L4 L5 Back Hip Siatic pain, off work for a while

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Shelter
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   Posted 9/23/2007 7:40 AM (GMT -7)   
I know I am not alone,   and many people suffer with pain
I have had problems with my back off & on for many years,
and had periods with no trouble at all.
recently had experienced  severe hip pain,  with shooting pain down rigth leg,...   some hobble waking,.. and lots of back pain right across the lower back...    after a couple of weeks I started seeing a Chiropractor, and  also booked an apt with my doctor.   At first    I  was afraid to be put off work, with all that would mean fiancially....    
But nothing stemming from Fear  is good.
So   with Fear set aside,   and  I started regular treatments, bi- weekly
after   8 weeks with no relenting even  choosing to be careful at work, not to push or lift...    my Doctor put me off work for 3 weeks to see if th Rest would help
I have  2 vertebrae  mis aligned ? some how, is what the xrays show, plus  deterioration of cartiledge, "arthritis?" //    casuing prob. the flare up in back and hips,  etc...
 
I guesss non of us know how long, when, or why  things happen...
I know I need to loose weight
I also need to excercise,  and   stengthen my back muscles,
 
my daughter is studying to e a massage therapist , she let me know L4 & L5
support our BODY... they are the   strength of our spine... so having problems there is not good.
 
I also have Sjrogren's; which casues  many systemic problems, I  battle mild depression, and chronic fatigue.
taking  Extra stength Robaxacet,  advil,   on ocassion  cyclobenziprine, using cold pacs, and hot pacs,    chiroprator,  massage therpy, excercises
 
 
 
 
 
They that wait upon teh Lord shall renew their Strength, they shall mount up on wings as eagles, they shall run & not grow weary, they shall walk & not faint..."  Ish   40 v. 31

 


rehabnurse
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   Posted 9/23/2007 8:12 AM (GMT -7)   
X-rays alone are a very poor way to diagnose disc problems, etc. Yes, of course you have the classic symptoms. But pain just across your back may mean discs higher up the lumbar (your lower back) spine are damaged. Your daughter is correct in the the L5-S1 vertebra is the main crux of the body, and many people have "slipped" or herniated discs in that area without even knowing it. Others, like you and the rest of us, have lots of pain associated with it.

Do you have a regular doctor who can order an MRI?? Or can you ask for a referral to a spine specialist that can order one??? I really, really would recommend finding a doctor who specializes in the spine to look at an MRI of your back. An MRI gives very detailed images of your spine, and the doctors can tell exactly where the damage is, and then can give you a more detailed list of your options.

How much pain are you in??? Is your pain still strictly across your lower back?? Or is it mainly in your leg (sciatic nerve)? Do you have any numbness or tingling?? Do you have loss of bowel or bladder function??? Do you have weakness in the leg with the pain (or are both your legs affected)??? What are you using for pain and does it help???

Please consider asking your doctor for an MRI and a referral to a spine specialist. IMHO, x-rays are a horrible tool for evaluating spinal cord problems. Also, be very careful in what kind of exercises you do. If you do anything improper, it can cause more injury. I really think you could benefit from some Physical Therapy and learn how to do some stretching and some core muscle strengthening. Your stomach muscles play a large role in supporting your back muscles.

I can't gather from reading your post if the chiropractor has helped. Have you seen any improvement?? In 8 weeks, you should have. Be careful with chiropractors. I don't mean to sound like I don't believe in alternative medicine, but as with all health practitioners, some are better than others. I would be asking your doctor for recommendations for a weight-reduction and back/abdominal exercises (or preferably asking a physical therapist). No sense in making the wrong movement and worsening the problem.

