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teddybearweiser
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   Posted 1/29/2008 4:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Everyone, Whom is doing the Makers Diet Please go into this website its www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35127.asp. I did a google on the Makers Diet. This guy is a con artist. He wrote another book and the FDA had it pulled off the shelve's.
 
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EMom
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   Posted 1/29/2008 6:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes, that's been posted here before. Strange, I just went to Amazon and Barnes and Noble online and they both have the book available. Maybe it was pulled for a while? Who knows...

The FDA has been after makers of supplements for decades now. Personally, I wish they'd leave supplements alone and focus on regulating more dangerous prescription drugs and claims they are able to make, but that's just me. That said, I don't want to see a litany of cure-alls on my vitamin or omega 3 bottles, so they do serve a purpose. Remember snake oil salesmen of the 1800s?

Yes, Jordan Rubin should have known and been ultra cautious about making claims on his supplements. (He and his company had to pay $225,000 in consumer redress as part of an FTC settlement in 2006) Yes, he was (if we can believe these articles) reprimanded for making unsubstantiated claims in his books. Yes, his credentials come from other countries, but that doesn't bother me either. I have a friend whose son is currently in some South American country studying/training to become a pediatric oncologist. Although an excellent student, he didn’t pass the exam to make it into med school here in the US. He plans to return to the US to practice and he will make an amazing doctor--he personally lived through leukemia as a teen and has a wonderful, caring personality. I think it's great he is pursuing his dream regardless of where he has to obtain credentials.

I guess what I'm saying is that none of this changes my mind about the value of what the book has to say or the value of supplements. It IS good to be fully informed, though! :-)
EMom
Mother to 15 year old boy diagnosed in June, 2007.
Currently taking Asacol, omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, calcium w/D3 and a good multivitamin.
Started The Maker's Diet in early September.


stkitt
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   Posted 1/29/2008 10:29 AM (GMT -7)   

Help me out here, is Jordan Rubin the author of the original Maker's Diet Book?  I looked at Amazon last week and was confused as to what was the book that really has the nitty gritty about the Maker's Diet so I did not choose any?
Thanks, I am new to this diet and still reading.

Kitt


 
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CrazyHarry
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   Posted 1/29/2008 10:45 AM (GMT -7)   
thanks for the post. always interesting to see other people's POV of things. but i must say, that was the worst job of trying to blow some one out of the water, especially with the claims made in the article - imho not one was adequately defended. this person obviously didnt do much, if any research, on this and only took the superficial claims about him that have been around for a long long time.

his degrees are legit, even if the schools may be a bit shady. he went to that place cos at the time it was the only naturopath school that was biblically based. schools come and go in their prestige - MIT is not the engineering powerhouse it once was, and not all schools are going to be the best but what matters to business in the real world is that you have a degree from some where cos that allows you to prove yourself. so by attacking his school they indirectly went after him. i dont see how the school he went to reflects on his character or integrity but maybe i am just a bit weird...

if coconut oil is so bad, then why is pretty much the entire natural health industry pushing it? and you know they were doing this before jordan rubin was on the market.

rubin believes strongly in the role hso's played in his recovery. i am not so sure in mine - i attribute more to the diet itself. i believe he is correct about our food having more residual beneficial microbes on it back in the day. did that aid us back then? who knows for sure. yes, some cultures today actually eat dirt (clay) for the minerals. this has been a long established practice. shoot, clay is an ingredient in mcdonalds french fries, so think about that.

patient heal thyself is on the book shelves. i know it cos i see it regularly in book stores and i own a copy (which i bought at a book store) and was how i was introduced to him in 2006.

so what did he do that was underhanded or can be thought of as deceiving? the article didnt have the balls to go into detail. didnt even discuss his supplement company. just called him a bunch of names. really childish. emom did a better job that this thing did. seemed like a quick smear campaign imho from a competitor. if this article has you turned off in any way to the maker's diet i suggest you research these claims further yourself to see if there is any real truth to them and to what degree. i think another good thing is to talk to people who have done the diet. results from people who have done it and without meds/prescriptions imho is some sort of proof that there is something to it.

if i wrote this article for school, i know i'd get an F cos i make claims without backing anything up. that is what upsets me the most about this - if you're gonna bash something or someone back it up. dont provide superficial glass house claims and no research. it makes you sound vindictive and your argument hollow and you having an agenda.

