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FitzyK23
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   Posted 5/22/2008 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
So someone sent me this link that lists all the nasty crap that are in the vaccines we got as a kid. I am not saying that vaccines are bad or that we should all stop getting them. But I was unaware of all the nasty crap in them.

Here is the link
 
 
Apparently, some contain human cells from aborted fetal tissue. I am by no way trying to start any pro-life/pro-choice debate. I was just curious... if they are already using aborted fetus cells in vaccines than why the debate over stem cells? Personaly, if it is true, I am surprised that so many people are willing to get the vaccines and not object on religous grounds.

Anyone know if it is true?

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   Posted 5/22/2008 4:56 PM (GMT -7)   
humm not all those are made in the states?
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   Posted 5/22/2008 5:15 PM (GMT -7)   
It is true--sort of. The vaccines are manufactured using a cell line that was derived from human fetal tissue.
 
Normally cells from tissue (that is, NOT stem cells) do not multiply, or they might multiply a limited number of times, then they die. A while back a scientist took tissue from a fetus and transformed the cells so that they continue to multiply and make new cells--forever. That is a cell line. Scientists refer to them as being "immortal"...the cells keep on copying themselves forever as long as you keep feeding them.
 
The pharma companies buy the cell line, insert the genetic material to make the vaccine, then produce the vaccines in those cells, break the cells open and purify the vaccine out of the mixture. It is not the same thing as using a fetus.
 
BTW this is the same way they make Humira and Remicade--in a mammalian cell line.


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   Posted 5/22/2008 5:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Suprises me that the TB BCG one isn't licensed in US like it is in uk, I must say.

In the UK it's a routine school-leaver's jab and was even when ,my mum was at school. It's pretty much law to have it, unless a test comes back too say you're already immune too TB. Painful jab too, and scars you for life! It suprises me they still have it in uk though, due too all side effects worse than other vaccines.

It's interesting too see what in these jabs, don't think it will ever deter me from having them though.
The chicken cells bit, suddenly makes sense. IT always seemed odd to me, why they ask if you're allergic too eggs before you have flu jab. Makes perfect sense now though.:)

Also, if they are using chicken and monkey cells, they may aswell use the leftovers from abortions. Whether abortions are right or wrong, the thing is, they have been aborted and have no chance of survival once taken from mother anyway. Makes sense too use them.
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FitzyK23
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   Posted 5/22/2008 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   
My thoughts exactly Darkies.

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   Posted 5/22/2008 9:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Darkies--We don't get the TB vaccine in the US for a few reasons. One is the government doesn't think it's effective enough. Also, the risk of getting TB is low here. And the skin test doctors here use to check for TB can't tell the difference between actually having TB or being vaccinated against it. So the gov't decided using the skin test to monitor us and treat with antibiotics when (rarely) necessary was a better strategy than to vaccinate everyone.

The flu virus used to make the vaccine is grown in chicken eggs. Which is why they ask about the allergy.


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   Posted 5/23/2008 5:22 AM (GMT -7)   

regarding the TB vaccine, this is from a website about why it's not given in the states:

However, BCG is not generally recommended for use in the United States because of the low risk of infection with Mycobacterium tuberculosis, the variable effectiveness of the vaccine against adult pulmonary TB, and the vaccine’s potential interference with tuberculin skin test reactivity.

why did I find this?  because I was reading about Crohn's in someone who might have developed it after having this vaccine.

Other nasty things they put in vaccines:  mercury (to keep it from spoiling, but have tapered off), aluminum (still, under the false impression that this boosts the immune system).
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