anyone take melatonin?

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gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 1:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm curious about taking it ON OCCASION, rather than as a regular supplement. I've done some reading and it says it can boost the immune system, which I obviously don't want, but is that a one dose issue or an issue for someone who uses it prolonged, as a supplement to their diet.

I'm tapering off Effexor, and one of the withdrawals is some weird sleep cycles, and I was wondering if I could use some melatonin to just sort of reboot the sleep cycles rather than pestering doc for ambien or something else.
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Redjeep
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   Posted 5/4/2008 1:31 PM (GMT -7)   
I've never heard of the stuff. So i don't know? What's Effexor and how did it effect you'r sleeping? Retraining is the only way I have ever gotten my sleep back. What's the problem with ambien? I was using without feeling any type of guilt. But I read some post about low back pain associated with it.

rj

gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 3:06 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm just getting tired of pestering doc for meds -- no presonal issues with ambien.

Effexor is an anti-depressant/anti-anxiety, and it's the worst one to stop taking from what I've read. I've tapered off p/ doc's orders, but still, the first day without a pill was a pretty wild ride. It's been better since, but the most prevalent side from going off it is that I sleep four to six hours at a time, and wake up totally ready to go. Which is not so bad in itself, but I fall asleep at odd times, too. I'll doze off at midnight, then be up at four or five for a few hours. Doze off, up all night, and actually hit a hyper phase in there somewhere. It's kinda weird, and it isn't going to be compatible with the rest of life pretty soon.

Retraining has never worked for me. Whenever I've had insomnia or trouble with sleep patterns, it takes a pretty major (usually chemical) reboot in order to get things back to where they oughtta be. I've tried all the suggestions that go with retraining and counseling and all that, and I don't know what my issue is. Similarly, I think, I have problems with meditation and hypnosis -- brain just won't shut up simply on the basis that I tell it to.

Melatonin is a supplement that...crap, can't find my notes...has something to do with serotonin, which regulates circadian rhythm. (Correct me here guys!) The problem I've read is that it can also boost the immune system, which can aggravate IBD, since the problems we have are from an overactive immune system. God knows I don't wanna start anything like that! It's also supposed to be helpful for anxiety, and I've been researching natural anxiety remedies for the better part of the afternoon now. I think my brain is at saturation point.

Thanks, and hope that helps.
"Let me light my lamp,"
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dunny2
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   Posted 5/4/2008 3:20 PM (GMT -7)   
I tried it years ago, I can't really say I noticed any big difference. I know long haul travelers used it to
help with jet lag..

Have you tried an OTC sleep aid? I find that Unisom works quite well for me, with no ill effects.....
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with pancreatitis

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Redjeep
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   Posted 5/4/2008 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
It did and I think I understand problem. Is it like you'r mind is racing. You can't stop thinking?? I'm like that.

Why go off the Effexor?? Could you try anxiety controling meds. My PC is trying to talk me into clodepin[sp] I'm riding the fence on it. I'm having anxiety over taking anxiety controling drug. I have not made up my mind yet?

I used to take remeron[sp] for depression and sleep. That stuff knocks me out at night.

rj

gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
dunny: most of the OTC sleep aids just have the same active ingredient as Benadryl, which either does NOTHING for me, or puts me on my butt for a day; none of that is going to help with sleep patterns, per se. I'll look up Unisom -- I can't remember if that's dyphenhydramine or one of the succinate ones. It's a question of getting to sleep and staying asleep, restfully.

Redjeep: I was on Celexa (generic) for about 2.5/3 years, and it was getting to the point where it simply wasn't doing the job anymore. I lucked out -- that's a fairly long run on a single med without having it become totally ineffective. So, we tried the Effexor. I tried to be a good girl and be patient. But at 150 mgs, the sides were just scary (heart palps, blood pressure issues, etc), so we lowered it to 112 and change (one big pill, one small one, from the samples). That was okay for a while, but still a little much. If I did too much, the palpitations and blood pressure things came back. I certainly can't avoid cleaning my apartment, so we went down to 75 for a little bit. It just got to the point where doc looked at me and said "you aren't doing back flips over this one, are you?" I said no, and we agreed that it was way to expensive to not be getting a much more happy, positive response from it, and to discontinue. He helped me figure out how to taper down, and everything was good until the first night I didn't take any pill at all -- wow, what a ride! It's been easier since then, and I'm still alternating between no pill/37.5 mgs the next couple days.