that is my 2 cents and perhaps a little change...
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 1/29/2008 10:52 AM (GMT -7)   
kitt - yes jordan rubin is the author of the maker's diet book. he does introduce the beginnings of it in patient heal thyself, but if you want to do it the maker's diet book is the one to get.


btw, in my last email i apologize to all if i come off as a die hard rubin fan, sworn to defend him at every turn. yes his diet and products have helped me, but hey, if he's really up to no good then i'll be in line with everyone else and start a class action lawsuit. until i can be shown otherwise, i'll have to go with what i've read in his books, what his diet has done for me, and what i've learned of him through my personal experience with him as my guide as to his character and intention.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


Kal
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   Posted 1/29/2008 12:29 PM (GMT -7)   
supplements can have dangers too. I've heard stories of friend's of mine having overdoses of vitamins etc. Now it comes to common sense of course. But i wouldn't be apposed to a regulartory body screening vitamins and supplements. You'd be surprised what some companies put in their supplements... I saw this test once of a few major brands that had cold-tar in them... Personally i shop for vitamins in the organic section of my grocery store... just in case.
Kal - 24yr female
Jan 2008 diagnosed with hiatal hernia, and Crohn's
Meds: B12 Injection, Iron supplement, pantaloc (for hernia)


bektold
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   Posted 1/29/2008 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   
With no regulation, we have to trust that what's on the label is in the bottle.  It's not uncommon for testing to show that suppliments are either more or less potent that what they should be, which could make them either useless or dangerous.  Of course, this can be true for pharmaseudicals, too.  Anyone remember the story a couple months ago about fake drugs from China being sold in drugstores in the US?  At least with that, the FDA is attempting to control the situation.  The suppliment market is still a playground for the snake oil salesmen.

stkitt
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   Posted 1/29/2008 5:06 PM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Harry, nice to have someone answer me :)

Fake drugs from China being sold in drugstores in the US, I did not read the article but I would guess that the drugs were brought in and being sold illegally.

Kitt


upt0106
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   Posted 1/29/2008 5:19 PM (GMT -7)   
I decided to do the makers diet knowing full well that Rubin's credentials are questionable. I've read the book, and I don't really buy a lot of his reasoning...the whole eat like the people of the old testament did thing is kinda whacky to me, also I don't like how he comes off saying that he just "had" to create a company to sell these nutrients and supplements....
even with all of that, I have heard good reports form some folks, and I think what I like in general is that it pretty much outlines a healthy way of eating. I certainly don't think any harm can come from following his diet suggestions. I use it as a way for me to stay away from stuff that I shouldn't eat regardless of my diet...(processed and sugary stuff) so, in a nutshell, I didn't start the diet because I think Rubin is super smart or anything like that, but rather because I think he's outlined a plan for healthy eating...which can't be a bad thing...
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-Male, age 31
-Diagnosed with Crohn's 2002 - 5 surgeries for peri-rectal abscess in 2002-2003
-Started Makers Diet 26 Jan 08
-currently on prednisone taper after landing myself in the ER with a partial obstruction


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 1/29/2008 11:40 PM (GMT -7)   
from my understanding of talking with him, some of his coworkers/friends (yes he employs his friends, one of which he's known since high school), and reading his books, he started his supplement company cos every one wanted to get their hands on the hso's he talked about that he believed were instrumental in his recovery. so garden of life started with primal defense. he moved into other supplements cos upon his investigation into supplements, they didnt meet his criteria and standard of quality and/or ingredients. so he started to make other supplements, ones he wanted to take and really does take, with ingredients he wanted in a supplement and at a high quality. his stuff is expensive, but one cant link that outright to quality. if you do examine the ingredients though he does use solid stuff and stays as true as he can to making his food stuffs maker's diet legal and actually making a quality product. i trust his stuff, however i dont use all his products nor do i use them exclusively. are there just as good stuff out there? you bet ya. are there better? i would have to think so. the problem with the market so flooded that it is hard to find the good stuff. so you better do your research and know your ingredients and what to expect from a product and do your own test trials to find what works for you.


btw, it is CRAZY HARRY. please do not treat that as an adjective in front of the proper noun. geesh.... tongue
Crazy Harry

---------------------------------------------
Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07

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