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Luie
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   Posted 1/3/2013 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I lost my pm doctor over something soooooo stupid  , I had major oral surgery last month and happened to have my bt med oxycodone stolen so I HAD to fill the vicodin the dentist gave me, I told my pm and he dropped me today , NOT EVEN TAPER JUST DROPPED, I have 1 oxycontin 20 left for tonight, I went to the er they wont help they gave me a god darn script for 5mg Percocet LOL?  im sitting here crying and truly don't want to be alive right now.. I don't want to go thru this again  ... idk what to do :(   im on   over 125mg of oxycodone a day

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   Posted 1/3/2013 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Luie,

I'm really sorry to hear this :(

I'm not trying to sound harsh, really.... but I have the same agreement w/ my PM set in place - where I won't get any other narcotics from anywhere else. I know hindsight is always 20/20.... but that's why it's really important that we follow the *contract* that most of us have to sign.

Do you have a primary doctor that may be able to help you - to at least give you some medication to help w/ withdrawal and so forth?

Not really sure what to say.... other than I'm truly sorry you are going through this.

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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 1/3/2013 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
When you say "not again".....has this happened previously???

As Tina mentioned, unfortunately this is a huge "no-no" for those of us on any controlled substance..

If something is stolen, you are supposed to notify the police and your Dr. immediately. Usually they are willing to help out when they see the actual police report. Otherwise they assume that it's not a theft issue but to where someone has taken their meds more than prescribed and ran out early. I'm not saying you did this, just what they think.

The way you write things, it sounds like you didn't notify your Dr. that the meds were stolen and ask what to do.....and only did this after you went ahead and filled the other prescription...

At this point I'm afraid there really isn't much you can do and with it going on your medical records, it may make it very hard to find another Dr. who will prescribe any pain meds.

If this all happened fairly recently and you know who stole the meds, I would go ahead and file that police report. This way you have to show another Dr....

Again, not trying to scold...it's just that I wish you would have come to the boards right away when the meds went missing and we would have been able to help lead the way.

With opiates, there really isn't any life or death situation with withdrawal for most people, (just very uncomfortable), so they aren't required to fill anything for you.

You can try to get a prescription for Clonidine from a Dr. to see if that will help, getting some Immodium, and making sure you stay VERY well hydrated will help...

We are sorry this happened to you:(
SB (Snowbunny) and the pup that snores (my yellow lab:))

3, two-level, cervical fusions over the past 11 years. The last one was anterior and posterior with lots of fun titanium!
Still have active herniations along with knee problems and another Morton's neuroma in left foot.
I try to find joy in each day even with chronic pain:)

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   Posted 1/3/2013 5:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I am so sorry that happened to you.
 
You got good advice but you came to us to late.  Please keep in touch with us and let us know how you are doing.
 
Betsey

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   Posted 1/3/2013 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to hear about your predictament, however, I am not surprised either that the dr cut you lose. Apparently you have not kept up with the main stream of things concerning pain mgt these days, but there is no room for error when it comes to patients. I think its going to get a lot worse before it gets better too. Why did you not file a police report when you discovered your meds stolen? That sure would have protected you with the dr.

The others have give you good tips on how to manage any WD symptoms so I will not repeat what has been said. Please take care of yourself.....Susie
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tiredredhead
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   Posted 1/3/2013 6:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I am so sorry to hear about that. Sometimes doctors tend to overlook the theory that "life" happens. Unfortunately, once you sign the pain management contract, you bind yourself into seeing it their way. I see the need for the contracts, but it can make it difficult to get the help you need, when your caregivers like dentists and doctors don't always communicate.

My pm doc just explained the contract in black and white, and I signed it. But your situation made me realize I have no idea what to do if I need a dental procedure or something like that. I would be nagging his office to death to find out how to get proper pain management. The small dose of lortab I take would never touch the pain of a serious dental issue. Communication is the key. Keep records of your calls, who you speak to, what directions are given to you, etc..

