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DilaudidDependent
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   Posted 12/20/2007 7:32 PM (GMT -7)   
My pain management started out with Tramadol which made me have a crawling, reoccuring nerve based itch all over my body.
 
I've been taking Dilaudid for about four months now.
I started out with 2mg a day,
but by the "end" I was IV'ing approximately 10mg/day.
 
I used up my 30 day supply in 12 days (give or take a day),
and I refuse to ask the doctor for more.
 
This is my 3rd day of withdrawls,
and although it seems to be getting easier...every day is extremely trying.
 
The pain (due to a torn L4 or L5 disc and degenerative disc disease) has continued to worsen since my injury last January.
I have tried PT, traction (I have a traction chair at home), 2 cortisone shots,
but medication has been the only thing to get rid of the pain thus far.
 
I am scheduled to see a neurosurgeon next Thursday,
but I don't know how I'm going to make it through Christmas (and the approaching work week).
 
 
Yesterday and today I have been crying off-and-on, screaming, and praying to God.
I am also currently taking Lyrica, however, the nausea that has ensued has kept me from taking the Lyrica.
(Also resulting in more pain...in addition to the pain of withdrawl.)
 
 
I know that my actions were a serious mistake,
and I have even been called a "degenerate" in one of my online communities.
 
I ended up here because of a search,
and I'm glad that I did...just reading through the topics/posts has been major support.
 
However, I have questions for those who can relate:
 
How does withdrawl from hydromorphone differ from that of morphine, fentanyl, or oxycontin?
 
I know they are all differing in exact chemical makeup,
but that they are all opiates...withdrawl times, and symptoms should be similar then?
 
I am wanting to go through work (on my 20lb lifting, bending, pushing/pulling restriction),
and have a surgery (hopefully) without the use of any more opiates...
 
...is this feasible?
 
Would Valerian root added to my chamomile/peppermint tea be of some use?
Would anyone advise against this?
 
Tylenol PM seems to help a small amount,
but trying to sleep is a complete mishap.
Any sleep suggestions for torn discs in the lower back?
 
 
Thanks ahead of time for any replies.
 
 
 
 
 
 
P.S.--Wish me luck.

Post Edited (DilaudidDependent) : 12/20/2007 7:37:27 PM (GMT-7)


Mochiah
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   Posted 12/20/2007 8:17 PM (GMT -7)   
The only part I can answer is about sleeping with torn disks. I use LOTS of pillows and a memory foam topper on my bed (I also have the TempurPedic bed but added the topper for extra softness). I have a body pillow under my knees if I lay on my back or to put between my knees if I am on my side. I also have a pillow on either side of me so no matter which way I turn during the night I have the pillow there for me and I don't have to wake up as much to reposition things.

I also read on here that the Valerian root works well as does Calms Forte.

I have no answer about the difference in WDs. I can only wish you luck.
Mochiah/a.k.a. Sue
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L4-5 surgery with cages, plates, and screws in 2005, I have continued pain 
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Chutz
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   Posted 12/20/2007 8:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi and welcome to the forum. You will never be attacked or belittled here as you have seen. This is a place for support. I'm sorry you're in such a miserable state around the holidays. I don't know if there's a difference in coming off the different types of opioids. I would guess that they're very similar. If you're doing that well on day 3 I would think you may be over the worst of it.

If you ever have to go off this type of medication please ask your doctor for help. It can be very dangerous, to the point of seizures, to go cold turkey. Please keep in touch and I'm sure others will be by with their advice.

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DilaudidDependent
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   Posted 12/21/2007 6:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for the advice regarding the pillows and regarding the Dr.
 
I have been asking my doctor to prescribe some Buprenorphine for a couple of months.
(as long as I had been putting them into my arm)
 
However, he said that you need a special license to prescribe it,
and that he did not have one.
 
I should have asked for a referral at that point.
darn the hindsight!
 
You're probably right...I hear about the withdrawls that other people have had and I can relate:
 
1) body aches/bone pains (constant)
 
2) nausea/vomiting (was constant, but at day 3 is subsiding)
    EDIT: until I drank water too fast after typing this...oh-no
 
3) drug seeking (the 1st time I tried to stop around 17-20 days ago)
 
4) Definitely picking up some Immodium today (I would have slept even better last night...technically day 3/night 4)
 
5) I could see how an IV drip could be useful at this point (day 3), but will stick with the filtered water.
 
6) The headaches have decreased substantially by (day 3)
 
7) The restless leg (night 1 and 2) has mostly stopped,
    but the tossing and turning that I had stopped doing while on the meds has returned in full.
 
8) Any ability I had to be "level-headed" had flown out the window yesterday,
    but after last nights sleep a slight sense of well-being has returned this morning
    (before I have to go work, of course)
   
    I attribute the psychotic(?) behavior to the lack of sleep, and intense...neigh...OVERWHELMING anxiety
    (which I've always had, but never this intense)
 
Thank you for the strength you have lent to me during this ever-so-strange time;
there is nothing like a good ol' addiction to fuel renewed interest in spirituality!
 