I just realized I never welcomed you to Healing Well. There is a great group of people here, all sharing chronic pain, along with many other illnesses. Please continue to post and let us know how things go, okay???
DX: DDD, DJD, HNP L2-S1, OA, OP, intractable pain, severe asthma, COPD, migraines, endometriosis, uterine ca, PCOS, metabolic syndrome, chronic epstien-barr virus, fibromyalgia, depression, anxiety, PTSD, avoidant personality disorder, social phobia, SLE, connective tissue disorder

MEDS: MS Contin 100mg q 6; MSIR 30mg q 6 PRN; Celebrex 200mg QD; Actiq 600mcg q 6 PRN; Lamactil 25mg BID; Klonopin 0.5mg BID, Cymbalta 60mg QD;
Ventolin 2 puffs q 6; Advair 500/50 one puff q 12, Multivitamin


kttn251977
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   Posted 9/23/2007 4:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Shelter, I have major issues with my L-4 and L-5 along with the sciatic nerve in both legs- more dominate in my right leg. Rehab is right in A true pain management dr or specialist can save you from yourself. I can think back to high school with a "sore" back- always stretching. I'm only 30 now and the symptoms became unbearable a month after I began seeing a chiropratcer. I like to stay away from taking medication too, but the chiro made me worse. (they aren't all bad- it was just in my case it became worse) After multiple drs gave me different diagnosis I was finally referred to a PM (pain mgt) dr, where I went multiple test. There are several kinds, one test is even for the nerves in your leg (I believe it is called an EMG) to try and determine the severity of nerve pain. It's not an easy road and even still we are trying to find the right combo of pain meds to get me through the day.... as far as depression, they are linked close togther. I never considered myself as a "depressed" kind of person, but eventually I had a breakdown. My age, weight, everything I felt life was so unfair... after the dr put me on meds for depression (zoloft & amitryptiline) the back pain has even decreased. And I have tried everything- I mean everything. Hot & cold packs, chiropractic, acupuncturists, traditional and massage therapy. I am being released to physical therapy next month- whic i am very excites, i have not been able to exercise in 2 years- and another thing that helps me a lot is massage therapy. A true massage therapist can stretch your muscles GENTLY to help keep them from being sore and stiff. Hope this helps some- there are a lot of people on here with the same or very similar issues. Talking to people here has made me feel not so alone anymore. Good luck and keep us updated.

SarahP
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   Posted 9/24/2007 6:05 AM (GMT -7)   
I found a really good chiro recently, who actually admitted they couldn't see herniated, bulging, etc. disks with xrays. I DID find out that the "degenerative disk disease" and "osteoarthritis" my old PCP dx'ed me with is not there. Not a bit of degeneration. And he took an extra set of xrays for free, just to be absolutely sure. Nada, nothing.

I do have about four vertebrate in my lumbar area that are offset and twisted.. naturally impinging on the nerve roots there. Chiro said I could have herniated one and since it was seen on an MRI he's going with that, but admitted xrays will NOT show it.. said they could "suggest" it and an MRI would be needed. My neck is also in the same shape with the same problem.

Right now, I'm just going with the flow to see if chiro helps, but I won't let it drag on for months on end, either he helps in a couple weeks, or he doesn't. With what I saw on my xray, not sure if anything else could possibly help but doping myself into oblivion with pain pills.

He also told me to be very careful with exercises. Said too much or the wrong type can aggravate the spine and worsen the pain and possibly the problem.
I'm not procrastinating----I'm still doing yesterday!!!! 
I have no medical training, any medical opinions expressed in my posts are just that....opinions.

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Shelter
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   Posted 9/24/2007 7:52 AM (GMT -7)   
thanks
my Doctor is referring me for MRI
Chrio - has so far not helped a lot
but uses electro soething pads, and puts me on it fora few minutes
its like a tens machine?
also uses ultra sound
she hasnt done too much in the way of adjustments..
but i am cautious
she is alittle thing
and I am 100 pouhds voer weight and was a big girl before i gained


I MUST Loose weight
and i am doing some strengtching
They that wait upon teh Lord shall renew their Strength, they shall mount up on wings as eagles, they shall run & not grow weary, they shall walk & not faint..."  Ish   40 v. 31

 


mercyme
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   Posted 9/27/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Can you tell me what a tens machine is? I am seeing a pain mag. doctor now and she recommended maybe trying tens therpay, whatever that is?? I had a MRI recently , but I only know from my old MRI that I have a protruding disc in L4 and L5. I also have a bone spur in my neck, and I suffer with migraines.