I need to find out the ER policies of my PM clinic. That's another thing chronic painers should all know. Does a shot for a drastic increase in pain go against your contract if nothing is prescribed?

I hope that you find some type of help or answer.

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 1/3/2013 7:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Tired...yes..it's very important to find out these answers from your PM...

With dentist work, Lortab would be one of the meds they would prescribe usually so there is normally no need to have any more pain meds. Antibiotics and good old Ibuprofen to reduce the swelling are the meds that work the best. I have had tons of dental work and in line to save up money for a lot more to come. But it's really about talking to your PM beforehand and finding out what the plan should be.

And yes, getting any type of opiate pain medication like through IV or a shot can go against the contract so it's best to ask. If someone is having an increase in pain the first person they should call is their PM. They will be the ones to either say you can increase your meds or if they feel it's a brand new issue that needs immediate attention they will send you to the ER and you are fine as they know about it.

Ok...don't want to veer too far off topic from Luie's thread....I hope he comes back to let us know how he is doing..

Post Edited (Snowbunny21) : 1/3/2013 5:39:59 PM (GMT-7)


Blessedx8
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   Posted 1/3/2013 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Tiredredhead,

Those are good questions....

For me - I can go to the ER for acute pain issues and get IV medication. I even have a note from my PM doctor saying that this is ok.... that I occasionally need this to break my pain cycles.... etc.

However, I would never take a script written by the ER, as that would violate my contract.

For dental procedures and so forth - I also would never take a script from them. If I know I'm going to have anything done (from dental work.... to having an upcoming surgery - which I'm going to... etc) - then I talk to my PM beforehand and figure out what to do for the *extra* pain. She'll either increase my BT med.... add something on top of it all.... etc.

To me - it's about having a really open, honest relationship. Letting the doctor know beforehand what's going on. Not running out of meds early.... knowing you can only get narcotics from your PM and sticking to that.... etc. It's a commitment I take really seriously because I NEED my meds to have a better quality of life - and I won't do anything to jeopardize that.

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Luie
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   Posted 1/3/2013 8:46 PM (GMT -6)   
when I said "again" I mean going thru full w/d because of a dr, like the ortho who just decided to stop before I found a pm dr.

I did file a police report and they wouldn't fill a new one until the following month, and having major dental surgery I couldn't just have nothing..

had I known that this one time would of done this I deff wouldn't of filled the prescription :( now im sitting here shaking and sweating and cold as ice and my pain is a 9/10 they did say I can go to a diff pm dr so maybe it wont be on record?
22yearold with Severe Chronic Neck/back pain due to - Fx C-7 vert, Herniated T5,DDD, Bulging disks c-4 to c7, Left Arm Radial Nerve Damage, Complete Wrist Drop of left hand.
oxycontin 20mg TID, oxycodone 15mg q4-6hr prn, valium 10mg q6hr prn , Naproxen sodium 500mg Bid.

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 1/3/2013 8:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm a bit confused...You say that they won't fill it for another month...so they haven't dropped you completely but just aren't replacing the prescription?

I'm quite sure though that this will go on your medical records. Drs. are under great scrutiny with the states and the DEA to document everything. They will write down that you called in saying meds were stolen and that you filled and took another controlled substance prescription.

When seeing any new Dr...they will request a copy of all your medical records and have it come straight from this Dr. as they won't allow you to bring in your own for the simple fact that people may take out pages.

May I ask how many pills were in the Vicodin prescription? This is another part that is going to cause more issues because you took the entire amount of those and then went to the ER to get even more meds with the Percocet..

I'm truly not trying to be mean here, just wanting to explain the details that will likely happen. I would still make sure your Dr. gets a copy of the police report to have on file.
SB (Snowbunny) and the pup that snores (my yellow lab:))

3, two-level, cervical fusions over the past 11 years. The last one was anterior and posterior with lots of fun titanium!
Still have active herniations along with knee problems and another Morton's neuroma in left foot.
I try to find joy in each day even with chronic pain:)

nvrthesame98
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   Posted 1/3/2013 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
SB, I think he means they wouldnt fill the one that got stolen until the nxt month so he needed to fill the one the DDS gave him for the dental pain.
 