I have clonopin for panic attacks, but nothing for regular daily prevention. LOL -- anxiety over taking an anxiety drug -- been there! I kinda miss my xanax sometimes. The clonopin works different, and I like it, too. The way teh doc described it, it doesn't work as quickly as xanax, but it works longer, which is cool. But sometimes, I need to see the cartoon thermometer drop on my panic, which is something I got from the xanax (alprazolam). So, we're having discussions, somewhat. I don't have insurance at the moment, so it's a little tricky to dodge the desk dragon who's patented response to everything is to make an appointment.

I also have amitriptyline (Elavil) that was initially for sleep, but this time of year, I take it nightly to prevent migraines (works wonderful for that!). it works really well for sleep too, but when I take it every day like this, it starts to lose it's effectiveness with the sleep thing.

I've taken Remeron (Rozerem) and ho-lee crap! I do need to be functional sometimes! I don't know how folks use that regularly!

So...that's pretty much the full situation, more or less. I'm trying to take a more wholistic (that's not a typo -- I made up a word) to the whole anxiety thing, kinda like I did with Crohn's. There's something to be said for better living through chemistry, but focusing on just the symptoms isn't a way to get to the root of the problem. So I'm keeping a journal (partly to help me keep track of when and when not to take the darn effexor as I taper!), I'm trying tai chi, I'm looking at getting into ballet classes again, things like that. I want to address anxiety/panic as a whole body issue rather than just squash the symptoms with meds. I know I have issues, and I have problems with counselors/psychologists, so I'm trying to find a way to do this myself (with Kerry at my side, of course).
"Let me light my lamp,"
Says the star,
"And never debate
If it will help to remove the darkness."
-- Indian poet, Rabindranath Tagore


dunny2
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   Posted 5/4/2008 5:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Have you tried the straight forward Ativan. You could take that as an occasional sedative for sleep. I know it means
seeing your doc, but I really like it's calming effect. It also works for my son, who suffer with panic disorders.

The unisom I take is the succinate one, if I take the other kind I get the jitters. I do feel for you. Sleep is not very
forthcoming for me either, even though I get sooooo tired.... I wish you luck!

BTW, I was on effexor also, I hated it....
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with pancreatitis

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts


gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I was going to ask teh doc about ativan or lorazepam. You know, I've had my head buried in this stuff all day, and I can't come up with the brand names to the generics? I think I'm gonna lose my mind, seriously.
"Let me light my lamp,"
Says the star,
"And never debate
If it will help to remove the darkness."
-- Indian poet, Rabindranath Tagore


Redjeep
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   Posted 5/4/2008 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Ativan is huge. You have to be very careful with that drug.

How many crohn's patients do you think have these same anxiety problems? Is the anxiety kicking the disease into gear? Controling you'r anxiety will control this disease?

rj

gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 5:32 PM (GMT -7)   
that was how my doc first got me to quit fighting the pills: if we can keep my anxiety/stress/panic under control, we can keep the gut under control, since my stress/anxiety level seems to be strongly linked to gut activity.

A lot of docs will tell you you're full of crap for that theory, but I know what I have to live with.

Xanax has the same problem as ativan -- you have to be pretty careful with it. That's part of why I dont' wanna pester doc for it -- I don't wanna come off like I'm just after pills/quick fix.
"Let me light my lamp,"
Says the star,
"And never debate
If it will help to remove the darkness."
-- Indian poet, Rabindranath Tagore


dunny2
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   Posted 5/4/2008 6:02 PM (GMT -7)   
That is the reason I was prescribed Ativan (lorazepam). It does keep the stress levels down. I'm a born worrier
so my doctor was quite insistent...
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with pancreatitis

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts


gardenlady
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   Posted 5/4/2008 7:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Same here -- I got hit with a double whammy! On both sides of my family the women, in particular, tend to be worriers. I guess I'll talk to the doc about that one after all. There was another med, related to amitriptyline (again, the name is escaping me at the moment), that was supposed to be good, but both of those are tricyclic antidepressants. I don't know enough about it to know whether or not that makes them trickier or not, but I do know that amitriptyline says its rx'ed for neuropathy and pain control in some instances, as well...I think I read that the tricyclics have a lower threshold for toxicity.

