I AM HORRIFIED OF WITHDRAWING FROM OXYCODONE--PLEASE HELP

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James449
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   Posted 12/10/2007 2:02 PM (GMT -7)   
I admit it.
 
I am a baby.
 
I have no tolerance for pain and certaining no tolerance for the awful withdrawal symptoms I know I am going to experience if I stop taking oxycodone.
 
I am sending this message out in the hope that someone has had a successful experience in quitting this drug by gradually tapering off.
 
If you could share with me your formula for tapering off (with minimal discomfort) I would be most grateful.
 
For the last two years (following a car accident that left me with several herniated cervical disks-for which I had 2 surgeries) I have been taking oxycodone for pain.  I started out at four 30 mg pills a day, and because my tolerance kept increasing, I am now up to eight 30 mg pills a day.  I no longer have signficant pain (nothing that can't be handled by Ibuprofen or asprin)--I am just physically addicted and I am truly sick and tired of having to take these pills just to keep from getting sick.  There is really not even a "high" or pleasant buzz like there was in the beginning.    
 
I feel I absolutely HAVE to quit them and My experience (I tried it once and it was unbelievably horrifying)  is that going cold turkey-speaking just for me--is not an option. (Because of the sickness--you know, the diarrhea, twitchiness, insomnia, overall pain, and a nervousness, no--an all-consuming terror--that seems to approach a complete panic attack.)
 
So does anybody have a suggestion for precisely how I can taper down to nothing?  A precise schedule would be great.  Should I decrease to seven 30mg pills a day for a few days, then 6 a day, etc?  Does anybody know how I can time the decreases?  (For example, how many days should I be taking 4 pills a day before going down to 3).
 
And once I finally reach Day Zero--no pills at all--can I still expect to have significant withdrawal symptoms?
 
I must confess that I am more afraid of the horrors of oxycodone withdrawal than I am of death.  Like I said, I am a baby.
 
For reasons I won't bore you with, obtaining assistance from a doctor or rehab or detox place is not possible.
 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
James
 
 

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   Posted 12/10/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi James,

I'm sorry that you're so miserable right now. Doesn't matter how you got there but you do need some help getting off the medications. Your doctor can give you something called suboxone to get you off of the oxycontin. You will avoid withdrawal symptoms using this method. It may take a couple of months to do it but at the dosage you are on you have to expect it to take time.

Please go to your doctor with this problem...he can help you.

Keep in touch,
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   Posted 12/11/2007 1:35 AM (GMT -7)   
James

I too am on lots of meds, oh how I wish yo get off all of this and just try to see what it like taking nothing. I know the dred you feel as sometimes the withdrawl feelings are just as bad as the pain, maybey worse. both evil. i have seen some drastic stuff on the web, not sure, but I think they keep you sedated for a few days so you are are unaware of the withdrawl symptoms, not sure if this works or not, almost willing to try if I could, I am also searching for a better way than the meds, mabey surgery. hang in there

James449
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   Posted 12/11/2007 2:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Chutz and Crohnie:  Thanks for taking the time to send me messages.  I have never used a Forum like this and had no idea what to expect, but one thing I have discovered is that People Are Willing To Help Out A Total Stranger--and for that I am grateful. 
 
I have always had tremendous difficulty asking anyone for help (even friends and famiy), let alone anonymous folks on a website, so I am touched by what I see throughout these posts and forums and people with similar problems reaching out to help others. 
 
Trying to detox/withdraw alone, by myself, has been--to understate it--the hardest thing I have ever attempted.  Just knowing there are others out there, others willing to a take time to help me out, is helpful, beyond words.