Sorry for your problems with the w/d,s first let me say that actually the Docs in many states have absolutely no choice in releasing you from their care after you violated the contract or the policy. They are bound either by their group polices or state laws or local laws.
 
I am assuming and I know thats a bad thing to do but, that you had some meds of some kind left after the ones were stolen right? meaning you were not without pain management since on that much oxy that little bit of lortab was not going to do to much. Or did you go all month with no meds at all after the theft.
 
Also Ortho docs tend to be fix it kinda guys not manage it kind so they are not as sympathetic to your plight.
 
It couldnt have been a worse med to be dealing with since it happens to be the very one that got alot of this law changing started.
 
The ER can help with w/ds but like everyone said this will be in your records.  My surprise is in the fact the RPH even filed it.

Luie
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   Posted 1/3/2013 9:53 PM (GMT -6)   
it was for 18 vicodin I took 5 gave the PA the darn bottle with the rest to prove I didn't even take half , I didn't get to talk to my actual doctor, do you think theres any way if I went and talked to the actual doctor that he would give me a final chance.. or do I just need to find a new PM. im laying on the floor on my back crying , I can not move
22yearold with Severe Chronic Neck/back pain due to - Fx C-7 vert, Herniated T5,DDD, Bulging disks c-4 to c7, Left Arm Radial Nerve Damage, Complete Wrist Drop of left hand.
oxycontin 20mg TID, oxycodone 15mg q4-6hr prn, valium 10mg q6hr prn , Naproxen sodium 500mg Bid.

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   Posted 1/3/2013 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
only can say what the others have said, i am sorry you are suffering.

spent my entire biz life with contract law, and unfortunatley, a contract is a contract is a contract - doesn't matter if its fair or unfair, its all in the verbage of the contract.

hope you can get through the rough withdrawal part, and find another doctor to work with you in the future. its a truly terrible situation, and hated reading about it.

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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 1/3/2013 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
When you went to see the PA to drop off the leftover medications and the police report...did you go the ER after this or was this before going to see them. I'm trying to figure out where the Percocet comes into the picture as that is another med not prescribed by your PM. Do they know about that one as well?

All you can do is try to make an appt. to see your actual Dr. and make sure that he sees the unused portion of the Vicodin, the police report, and then how many pills from the ER and when you took them. He may decide to still see you based on a more strict setting of random urine tests or pill counts...
SB (Snowbunny) and the pup that snores (my yellow lab:))

3, two-level, cervical fusions over the past 11 years. The last one was anterior and posterior with lots of fun titanium!
Still have active herniations along with knee problems and another Morton's neuroma in left foot.
I try to find joy in each day even with chronic pain:)

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   Posted 1/3/2013 10:35 PM (GMT -6)   
You've been offered pretty good advice so I don't have anything to really add, but I am sorry you are in this situation.
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   Posted 1/3/2013 10:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Luie how many pills were in the bottle stolen? Was it a brand new bottle or what? Did someone break into your home? Since you filed a police report, you should get a copy of the report and have it to give to your PM dr. Do you have an appt already set with your PM dr.? I am assuming you go every month and if so appts are made for the following month right then. I would let him know directly and give him a copy of the police report for your chart. I am not sure after all that you have been kicked to the curb, you were just told you could not get a replacement script from what you are saying.

Yes, there will be a note in your chart about the stolen meds and that you filled a script from the dentist......Susie
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Luie
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   Posted 1/3/2013 11:26 PM (GMT -6)   
about 100 of my 150 oxycodone ir, and nah I was kicked to the curb , I had my refill apt today and I was honest and told the pa before the ua and he was like im sorry I can not write you pain medicine anymore because you broke the contract and said stuff about laws being stricter now. but that was his PA not my actual PM dr , but I don't think it will make a difference if I go talk to him
22yearold with Severe Chronic Neck/back pain due to - Fx C-7 vert, Herniated T5,DDD, Bulging disks c-4 to c7, Left Arm Radial Nerve Damage, Complete Wrist Drop of left hand.
oxycontin 20mg TID, oxycodone 15mg q4-6hr prn, valium 10mg q6hr prn , Naproxen sodium 500mg Bid.