I hope you all have a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays!

DilaudidDependent
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   Posted 12/21/2007 8:57 AM (GMT -7)   
I just called the doctor,
and he was glad to hear I was finally off the medicine.
 
I'm going to start taking Celebrex again (despite the stomach upset),
and he offered to call in something for the anxiety like a Clonopine or Valium.
 
I hope this is the best course of action.

Chutz
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   Posted 12/21/2007 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   
That's great news! You have a doc who's very compassionate and that's the best kind.

Keep in touch,
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DilaudidDependent
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   Posted 12/21/2007 5:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Chutz said...
That's great news! You have a doc who's very compassionate and that's the best kind.

Keep in touch,
Chutz

    Very true; this man is the most wonderful doctor I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.
    His office humor lightens my day; he talks about the holidays, pheasant hunting,
 
    and even when I came back from a festival in early September and told him about my conversation with an orange
    he was quite interested, and nailed the reason I had been talking to said orange.
 
    When I got to the pharmacy today he had called in an entire bottle of Celebrex and 15x .5mg Valium.
 
    At 0.5mg dosage I shouldn't become addicted or have withdrawls from it
    (so says the pharmacist).
 
    I've probably got a "drug seeker" comment in my chart,   nono      
    but it was worth the four months of intense BLISS.

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   Posted 12/23/2007 8:36 AM (GMT -7)   
At 5 mgs of the valium no I do not think you will have aprob BUT they should help with the w/d

I take 2 10 mg valium when needed daily for anxiety and other illnesses I have
I wish you all the very best ..............

Just a point of suggesstion the valium will make you feel a bit euphoric or laid back BUT plz stick with the dose given by the doc or you will be in the same boat again and I dont think even with him being as compassionate he will RX more Benzo's til those are due to be done ..........Just suggessting so you are not hurting my friend ..I am not judging you at all ..........

Glad you posted and got some help

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DilaudidDependent
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   Posted 12/23/2007 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   

 

Howlyncat said...
At 5 mgs of the valium no I do not think you will have aprob BUT they should help with the w/d

I take 2 10 mg valium when needed daily for anxiety and other illnesses I have
I wish you all the very best ..............

Just a point of suggesstion the valium will make you feel a bit euphoric or laid back BUT plz stick with the dose given by the doc or you will be in the same boat again and I dont think even with him being as compassionate he will RX more Benzo's til those are due to be done ..........Just suggessting so you are not hurting my friend ..I am not judging you at all ..........

Glad you posted and got some help

Merry Christmas

      Well, it appears the generic name on the bottle had me confused, and I'm taking Xanax (Alprazolam) 0.5mg.
      (Which equated to 5mg Valium.)
 
      Thanks for the warning; the xanax doesn't really provide a buzz...just the well-needed rest I hadn't had for 4 days.
      (I probably slept 6 hours in 72 hours.)
 
      After the first 0.5mg dose...I slept through the entire night, and after I woke up that morning...
      ...I was able to actually LAUGH again after not doing so for approximately a week.
 
     Thank you so much for the advice (and the warning);
     after being an addict...I have to be very careful not to slip back down the spiral.
 
     P.S.- My mother-in-law has Crohn's disease; my prayers go out to you.


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   Posted 12/23/2007 10:53 AM (GMT -7)   
NO problem my friend .....My daughter is on the same med as you ..having gone thru all my illnesses with me ansd some pretty scary I might add but like you I keep some things in..........lol

Anyways yes they are good to help you sleep ....Valium has less of a life ( time span)

I am truly thankful you got help
PLZ stay with us and keep us posted on how you are doing

Thanks for your kind words as well towards me .much appreciated......
Give my regards to your MIL...send her to the Crohns forum here it is great ........LOL........Always pushing the forum I am I am ........
Smile my friend....it gets better...TRUST ME..........email me if you need to talk

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erin.K
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   Posted 12/28/2007 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
hi there...
my heart to you!  i accidently went through dilaudid withdrawal last summer!  i didn't even realize it!
i was on dilaudid for over 1.5 years @ 2mg 3xperday....plus morphine (Avinza)...i nixed the Avinza b/c it didn't work well and even at 60mg i still had to use  dilaudid for breakthrough pain.
so doc upped the dilaudid to 4mg 3xperday when needed.  and then we tried Arthrotec.
well the Arthrotec worked so great i stopped taking the dialudid!
stupid yeah, but i was so happy this other med was helping.
 
whoa man, i ran a temp of 102 on the 2nd day off dialudid. unrelievable shaking, chills, vomiting, restlessness, diarhea all day...NO SLEEP FOR 7 days straight.
a Dr. my boyfriend works with actually said, "maybe she's going through withdrawal!"
lo n' behold yeah i was.
all did pass after 5-6 days.
 
it was bad, and i am sorry you had to go through it.
hang in there.
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   Posted 1/7/2008 5:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey chutz, just so you know coming off of opioids does not typically have any risk of seizures. Benzos and Alcohol are the drugs which can cause seizures during withdrawal and be potentially fatal. Opioid withdrawal should not be dangerous to an otherwise healthy individual, hence the reason why doctors can cut peopl off opioids after evidence of abuse cold turkey and not worry about killing them and having a law-suit on their hands. That was just for the sake of having correct info out there though. You are defintely right that it is indeed best to come off all meds under the supervision of a doctor.