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   Posted 12/11/2007 9:26 AM (GMT -7)   
first of all "DO NOT DO THIS BY YOURSELF " you need to go to a dr. for help . and if you do what he says you shouldnt have to worry . So relax . Everything will be fine

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volfan
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   Posted 12/11/2007 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
James, You are right, the withdrawal symptoms are horrible to say the least. I recently went off morphine cold turkey and OH...MY...GOSH!!! It was the worst but I am now glad i did it. Not so much the cold turkey part but getting off that stuff was worth it all. I thought that I was going to be weaned off it but I had to stop it in order to have the neurostimulator implant. I had to before the doc would agree to do it so cold turkey was the quickest route for me. I still have trouble sleeping at times but getting better. I hope you all the luck and pain free happiness in the future. have a Blessed Day!

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   Posted 12/11/2007 9:57 AM (GMT -7)   
James -

Whatever you reasons for not being able to goto a doctor or therapist are, you need to find a way around them.

If for some reason you just can't under any circumstances get to a doctor - call a toll free drug helpline - anything.

IF you still decide to do this on your own - the best way I can think of with you being on such a high dose is to decrease your pain med amount by one pill per week.

But honestly - call someone and get help - you were taking the medication for a legitimate reason - doctors know these medications can cause dependance - they can't just stop you at that dosage - it's against the law (in most places) they have to help you wean off of them or they are breaking the vow they took when they became a doctor.

*hugs* and take care!
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   Posted 12/12/2007 5:16 PM (GMT -7)   
James- I agree with the others who are suggesting to get some help with this. It is not easy, but it is possible. There has been recent press about the addictiveness of oxycontin and oxycodone in the news and how the drug companies may have "left that part out" when reporting on the side effects. Try the Drug company websites- they may have something posted- like the tobacco companies have quitting info posted.

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   Posted 12/12/2007 5:52 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree you need a drs help with this. You are on a very potent drug and it could be very dangerous to you to try it on your own. If you still refuse to get a drs help, then try it the way it was posted one pill a week less. If that is too much and you have WD/ try 1 pill every 2 weeks. The key is very slowly. Good luck.


James449
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   Posted 12/13/2007 8:05 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks for the good suggestions.

I would love to seek professional help on this, to see a doctor, however, that is impossible for reasons I won't bore anyone with.  Reducing by one pill a week would be a good system if I had enough of the pills to do that.  Instead, what I will do--starting today--is limit myself to just 4 pills today, then in 3 days, go down to 3 pills, etc. until I am off.  I realize there will be unpleasant withdrawal symptoms, however, they will be nowhere as severe as going cold turkey which would be agony.

Thank you all for your help and support.

 


TDoern
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   Posted 12/13/2007 10:07 AM (GMT -7)   
James if you must do it this way... I went and did some web searching for you.

What you can expect is:

Insomnia - get some over the counter sleep medication and take as prescribed to help
Explosive runs to the bathroom - buy some Immodium to help with that
Hot and Cold flashes - get a heating pad and an ice pack - take hot or cold showers whatever is needed
Restless, twitchy legs - from what I can read there is no fix for this, short of not getting into bed until you are barely able to keep your eyes open, and hoping you fall asleep before it hits you
Headaches - Aleeve or whatever you use for them
dehydration - drink plenty of water - nothing else. nothing else to stimulate your body - you don't want your body to start becoming dependent on something else when you are taking it off of something

Also - it's advised to take a few days off - after you've stopped the medication - so that no one at your job see's you going through this. If you have a friend who can help you - I advice bringing them in for a few reasons. One is to support you, maybe play games, or watch movies, if you like to run or walk do that with them, anything to keep your mind and body occupied. The other reason is that with you limiting your pill intake - you know you have other pills. It would be very easy for you to take an extra. Also - there is no telling what shape your mind will be in - you need someone there in case you get suicidal, violent, or have seizures from withdrawal or anything like that. I'd make sure this is someone you trust, and have known for a long time, and understands you may say horrible ugly things. Make sure they have a cell phone so that if things get really bad they can call 911.

Just a personal suggestion - I think the hardest transition for you is going to be from 1 pill to nothing. If you can, and your pills can be broken in half, start at 2 pills a day, broken in half - so four times a day and then however you have to - allow yourself 1 pill a day broken in half for a few - and then just half a pill a day for the longest amount of time. It will allow your body to adjust to have barely any of the medication without the shock of stopping a little longer, and might make stopping a bit easier.