Luie
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   Posted 1/3/2013 11:29 PM (GMT -6)   
@SB I went to the er after the PM dropped me and said to go to the hospital or a GP.
22yearold with Severe Chronic Neck/back pain due to - Fx C-7 vert, Herniated T5,DDD, Bulging disks c-4 to c7, Left Arm Radial Nerve Damage, Complete Wrist Drop of left hand.
oxycontin 20mg TID, oxycodone 15mg q4-6hr prn, valium 10mg q6hr prn , Naproxen sodium 500mg Bid.

Ryobi
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   Posted 1/4/2013 1:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I am so sorry this is happening to you, I would either go to the ER as someone else suggested and get IV meds maybe they would keep you until Monday when you can see a new PM doctor. Or if this is not a option call the PM on call and ask for a script of clonodine, it will not cure what your going through, but it will bring some relief to the symptoms you are having and it also may help you get some good sound sleep , which you really do need at this point. Big hugs to you!
Next time you know its not worth it, once you find a new doc, you always be honest with them.
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   Posted 1/4/2013 1:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I am sorry you have to go through this. Hopefully you will find a solution soon. Take care.

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   Posted 1/4/2013 7:27 AM (GMT -6)   
luie I know this is not going to be easy by any means and please don't think we are judging you. given the fact that you violated the contract for any reason, always ask first,drs have this thing about being in control, your age is a factor as well. Not saying that's fair but it's a given..

I am going to make a suggestion and please don't take offense it's not meant in anyway but a solution. I don't know where you live but a lot of bigger city's have drs known as addictologist an they treat not only folks who have had addiction problems an know are pm they treat folks like yourself who have run aground by some form another making treatment unlikely by a regular Dr. They are very good at what they do.

Here is another option and I'm sure I will get slammed for this one but if your suffering an I saw a few statements by you that bothered me in relation to you your state of mind thru all this.

If you can do nothing else an no one seems interested in helping you call THE addiction hotline an ask for a number or referral for the methadone or suboxone clinic. At least you will have some help an pain relief until you can find a Dr to take you on.

This is only info an my opinion to him and not for any and all.

Excuse my typos my laptops on the blink an I'm trying to type this on a kindle. Shakey hands an little touch keyboards don't go well together.

Vickie

Post Edited (nvrthesame98) : 1/4/2013 5:35:08 AM (GMT-7)


lahaina
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   Posted 1/4/2013 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok something is SERIOUSLY wrong with Luies "story".

Straydog seemed to be the only one who asked the same questions that popped into my mind when I read Luies story.

Who the heck who has been on Pain Meds would say " I lost my Pain Management doctor over something SOOOOOOO stupid " ?

Then goes on to say ( in order ) that he had major oral surgery last month, had his Oxycodone meds STOLEN so he HAD to take the Vicodine script from the Oral surgeon, then he says that he told this to his Pain Management doctor TODAY and was dropped. Oh, but he has one Oxycodone left and took that (thought they were stolen?), then went to the Hospital for pain meds and got what he whined was a measley script for Percocet.
And after talking about all the crying he did ( I would have been crying when my meds were "stolen") he mentions that he is on 125 mg of Oxy A DAY. That's a Lot of Oxy !!!!! Enough that he should have known better !!

Sorry if i am coming off as harsh, I usually side with the patients but this person is making most real Pain patients look like idiots.

First....How did the theft occur? After someone asked you only said that 100 of 150 were taken. That is strange.Unless you meant that you'd already taken 50 of them and the remainder was 100. Also, a theft is a serious thing. I would have been furious about that & would have been yapping about getting robbed & having to call the cops, yet you just breeze over that..??..