There's gotta be some answers out there! This is so maddening...especially now that I know life doesn't have to be like this! I'll probably go through the tai chi video tonight again -- Kerry and I both enjoyed that the other night. In light of that, I may have to run to the store -- a light dinner may be in order. Last night I did this baked Zitti mock-up with pasta shells and stuff, that was really good, but SO filling. We couldn't move when we were done.

So, I'm throwing some exercise into the regimen, which probably is a good idea anyhow. Diet is pretty much doing well, anyway. I need to do more research on some alternative supplements etc, and talk to doc about how to work that with some "better living through chemistry." It's a tactic that has served me well with Crohn's -- approaching the condition as a whole body kind of thing, and taking what I can from multiple health disciplines. From what I've read, the melatonin isn't something I should try to incorporate as a long term thing, but might be useful on occasion. I suppose if I get it and it doesn't work I can give it to someone else. I hate to waste the money though....
"Let me light my lamp,"
Says the star,
"And never debate
If it will help to remove the darkness."
-- Indian poet, Rabindranath Tagore


MishBall2
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   Posted 5/6/2008 9:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I used Melatonin.   It did not aversly affect my Crohns.  I read somewhere that it can actually HELP crohn's patients, but you should not take it if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant.   It worked really well for me.  I only needed to take 1/2.    Once I spit out a couple of kids, I will probably make it a routine, as I am generally an insomniac. 
 
P.S. It makes your dreams especially vivid--which can be good or bad, depending on the dream.   I would recommend trying 1/2 first and see how it does.  
33 years old. Diagnosed in 2002ish. 
Taking Asacol, Lomotil TID, and on Remicade since 2004. 
Lower Bowel area only, except for the short stint (about 2 weeks) that I had mouth sores.  Also have external/anal fistula and anal/vaginal fistula. 
 


dunny2
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   Posted 5/6/2008 9:58 AM (GMT -7)   
I think you might be thinking about Nortrpityline,, the gastro doc gave me that some time ago. But it altered my mood
badly, in fact it was my husband who asked the doc to take me off them. He said it made me really grumpy. Plus the
sleep effect from it is short lived.

I've been taking Ativan for several years now, and it still helps. I've never had the need to alter the dosing either....
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with pancreatitis

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts


FitzyK23
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   Posted 5/6/2008 3:28 PM (GMT -7)   
When I worked corrections a lot of the kids had trouble sleeping when they first got there (for obvious reasons). The nurse gave out melatonin and I didn't see any side effects in the kids. Some were also given benadryl but you said that doesn't help you. They also had a natural supplement called Triptaphan or something. It is whatever is in turkey that makes you sleepy. My husbands parents dog takes it for fear of thunder storms. Also, rescue remedy that makes herbal anti-anxiety makes an herbal sleep aid as well. Hope you find something that works for you. Nyquil knocks me out but I think it is the alcohol content. If your guts and meds can handle it maybe a night cap before bed lol? Maybe if you took something like that to get one good night sleep you would be on the right schedule again? Good luck!
26 Year old married female law student.  Diagnosed w/ CD 3 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD.  I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid.  For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn.  I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13.  I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium.  Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night.  I alos take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.
 
 


gardenlady
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   Posted 5/12/2008 2:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, I decided to try it and it has worked how i wanted it to -- doesn't knock me out, but helps me stay asleep once I get there. Thanks for everything folks! Great advice!

Gonna take my dose and get some sleep for a busy day tomorrow!
"Let me light my lamp,"
Says the star,
"And never debate
If it will help to remove the darkness."
-- Indian poet, Rabindranath Tagore

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