Also - seriously consider going to some type of support group. Call a local church and ask if they have a number, or a place you can go. The first few weeks are going to be rough, but you can do this. You've made a huge step in realizing you aren't in pain that requires these med's, and deciding to stop. I wish I could explain to you how awesome it is that you are at a point with your pain where you don't need these medications. Consider yourself truly blessed in that aspect.

I wish you the best!
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"Cause when push comes to shove You taste what you're made of, You might bend, till you break Cause its all you can take; On your knees you look up Decide you've had enough, You get mad you get strong Wipe your hands shake it off, Then you Stand" From "Stand" by Rascal Flatts
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James449
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   Posted 12/13/2007 10:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Tammy, some great, and useful suggestions.  Thank you so much!

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   Posted 12/13/2007 6:58 PM (GMT -7)   
yeah  Hi James! Happy Holidays to you and yours (if you can eyes )
 
In 1992 I had a bad skiing accident, tore up my knee and my thumb so bad if it weren't for a little bone and my skin it would have been attached at all. The thumb had to have surgery immediately, but the knee had to be immobilized for 8 weeks. Nobody told me that if you immobilize even a healthy joint for 8 weeks, bending and using it again will be painful. Well turns out I am a real champ at producing scar tissue or keyloids with an injury, so my knee didn't want to bend at all. They tried for 5 months through my screaming and crying and then finally had to put me out and then bend it all the way. Then in Sept. 1992 I had Spinal Menegitis, not fun a all.
 
In 1994 I had a double rear-ending. First car hit hit at about 35 mph, and the second car hit of both at abput 60-65 mph. That really screwed up my neck and shoulders. In Feb. 1997 I had the first of four knee surgeries, I had to be in a leg machine 18 hours a day for 3 months. Needless to say my back and neck did not react well at all. Another knee surgey Jan. 1998, March 1999, and March 2000. In 2001 I was rear-ended again when I was on my way to see a neurologist about my neck.
 
He sent me to a Pain Management doc, she tried nerve blocks for my upper back (6 of 'em) and my neck (6 of 'em) and then she put me on a fentyl patch and pain meds.
 
Just wanted to qualify myself as a bonefide "mess" of pain, docs, tests, and fear of drugs.
 
I don't know how you've found drugs to be; when I had spinal menengitis I was in the hospital and they gave me demerol. When I was first admitted I had such an awful headache I remember telling them, "If you can't make it stop, shoot me!" I was in the hospital for 10 days. The day I was to go home, I got into my clothes and packed my stuff and got a headache again. The doctor said I would likely have headaches when I overdid something. Then the nurse came in and said I was scheduled to have my last demerol shot. I told him I was leaving, he said, "may as well have it, it will help to trip home be easier." So I agreed and he gave it to me. Boy did I feel great! I was really glad I was leaving!  So I have come to the conclusion that when we have terrible pain and get medicated it medicates the pain, not us. But as/or if we get better, then the medication medicates our brain. That's what we don't want to happen. Though there is no tried and true way to gauge that part.
 
Anytime I ever got medication that made me feel like, "whew, get me cigarettes and a glass of wine," I called the doctor and told him I broke out in hives and must have an allergy to something in the meds and could he call my doctor and get a different drug.
 
Your doctor actually should have been watching your treatment and as your pain decreased brought you meds down just a little. But we can't go back and change something now. When I was taking the oxycodone I only took 1 in the morning and 1 at night, I don't remember the dosage. The darn things kept me awake anyway so I was happy to try and cut out the one a night. I did that for about three weeks, then when I saw the doc I told him what I'd done and he became angry with me. He was suppose to be the one in charge and I wasn't suppose to do anything without consulting him first. Then he cut the last dose in half and gave some kind of pills designed to help with withdrawal symptoms.
 
Sounds like you are at a much higher plateau than I was so what I have to say might not help you as much as both of us would like it to.
 