Also, you said you had your monthly apt today but only then did you mention that your meds were stolen. Obviously the PA saw flaws in your story as well as the fact that you broke your contract. Oh, last note... am I the only one that noticed that where you list the meds you are on, he has his listed as if he himself is a doctor ???? I find this strange.

Don't mean to be a meanie, I do feel for you being without your meds. But i have a feeling that you will find a way to get your meds or at least enough to get by until you find someone else (Dr.).
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lahaina
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   Posted 1/4/2013 11:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I forgot to mention, I recently lost ~~ so to say my meds. What happened was I had to go out of state & one of my prescription bottles was in a zip lock bag. Well when it was time to head home, my husband added all the little toiletries along with my semi-wet toothbrush to the same baggie. Normally no problem..... Except that the bottle was not ' Child Proof '. Yup, it popped open and each pill got wet. I was pissed. Hubby felt really bad, kept saying " they're just a little wet " ( yeah with toothpasteish water and who knows what else ). I wasn't mad at him, he didn't know. I should have packed it .

So, when I went to the pharmacy recently, I asked for them to please put in my file to have child Proof bottles on every med they fill for me.... ( Even Ibprofren ). And unfortuantly I can't fill it again until the 10th of this month. it sucks majorly, but I didn't even say anything to the doc ( since i do have one refill left & this was my own oversite) but it sucks majorly. Only good thing is I learned a lesson. Thought i was protective enough of my meds, but I didn't consider dbl checking them when they are on me.....
Many dental surgeries. Bone grafts, implants, gum grafts,tried freezing facial nerve-pain came back ~
Constant facial pain. No feeling under side of bottom lip where skin split thru - 50 stitches aprox. Cervical fusion , C 4-6. Few knee surgeries, same one has arthrities. Next stop total knee replacement, but not there yet. Battle constant pain every day.
Meds- muscle relaxer & pain med.

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   Posted 1/4/2013 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Luie...I was just reading back through a lot of your earlier posts and I say this with compassion, but it really does seem like there is an issue with these medications. Since you joined here last year, you seem to have had numerous issues with prescribing meds, Drs. and you even admitted in your posts that you would "crush" the long acting medications like MSContin and Oxycontin.

That is not only abusing the medication but can be deadly.

This is not about judgment but about seeing a pattern to where you are not taking the medications as prescribed and being worried for you.

In this thread alone you have mentioned Oxycontin...and only having 1 20mg left....but you say in another post that it was the Oxycodone IR that got stolen....I'm not sure how you come up with the 125mg per day number as nothing adds up to this if you were prescribed both Oxycontin 20mg and then the 15mg Oxycodones for BT....That would mean your BT meds were more mg than your long acting ones each day and I don't know many Drs. who would prescribe this way.

We are here to support you no matter what....but I have to say I am very concerned with the things that you have written in all your posts. Especially with you saying you are a CNA and a Pharmacy Tech.

I truly hope that if there is an addiction issue going on that you take this time to do some soul searching. This doesn't make you a bad person...and it also doesn't mean that you don't have true pain issues that need treatment. As Neverthesame mentioned, there are Drs. who will help treat both aspects of this. There are other medications like Methadone or Suboxone that help with pain and may be more suited to you.

We are a compassionate group of people on this board and it's only because of the inconsistencies in many of your threads that I bring this up for you to ponder.

I do wish you luck...

Post Edited (Snowbunny21) : 1/4/2013 10:50:41 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/4/2013 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, so sorry t0 hear your bad news.  I have had my medicine stolen right out of my purse by my own nephew, as he had a bad oxy habit.  I went and filled out a police report, paid 5 dollars for the paper the police wrote and went back to my pharmacy, called my meacdicare pharmacy and within 15 minutes had my medicine back.
 
 
I urge you to go to the police whether you know who stole the meds or not.  As they tighten the grip on some states, we must make sure we also do what at least medicare tells you to do.  Now my cowardly newphew fled to Ohio, if he steps back in Maryland, He will be arrested and detained, and I will the least bit sorry for him.  He caused me much pain.
 
Good Luck
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