have never attempted to purchase anything but the temptation was and still is there.
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   Posted 7/13/2010 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Jim1969 said...
I would love to take everyone one of these legalized drug pushers out somewhere and break every bone in their body and then give them some Tylenol for their pain.


hee, hee, hee... so evil, yet i don't disagree devil

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   Posted 7/14/2010 7:03 PM (GMT -7)   
This really bothers me because I just moved to Florida and I had trouble finding a doctor who would take my case because of the level of narcotic medication I was on. I was shocked since I had all my medical records with me and they were willing to confirm my condition from up north. I also heard that several of the local pharmacies stopped deliveries because of hold ups. Also there was a story about garbage workers casing the garbage in Sr. developments trying to see who was using what. It is so scary today and I live alone and I am afraid just walking to my car with my meds. What are we to do when we are really suffering with legitimate pain.Sometime nothing works and I just want to throw in the towel. Then you hear things like this and you wonder.

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   Posted 7/15/2010 7:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Draka , I just watched that expose on the oxycontin problem in Florida , My God that was so terrible !! Those poor folks are being decimated by this !!! My god thanks Draka I never would have known , its like drug cartels in South Florida they are all over and so many are suffering . Its so sad . Mikel

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   Posted 7/15/2010 8:35 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't think that would be evil....more like true justice.
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   Posted 7/15/2010 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
 
 
   Oh gosh! It makes so much sense now! I read an article a long time ago and I thought at the time "that is weird, why would they want to make that kind of medicine" but now I know why. But, just now when I went to look up the medicine, I found an article says the FDA didnt approve it.....
 
 
 
     Watching this has shaken me to my core. I am shocked, disgusted and quite frankly scared for "us". And worse... this video is old ... which means it has only gotten worse over time.
 
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   Posted 7/15/2010 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Have you ever noticed how it seems like it always a "things" fault. Someone get shot and it is the gun's fault and not the person who pulled the trigger. Some one gets addicted to pain meds it is the drugs fault and not the fault of the doctor who wrongly prescribed the meds or the fault of the person who took them longer than they should have or took them for a high in a purely recreational manner.

They "the government" want to go after the thing as much if not more than they go after those who are truly responsible and before it is all said and done the one's who really are damaged by it are the law abiding.
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   Posted 7/16/2010 2:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Why does it always seem like the motto is "Punish the masses to prevent the few"? The people who abuse these drugs are going to break the law to do it to do it if necessary and if you take away one drug another will pop up...I agree we need to shut these bad docs & clinics down b/c it makes everything harder on the honest people. Living in south florida i have seen this problem first hand time and time again and the problem is BAD but punishing the chronic pain patients is not the answer. I hope they can put their focus on the doc who are basically selling meds to people they know dont need them so the rest of us can get treatment in peace. I dont have an issue getting meds from my doc but when you first start going to any doc down here they will not prescribe narcotics on the first visit...its just become a rule for the docs down here now...at least that Ive encountered. Oh well, fingers crossed that they get this worked out soon.
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   Posted 7/16/2010 1:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Everyone! I just got back from a trip down to my house in S.E. Fla. where I lived for 24 years. I am presantly renting my house there because I can't sell it thanks to what the theives on Wall St. have done to our economy (Don't get me started!) Anyway while driving south on the Fla. Turnpike about ha;f way down I saw a huge Yellow billboard w/ nothing on it but the words "Pain Clinic" and below it an 800# the same sign while crossing the bridge from Georgia and driving into Fla. on Interstaye #95 last Spring. Just couldn't bekieve it!!!! Don't the cops see this sign?????
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   Posted 7/16/2010 4:45 PM (GMT -7)   
This is all just so frustrating. I used to be 100% in favor of trying to make it as hard as humanly possible for these nit-wits to get their hands on medication for no good reason at all.

But now I'm finding that it ends up frustrating us more than it does them. Case in point, the new "risk management" plan with Onsolis (a non-cavity causing alternative to Actiq or Fentora). The darn thing is so hard to get that none of the pharmacies can even order it for me. I'm told it's because it's new, but these problems didn't exist with Fentora. We could get that as soon as it came out, complete with coupons & pitches from the drug reps.
No one's allowed to rep the Onsolis for months so the pharmacies barely know it exists. Patients have to agree to be listed on a National Registry Database (fine, I'll tattoo a number on my arm if it'll get me a medication without so many side effects) and I have no problem with that. But they can't figure out how to work the darn thing -- yeah, maybe someone should have thought about that before they federally mandated that you get registered before you can order, fill or re-fill the darn drug. So now that's cost me an extra $150 that I really don't have.

I'd be very, very, very happy if the guidelines could actually keep idiot people from wrongly getting their hands on Onsolis, but if it's at the expense of anyone at all getting the medication then why did the FDA even bother to approve it? Why not just say "we care more about preventing dim-witted people from killing themselves than we do about helping people who want to be productive in society to achieve that by making sure they get their medication".

ARRRGGGHHH! So frustrating.

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   Posted 7/16/2010 5:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Just out of curiosity I did a Google search for Florida Pain Clinics and I was totally shocked and amazed how many web sites for these so called pain clinics came up and every last one of them I checked out it was the same deal. Cash and carry only. Not a single one of them accepted any kind of insurance. Also every one of them had a pharmacy too.

Now how many red flags does law enforcement really need before going in and shutting these places down and sending everyone there to jail?
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