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rrkkgg
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   Posted 1/7/2008 4:21 PM (GMT -7)   


Has anyone heard of or tried using "silver colloidal" or  "gold colloidal".
From everything I read on it, silver is a natural antibiotic. It was used for 100's of years back into bible times.


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   Posted 1/7/2008 4:24 PM (GMT -7)   
I believe that colloidal gold used to be used in rheumatoid arthritis, but then studies showed that it didn't work.

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   Posted 1/7/2008 8:37 PM (GMT -7)   
hey rrkkgg, have you seen the story on the guy who turned blue after using a large amount of C-silver? its amazing, and he is not the first one. just the most publicized. try googling the story. like "guy turns blue" etc...
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   Posted 1/7/2008 9:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Exacktly,your skin can turn gray redface
 
Do not try this!!!
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tsitodawg
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   Posted 1/7/2008 10:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Unless you are ready to join the blue man group in Las Vegas, I would stay as far away from this as possible.
I saw the report on this man a few weeks ago on CNN and again on my local news earlier today.  In his interview for the local news, he admits that he is still using it for his R.A.  He looked like he was covered in makeup and almost unreal. 

Post Edited (tsitodawg) : 1/8/2008 3:51:47 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/8/2008 12:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Anything that makes you turn a different color is probably not the greatest idea. It's one of those "probably-too-much-of-a-good-thing" things. Just like eating carrots. Eat enough carrots and your body will be happy, but eat too many and you'll turn orange. That's just not normal.

Everything in moderation!

I tried colloidal silver on a wart because my fiance swore by it. I tried putting that stuff on my wart for a month, but that miracle never happened. Oh well.
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rrkkgg
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   Posted 1/8/2008 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   
From what I read there are 3 types, but 2 are not actual colloidals. Ionic silver, Silver protein and colloidal silver.

Silver protein has silver particles in it that will get under your skin. That is what the blue guy was using. The problem is called argyria. When your skin will turn blue. And that is the only bad side effect that I can find.

The one that is supposed to be most effective is a true colloidal silver. And there are no bad side effects that I can find.

I do not know if I can post a website here. If I can let me know. You can also Google "Silver colloidal reports" and that should bring it up

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   Posted 1/8/2008 8:14 AM (GMT -7)   
I was procrastinating with my writing, so I did a quick search on Medline. Sounds like colloidal silver can have some pretty nasty consequences, including death. For instance, see the following:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

rrkkgg
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   Posted 1/8/2008 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes I read that before to. But that site is a pro medicine site . They have a vested interest in selling their new expensive meds and do not support any natural forms of help.
What they do not tell us in the article is, how much he was taking and exactly what he was taking. A real colloidal silver may not have that effect.
See if this site can explain the differences better and tell me what you think.
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

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   Posted 1/8/2008 8:55 AM (GMT -7)   
The link I gave you was to MEDLINE. It is a database of all articles published in medical journals since 1966 (including articles studying various natural products such as fish oil, etc.). MEDLINE does not make profits from selling any medications. It does not sell treatments, it is simply a reference source.

The reason for the lack of details in the link I posted is that MEDLINE only includes abstracts. You have to take the bibliographical information in the abstract to a medical library to look up the original article, which will give you the details such as the quantity taken, etc.

That site that you have provided is a company that has a vested interest in selling colloidal silver. Therefore the information it provides is not unbiased. For another view about the potential of colloidal silver, see the following:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

rrkkgg
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   Posted 1/8/2008 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Writer, That was a good article on Quackwatch. Can I turn your bulldog loose on one more? :) Gold colloidal, I have found nothing negative about it yet. And if the translation of the bible is correct, gold was used in Manna some kind of bread item. I think it is mentioned around Moses time. It is one of the ways they survived after the exodus. But thats off the subject. What do you know about the negatives of gold colloidal.

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   Posted 1/8/2008 9:52 AM (GMT -7)   

http://www.healthbolt.net/2007/12/24/blue-man-exposed/

 
here is a link of the blue guy, his condition is permanent.
 
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Also have Arthritis, and feel like I am falling apart sometimes...

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ozonehole
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   Posted 1/8/2008 11:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Wikipedia does have a page on colloidal gold:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_gold

Neither gold nor silver are inert elements, thus there is potential danger that it will combine with something else, with unpredictable consequences. Gold is probably less dangerous than colloidal silver because gold doesn't oxidize. Silver does, for example, silver nitrate (AgNO3). Gold forms other compounds such as gold chloride (AuCl3) and gold salts (NaAuCl4). But overall gold is relatively safe inside the body which is why it can be used as fillings or crowns on the teeth.

Still, the amount of gold that winds up in your blood stream from fillings/crowns is minuscule compared to drinking gold compounds. I have much doubt though that gold is genuinely useful as a medical treatment. And it certainly wouldn't be cheap, given the high price of gold (about 50 times more expensive than silver). I'd be nervous drinking colloidal gold as a medical treatment.

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   Posted 1/8/2008 11:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm sorry, I don't know a good comprehensive source on colloidal gold. Like I said, gold salts have been used in rheumatoid arthritis, and I think occasionally are still used for that purpose, but they can have some toxic side effects, so it's a question of whether the benefit exceeds the risk. Generally speaking, I would be wary of most remedies involving metals because they can often be toxic in human beings if ingested in any quantity. Certainly some medals have had medical uses for centuries. For instance, mercury used to be a standard treatment for syphilis. But it also caused some major side effects, so we are lucky today that people who contract syphilis can take antibiotics instead.
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