I am 100% Native American, when I was young I tried drinking, but I didn't do it very well at all, in fact I was a real screw up. So I went to AA to stop drinking. I haven't had a drink in more than 25 years. It is for this reason that I am dearful of drugs and getting off them. I have heard more than one story of people going back to booze after having a dance with medications.
 
We are addicts. I hate the sound of that, and I hate it when my husband calls me that, but point in fact, that's what we are. The reason the drugs entered our lives was for pain, we did not seek out drugs for recreation or highs, but we are now addicted; we need them to manage pain. I have been very frightened when I would come down in my dosages.
 
In 2003 I found a physcial therapist that used a fairly new PT system that could reduce scar tissue. At that time only 7 physcial therapists in California were using it. Anyway, they did their thing, and I did the exercises to make my weak muscles stronger and in 9 months my pain was much better. I went to my Pain Management doc and asked her if I could reduce my patch, which then was 50 mcg. every other day plus break through pills. She said she thought if I did it would not be enough to manage my pain. I went back to my physical therapist and told her what the Doc had said and she got angry and reminded me, "It's your body, if you want to go down just tell her, you want to go down!" So I went back and told her I wanted to go down to the next lower patch, which for me would be half. That is alot. To cut your meds in half. A 25 mcg patch a less than half the pills.
 
I don't where you are spiritually, if you have a belief in a Power Greater than yourself, but I got in touch with my friends and told my husband, and I decided to give it a try. I was squirrelly as hell, couldn't sleep and my back hurt and was tight. I went to physical therapy for the back tightness, I used a couple of tubes of IceyHot and wrote a lot of letters at night when I couldn't sleep. But I connected with Mother Earth and Father Sky twice a day when I meditated and I got through it.
 
If you are like my husband, you won't buy any of that crap. He is much too logical, but then again he won't take drugs no matter what.
 
Please James consider my alternative. I have had huge doses of meds in the past for all the surgeries, illness, and manipulations and hardware installed I've had to endure, but my belief system and by reaching out (which you have done, that's great!) get someone to come play cards with you all night if you need it. Where are you in the world? If you were near-by maybe we could put a network together for you.
 
I have been a proponent of Pain Management patients talking to one another for years, but my affiliation to AA has made it hard for me, there are certain people in the program who think you have undone your status if you have taken drugs. My original sponsor told me I should never tell doctors I am an alcoholic because they do not know what to do with that information, they just flag you as a risk, and don't treat you. My sponsor said it is a cop out that you tell your doctor and make him responsible, you and you alone must be responsible for your sobriety. So many people think, if I tell my doctor I'm an alcoholic, then it's up to him not give me something bad. That's bullcrap, it is your responsibility to monitor yourself not his. If you have done your steps, then you have gotten to know this vast stranger of your life -you, and you need to be able to "see" what you look like when you are preparing to "set-up bar."
 
Sorry, didn't mean to go all weird on you. Each and every time I have gotten patches or pills, I pray to my Greater Power, I say, "Here I am, you know me, you know where I want to be and where I don't want to be, help me now to use this for my pain not my brain." To this day I have not taken a drug that has made me feel "great" in the wrong way.
 
I mean to sound preachy about that either, for those of us cursed with chronic, acute pain, is it so bad that we want just one day where we don't borderline awful. Aren't we entitled to a few days of feeling pretty good? Yes, I know that one. So most days I take only 50% of what I need, then on holidays or precious days with my grandchildren I take the full dose prescribed so I can enjoy a bit of the day.
 
It's bad enough that the people in our life only get "half of us" most of the time, they don't understand we feel just as bad about that.
 
If it is possible that have more nerve pain than other pain, there is a nerve pain med out there, and the switch from one to the other isn't too bad. Is this an option for you? From there cutting down is easier than the oxy. What are your options? Is it insurance related or have you been labeled?
 
Hope I have helped in any way at all, I just surely do know how you feel. For me it was the drug and a fear of death through alcoholism first, and I do not want to die of drugs and alcohol. I am willing to do whatever work it takes to get stronger, better, and move health in and drugs out, slowly so as not to wake the other demon in my body.
 