I'm not sure what they will do for me, but am hoping they can give me some relief. I would like to work, but with the migraines, and neck and back problems it's hard to find a job that I can do. I can't sit for long periods or else my sicatica starts to flare up and standing to long hurts my lower back. Oh my I'm a mess.

I've thought about substitute teaching that way I can work on a day to basis on how I am feeling. Not sure what they pay per day, but anything would help out and make me feel better that I'm helping others.

Blessings,

Cindy

mercyme
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   Posted 9/30/2007 1:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Gramps for replying back. I think the tens unit sounds worth a try, because surgery is not an option for me. I've been through brain surgery and another surgery is not on my to do list, lol. Thanks again I appreciate it.

Cindy

straydog
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   Posted 9/30/2007 2:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Cindy, by all means give the Tens Unit a try. I have a very small one and mine helps with the spasms. In most cases your insurance will rent one for you, if it helps they may buy one for you later. My dr explained to me with the the electrical pulses will work say a muscle w/o harming the muscle, it will eventually stops spasms that are so bad and it helps trigger our pain killer our body provides. I have used them on my knees, back & neck. Susie


Shelter
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   Posted 9/30/2007 8:44 PM (GMT -7)   
redface   Halleluiah !   was my  experience using a TENS machine years ago
 
in  1988 , I was pregnat with triplets.. and had kidney stones...
I couldnt take the usual ten # 3's...  so it was suggested I try the TENS..   it worked  :-) .  I recomend trying it.
 
I have been off work now  1 week,......... and its amazing          the difference in my abck pain...  and movement
 
I'm  looking for ward to week # 2  now taht some of the pain is  lifting, maybe I can  enjoy relxing...  I spent some of last week
"zombied" on   cyclobenzeprine...  slept     was sooo relaxed
 
thankful for the  rest, and the healing....
 
Blessings
 
They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their Strength, they shall mount up on wings as eagles, they shall run & not grow weary, they shall walk & not faint..."  Ish   40 v. 31
 
~
Sjrogrens Syndrome, Asthema, Chronic Fatigue, Chronic Pain, Head aches, Migraines, Gastro Intestinal Problesm,  Esophegial Spasms,( L4 & L5 Vertebrae Misaligned, degeneratvie problems), Fibro Myalgia ,Kidney Stones
~
Meds:  Cyclobeniprine, Amitripline, Advil, Robaxacet, vitamins,  Rhodiola RX (GNC brand) ,Garlic, Vit B complex,  Acidophilous, 
 

 


Shelter
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Date Joined Feb 2007
Total Posts : 155
   Posted 10/3/2007 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
UPDATE -- i had 4 days in a row pain free WOW

then well yesterday it stats up again - no apparent reason
.
*sigh**
going for CT SCan in the morning
They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their Strength, they shall mount up on wings as eagles, they shall run & not grow weary, they shall walk & not faint..."  Ish   40 v. 31
 
~
Sjrogrens Syndrome, Asthema, Chronic Fatigue, Chronic Pain, Head aches, Migraines, Gastro Intestinal Problesm,  Esophegial Spasms,( L4 & L5 Vertebrae Misaligned, degeneratvie problems), Fibro Myalgia ,Kidney Stones
~
Meds:  Cyclobeniprine, Amitripline, Advil, Robaxacet, vitamins,  Rhodiola RX (GNC brand) ,Garlic, Vit B complex,  Acidophilous, 
 

 


mercyme
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   Posted 10/5/2007 6:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry to hear your pain has started back up Shelter. I too am suffering with back pain. I have joint spurring in my neck C6-7 Moderate in degree. A broad-base disc protrusion in L4-5. Minimal disc bulging at T12-L1 and L1-2. L4-5 there is severe disc degeneration. Sounds like I'm falling apart. I just got my Mri report today.

Hoping things go well for you and you get your pain undercontrol. Thinking of you

God Bless,

Mercyme
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