And that is great for the OP that they managed to quit. Just stay clean and you are golden. Be very careful with those Xanax though (as you seem to be, just follow the docs orders only) because if you thought opioid withdrawal felt bad, apparently its like a walk in the park compared to benzo (benzos are valium, xanax, clonopin, ativan etc.) withdrawal.

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   Posted 1/7/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Circa1988 said...
 because if you thought opioid withdrawal felt bad, apparently its like a walk in the park compared to benzo (benzos are valium, xanax, clonopin, ativan etc.) withdrawal.
 
    It is true that only alcohol and benzo's cause seizures and should always be detoxed with medical supervision, however, the chance of a seizure is rare and usually occurs in benzo patients that are taking well over the prescribed amounts. As far as which is worse depends on that fact alone.  The only really bad part of an alcohol/benzo withdrawal is the chance of having a seizure, which can be taken care of using simple detox medication.
 
    I have gone through withdrawls from Xanax (Alprazolam), Valium (Diazepam) , and Klonopin (Clonazepam). 
 
    Xanax was the worst of the benzo's then Valium and last Klonopin.  only taking a 3-7 days of (withdraw time) and then depending on how long it takes or if you even can get used to the anxiety again. Which, to me, can vary greatly.
 
    Opiates and engineered versions of them (I will just call them Opiates) on the other hand, are only dangerous if you have Hypertension or other heart ailments. Withdrawal symptoms from Opiates, for the most part, are pretty much homogeneous and depending on the dosage, severity too.
 
    The saying goes, "Ya, you could die going cold-turkey from benzos or alcohol, but you wish you were dead cold-turkey from Opiates."  As I said before the symptoms are pretty much the same depending on person and dosage, but the duration is dependant on the type of Opiate.
 
    Oxycontin and Methadone both have very long (withdrawal time). Depending on person and length of use, these opiates can take a month or longer for symptoms to depart entirely!! Methadone, for some, is worse than oxycontin in this aspect. 
 
    Heroin and Oxycontin, have the most intence withdrawal of them all. However, the duration of withdrawal time for Heroin lasts 2-7 days, whereas Oxycontin can last longer than a month.
 
   Hydromorphone, Fentanyl, Demerol and Morhpine also have a nasty withdrawal, but a bit less in duration and intensity.  These usually take 7-10 days to get through.
 
   Vicodin is a setp below these but can last as long. 
 
   Then comes the rest: Darvon, Codeine and others, bring up the rear with symptoms and duration ranging.
 
   All addictive drugs have thier own withdrawal and are different for everyone. Uppers and Downers.  Having been through many of these in my highschool and early college days, I can tell you that; by far, not even close, in the same ball-park, does anything come close to the physical and mental withdrawal than Opiates.
 
    Symptoms of withdawal can curtailed by using detox meds such as Buprenorphine which can only be prescribed. So you would have to go to a doctor that can prescribe that medication. 
 
    There are also a few Chinese Herbs that are said to help as well as acupuncture.
 
    It is best to gradually decrease dosage to get off these medications and best not to be taken at all unless needed.
 
    Fibrodude

Post Edited (Hello all..) : 1/8/2008 3:17:36 PM (GMT-7)


erin.K
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   Posted 1/8/2008 1:00 PM (GMT -7)   
hey that was great dude! couldn't have been stated better. are you a detox nurse if i may ask?
very helpful thank you!
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   Posted 1/9/2008 10:11 AM (GMT -7)   
When you take Dialauded, is it a pill or you have to inject it? I am confused. Thanks.

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   Posted 1/9/2008 3:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Xanax works well for short term anxiety or during a withdrawl but if you have chronic anxiety it is best to try paxil, welbutrin or one of the other antidepressents that have been shown to help with chronic anxiety rather than stay on lots of Xanax long term. However, they have withdrawl symptoms too so medical supervision is a good thing.

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   Posted 8/3/2015 3:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi I've been reading these forums for a few days now because I am deadly afraid of going through withdrawal! I have been taking Dilaudid long acting for years now like 8 I guess I've lost track and I'm fed up with being chained to this drug... I'd rather have cronic pain.
So long story short I have been doing a rapid wein down this last week from 5 a day to 4 to 3 to now 2 every 3 days tomorrow I go to 1 a day I through out 80 pills flushed them actually so I have no OUT and I don't want one. But that said I'm still terrified of the withdrawal so many was hoping someone could give me some good hopeful advice every thing I read on here makes the withdrawal sound so terrible and that could be the absolute truth but just some help telling me exactly what I'm in for and how long it's going to last is really what I would like help with
Is there over the counter drugs I should get in the house to help me along maybe??
Well wish me luck I maybe back on here crying in three days

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