Forgive my typos, I have so much to do before Xmas, and only so much time and body-clock time.
Respond if you feel any similarities or hope, it's a sign that your heart heard my heart. Otherwise, I hope you find someone that does have the similarities you seek.
 
Gremma

James449
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   Posted 12/13/2007 7:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Gremma, thanks for your thoughtful suggestion.
 
I have also been a member of AA for many years and, as you know, they consider drug usage an "outside issue" and really don't want to hear about it.  So unfortunately, AA members are not going to be much help in this case.  Looks like I will have to tough it out and hope whatever Higher Power that takes pity on dual addicted persons will spare some mercy for me.
 
Thanks again for taking the time for such a thoughtful post.
 
James

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   Posted 12/13/2007 10:07 PM (GMT -7)   
James,

Remember you have us to lean on any time you need it.

Hugs,
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   Posted 12/14/2007 8:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Gremma..........
I am a Native Canadian........Sober since March 18th ,1979 ......the day after my hubby was killed in a car accident ( as is my Dad).........I went to AA and my Doc knows about my AA affiliation and my continued friendship with my sponser of way back then,and he has no problems with this at all NOR have I been flagged as a risk
I am not Addict........I do need to depend on the pain meds for all I have going on with me and I am dependant on them to function at a level ........barely function but still I do .........

I also go to Healing Huts and I go to the Elders as well for guidance and spiritual rituals ....
I will never want to take a drink again .....one day at a time .......BUT I will not stop taking my pain meds or I will not be able to get off the darn couch and have some semblance of life ...Like you I want to enjoy my Grandbabes and teen daughter....teach them their heritage and the Dancing ( My daughter and I compete in a few Pow Wow's)...Like you I dont get a " high" or a "buzz" at all even at the strength of my meds .......

I do wish I did not have to really rely on the meds but thats NOT an option for me or for many others.......

I am glad to have had the chance to post to you and I am happy for your sobriety........

Life is too beautiful to let it be passed by IMHO so I will continue as I am .........Taking meds....self help techniques and being happy no matter what ..........

Take care of you n ......
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   Posted 12/14/2007 8:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Welcome James
I am confused
Are you on oxycontin or Oxycocet ( percocet)
Check out what Redmoon suggessted as well .....
 
**BTW** I would be checking into the Med that Chutz had posted about ....Just a thought


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   Posted 12/14/2007 3:15 PM (GMT -7)   
yeah  James,
That's why I don't talk about it to very many people, but many an old timer has come up to me after a meeting when they knew about my surgeries and when I had the car accidents and said "Take the pills" quietly. Most of us know the "med-swat police" are out there, but many also are in the exactly the same place we are; they have come up against constant chronic pain and they have taken the meds. One old timer told me, "pain will send you back out too." 
 
I absolutely believe that now.  Before I accepted that I needed to experiment (geez that alone sounds terrible) but to find a med that would manage my pain without tempting my brain, but only with My Higher Power's help and staying close to those in the program that I trust. They know me and they know how I was before. I could not stand or sit for more than 45 minutes. I was home bound. People brought meetings to me. There is a lot more compassion out there than you realize, it's just a touchy subject, as you know.
 
Believe me, I went to a lot of trouble to get sober and change my life, I'm not about to let my body tear it all away from me, not without a fight. Fight for it James! Prayer, trust, and willing to go to any lengths, remember?
 
I'll watch for you. If you need to connect I'll be here, except I'm going to my son's for Xmas for three days.  Every morning at 9 a.m. both us kneel and say the 3rd step prayer, or if you're not a morning person, which I was not for a while 'cause I couldn't sleep with the pain, then also at 1 p.m. I'll kneel and pray with you. I don't mean to go online, I mean do it at that time every day. The power we generate just calling for the same thing at the same time will give us both strength. That's all it takes one drunk talking to another. Just say, "I'll try."
 
Gremma

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James
How are you making out??
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